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by Fordorsia » Mon May 27, 2019 4:47 pm
San-Silvacian wrote:Forgot to take off my Rhodie shorts when I went to sleep.
Woke up in bitches and enemy combatants.
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by Manokan Republic » Wed May 29, 2019 9:46 pm
Sevvania wrote:Manokan Republic wrote:The Spartans were great at what they did, but could have used bows and arrows and cavalry to make themselves more effective, and they just didn't.
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by Manokan Republic » Wed May 29, 2019 9:56 pm
Austrasien wrote:Manokan Republic wrote:The problem with these conversations is that it always devolves in to the more fundamental question of "why didn't they do X?".
It isn't complicated.
The head, neck, thorax and abdomen are the site of 90% of fatal wounds. The face and neck are generally left uncovered or only partially covered because closed helms and gorgets are both extremely unergonomic and reduce situational awareness. The head alone is the site of about 40% of fatal wounds - for soldiers in the first world war whose standard reaction to shellfire was to duck in a hole even the torso was usually protected by the earth so it is no wonder they usually discarded the cuirasses that occasionally ended up on the front.
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by Miklania » Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:14 pm
Manokan Republic wrote:Austrasien wrote:
It isn't complicated.
The head, neck, thorax and abdomen are the site of 90% of fatal wounds. The face and neck are generally left uncovered or only partially covered because closed helms and gorgets are both extremely unergonomic and reduce situational awareness. The head alone is the site of about 40% of fatal wounds - for soldiers in the first world war whose standard reaction to shellfire was to duck in a hole even the torso was usually protected by the earth so it is no wonder they usually discarded the cuirasses that occasionally ended up on the front.
The All or nothing approach is basically my argument for why they didn't go with armoring all their men. Full body armor would be difficult to make and expensive, so it made more sense when trying to mass produce as many infantry as you possibly could to issue cheap rifles and body armor, as opposed to making every one of them fully armored. When only the torso or head was covered, it left other parts of the body unprotected, and so partial body armor wasn't really all that effective. The way to fix this would be obviously, to armor the entire body, but that requires more money and resources, as well as a better design.
There are helmets that can be ergonomic and allow for situational awareness, even when covering the face. The closer armor is to the face, the smaller the slit for the eye can be to be able to see out of. Some helmets can be uncomfortable, while other are more comfortable. I've rarely had trouble breathing or seeing out of a motorcycle helmet for example, while paintball masks have been obnoxious. However, you see soldiers were Balacalvas all the time, and Balacalvas actually do inhibit breathing a lot. And yet, they still wear them. You see soldiers wearing gas masks, even though it inhibits breathing and is extremely unergonomic. You see all kinds of things that aren't ergonomic being worn in combat, even regularly in the modern day, and it doesn't prevent it's use. So the question is a matter of trade-off; if you are going to wear a gas mask anyways, it might as well be armored for example. You can design something that is more ergonomic and easy to adjust to, as in it isn't inherent, but even then this doesn't completely prohibit it's use. People are overestimating small issues and acting like it would be to defy gravity or something to wear something slightly uncomfortable. In general, it is not.
Fatal wounds are not the only problem, as injuries prevent soldiers from continuing to operate and tie up medical resources. Hence it's good to protect from even minor injuries. A good example is protection from punji spikes or barbwire, disease and so on and so forth. Shrapnel in this case was the primary cause of injury, and being protected from that, for the most part, would be pretty useful. As only about 3-4% of deaths were due to blast injuries, or injuries so close to the explosive that soldier's died from the shock wave itself, and roughly 75% were due to shrapnel, it's safe to assume most were far enough away from the blast to be protected even by relatively thin armor. Shrapnel is far less likely to penetrate armor at even moderately long ranges, as the shrapnel has lost a large amount of it's energy by then, generally not being very aerodynamic.
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San-Silvacian wrote:Forgot to take off my Rhodie shorts when I went to sleep.
Woke up in bitches and enemy combatants.
Crookfur wrote:Speak for yourself, Crookfur infantry enjoy the sheer uber high speed low drag operator nature of their tactical woad
Spreewerke wrote:One of our employees ate a raw kidney and a raw liver and the only powers he gained was the ability to summon a massive hospital bill.
Premislyd wrote:This is probably the best thing somebody has ever spammed.
Puzikas wrote:That joke was so dark it has to smile to be seen at night.
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