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Postby Port Caverton » Thu Dec 01, 2022 2:34 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Hispida wrote:kanye it isn't funny anymore


It was funny to begin with?

No.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Thu Dec 01, 2022 2:36 pm

Port Caverton wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
It was funny to begin with?

No.


I know. What Kanye is saying and has said is disgusting
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Postby Mountains and Volcanoes » Thu Dec 01, 2022 2:37 pm

New Georgia and the North Pacific wrote:This is like that moment when you search up Gregg, the nicest, coolest kid from high school on Facebook and you see ANTI-VAXX, PRO-MAGA, ANTI IMMIGRANT, PRO LIFE, ANTI COMMUNIST, ANTI CRT, NO CAPITOL RIOT, LOCK HILARY UP, TRUMP 2024, HE WON THE ELECTION, VACCINES=AUTISM, PROUD BOYS, PROUD TRUMPER, HANG PELOSI.
Then you think “that’s a shame, he’s a nazi now.”

Same happened with Kanye.
Speaking of crazy! (I know bad source)
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Postby New Georgia and the North Pacific » Thu Dec 01, 2022 2:40 pm

Mountains and Volcanoes wrote:
New Georgia and the North Pacific wrote:This is like that moment when you search up Gregg, the nicest, coolest kid from high school on Facebook and you see ANTI-VAXX, PRO-MAGA, ANTI IMMIGRANT, PRO LIFE, ANTI COMMUNIST, ANTI CRT, NO CAPITOL RIOT, LOCK HILARY UP, TRUMP 2024, HE WON THE ELECTION, VACCINES=AUTISM, PROUD BOYS, PROUD TRUMPER, HANG PELOSI.
Then you think “that’s a shame, he’s a nazi now.”

Same happened with Kanye.
Speaking of crazy! (I know bad source)

And that is the type of person who I’d support re-education (china-style) for.
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Postby Uiiop » Thu Dec 01, 2022 2:41 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Hispida wrote:kanye it isn't funny anymore


It was funny to begin with?

Not all this, no. But even Kanye's antics and asshorely were a whole different world from this.
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Postby Drongonia » Thu Dec 01, 2022 2:42 pm

New Georgia and the North Pacific wrote:
Mountains and Volcanoes wrote:Speaking of crazy! (I know bad source)

And that is the type of person who I’d support re-education (china-style) for.

What are you going to teach her?

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Postby New Georgia and the North Pacific » Thu Dec 01, 2022 2:43 pm

Uiiop wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
It was funny to begin with?

Not all this, no. But even Kanye's antics and asshorely were a whole different world from this.

As I say, not a good sign when you weird out Alex Jones, Kim Kardashian, and even Donald Drumpf to an extent.
I feel sorry for him, he clearly isn’t alright, possibly bi-polar. But that isn’t an excuse.
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Postby Denoidumbutoniurucwivobrs » Thu Dec 01, 2022 2:44 pm

It is unironically tragic what's going on with Ye. It's clear his mental state is extremely poor and he's acting in manic ways that make him believe in all sorts of nonsense.

I hope he gets the help he needs soon. :(
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Postby New Georgia and the North Pacific » Thu Dec 01, 2022 2:44 pm

Drongonia wrote:
New Georgia and the North Pacific wrote:And that is the type of person who I’d support re-education (china-style) for.

What are you going to teach her?

Read (china-style). she it’s never leaving.
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According to viewtopic.php?f=23&t=363018 somewhere around 5-7, because civilian tech is hyper-advanced, military, not so much. About 4.8 if we include project Hercules, which created superhumans.

Population: 35 billion (cuz moon colony cool)

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Postby HISPIDA » Thu Dec 01, 2022 2:45 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Hispida wrote:kanye it isn't funny anymore


It was funny to begin with?

ye used to be silly and interrupt award shows not

*motions toward ye's recent wikipedia edits*

this
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Thu Dec 01, 2022 2:46 pm

Hispida wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
It was funny to begin with?

ye used to be silly and interrupt award shows not

*motions toward ye's recent wikipedia edits*

this


Wait he edited Wikipedia?
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Thu Dec 01, 2022 2:54 pm

With Senate Vote, Congress Moves to Avert Rail Strike (The New York Times)
Bipartisan coalitions in the House and Senate pushed through a bill that would impose an agreement between rail companies and their workers.
WASHINGTON — The Senate on Thursday voted overwhelmingly to impose a labor agreement between rail companies and their workers who have been locked in a stubborn stalemate, moving with uncommon speed to avert a potential holiday season rail strike that would jeopardize shipping across the country.

Passage of the measure cleared it to be signed by President Biden, who just days ago made a personal appeal for Congress to act to impose a labor agreement his administration helped negotiate earlier this year, but which had failed to resolve the dispute. He was expected to sign it quickly, racing to stave off any economic fallout that could come from a work stoppage in the coming days.

It was the first time since the 1990s that Congress has used its power under the Constitution’s commerce clause, which allows it to regulate interstate commerce, to intervene in a national rail labor dispute.

The action came a day after the House overwhelmingly approved the measure, which would force the companies and their workers to abide by the tentative agreement reached in September. It would include a 24-percent increase in wages over five years, more schedule flexibility and one additional paid day off. Several rail unions had rejected it because it lacked paid leave time.

Senate Democrats, under pressure from progressives to insist on the additional compensated time off for workers, tried and failed to push through a House-passed measure to add seven days of paid medical leave to the agreement. It was defeated 52-43, failing to secure the necessary 60 votes needed to pass.

And Republicans failed to win adoption of their proposal to extend the Dec. 9 negotiation deadline by 60 days, to provide a cooling-off period and avoid congressional intervention in the dispute. It failed on a vote of 70-25.

Ultimately, a broad bipartisan group set aside reservations about inserting Congress into the labor dispute and backed the agreement that the Biden administration negotiated. The vote was 80-15, with Senator Rand Paul, Republican of Kentucky, voting “present.”

The moment was a remarkable outcome for Mr. Biden, who had vowed to be the most pro-union president in the nation’s history and had championed the negotiations that led to the tentative agreement. He did so under the Railway Labor Act, a 1926 law that allows the president to intervene in rail labor disputes that threaten to cut off essential commerce or transportation service.

But while the resulting deal provided higher pay and more schedule flexibility, multiple unions voted against its ratification in recent weeks because it failed to include paid sick leave, and would force workers to take unpaid time off to attend medical appointments. Many employees argued it did not go far enough to address the toll of their difficult and unpredictable schedules.

With a railway strike possible in the coming days, Mr. Biden turned to Congress to intervene. He stressed his reluctance to override the will of union workers seeking basic workplace rights, but said it was necessary to address the threat of economic calamity that could be caused by a disruption to the nation’s rail system and an inability to swiftly transport goods and services across the country.

At a news conference at the White House on Thursday, Mr. Biden bristled at a question about why he had not insisted on more paid leave for rail workers in the deal, saying that he had “negotiated a contract no one else can negotiate.” He said he would continue to fight for paid leave for all Americans.

On Capitol Hill, Democrats also said they would have preferred to avoid stepping into the middle of a railroad labor dispute, something Congress has done 18 times in the past century. They groused about being called upon to embrace a deal that went against what workers were demanding. Pressing to overcome those concerns, Mr. Biden dispatched Martin J. Walsh, the labor secretary, and Pete Buttigieg, the transportation secretary, to the Capitol on Thursday to meet with Democratic senators during a private lunch ahead of the votes.

“The consequences of inaction would be severe,” said Senator Chuck Schumer, Democrat of New York and the majority leader. He ticked through a list of what he described as the “serious problems that would occur if there’s a rail shutdown.”

Republicans, too, griped about the position they had been placed in, questioning why Mr. Biden had not allowed for a few more days to resolve the dispute before involving Congress.

To quell the concerns in both parties and speed the measure through the Senate, leaders agreed to first consider the G.O.P. proposal for a cooling-off period and the House-passed proposal to add the paid leave.

“Less than 36 hours ago, we were asked to decide on issues that are complicated, that are important, without necessary deliberations,” said Senator Dan Sullivan, Republican of Alaska, who sponsored the deadline extension. He said his measure would “give negotiators more time to get to an agreement and it will not make Congress the entity of last resort in these kind of negotiations.”

Other senators, including some Republicans, said the threat of damage to the nation’s economy at a moment when inflation remains high drove their votes to implement the tentative agreement.

“While this position is undesirable, Congress must act,” Senators Cynthia Lummis of Wyoming and Kevin Cramer of North Dakota, both Republicans, wrote in a joint letter to their colleagues. “Implementing an agreement that roughly half of the unionized workers support, along with all their leadership, is the most responsible path forward.”

But Ms. Lummis and Mr. Cramer, like the majority of Republicans, argued against adding the paid leave proposal and said Congress should abide by the terms of the tentative agreement.

“It is in the best interest of all parties that the railroads, not Congress, work through issues such as paid leave directly with their employees,” the two senators wrote.

Liberals, several of whom were frustrated at the push to impose the tentative agreement on workers, argued that the paid leave proposal was a necessary addition championed by union workers.

Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, the independent and chairman of the Budget Committee, had warned he would block expedited consideration of the overall agreement without a vote to add paid leave.

“This is not a radical idea, it’s a very conservative idea,” Mr. Sanders said in a speech on the Senate floor. He added, “I would hope that we would have strong support.”

The proposal drew a majority, but not the supermajority needed for passage.

”With a railway strike possible in the coming days, Mr. Biden turned to Congress to intervene. He stressed his reluctance to override the will of union workers seeking basic workplace rights, but said it was necessary to address the threat of economic calamity that could be caused by a disruption to the nation’s rail system and an inability to swiftly transport goods and services across the country.”
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Dec 01, 2022 3:02 pm

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Ifreann wrote:Found the Nazi.

You don't think that it's tragically hilarious that he says those things, and then finds himself unable to make transactions using his bank card?

Could it be that he’s poor because he’s made bad Financial decisions and all his business partners have run away because he said some really bad things?
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Postby New Georgia and the North Pacific » Thu Dec 01, 2022 3:04 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Kazak Yeli wrote:You don't think that it's tragically hilarious that he says those things, and then finds himself unable to make transactions using his bank card?

Could it be that he’s poor because he’s made bad Financial decisions and all his business partners have run away because he said some really bad things?

Ignore Kazak. He’s a far-right nut job who supports Russia, going on a massive ego-trip and begging for Sordhau’s approval.
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Postby Drongonia » Thu Dec 01, 2022 3:04 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Kazak Yeli wrote:Ye's points have been proven to be right.

His points can be treated with medication.

Today I will medicate those with different viewpoints, this will always be a good thing and will never be used against me.
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Postby Port Caverton » Thu Dec 01, 2022 3:04 pm

Kazak Yeli wrote:
Ifreann wrote:You believe in the fascist conspiracy theory about Jews controlling the banks?

I'm really not sure. I was completely sure that I didn't until Ye was persecuted for voicing his opinion.

How come that all the nazis are the ones supporting Russia?
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Postby New Georgia and the North Pacific » Thu Dec 01, 2022 3:05 pm

Drongonia wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:His points can be treated with medication.

Today I will medicate those with different viewpoints, this will always be a good thing and will never be used against me.
(clueless)

Yes, medication doesn’t cure conservatism. Education does, but medication cures being bi-polar and saying stupid things that lose you all your money.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Dec 01, 2022 3:07 pm

Sordhau wrote:
New Georgia and the North Pacific wrote:I’m an atheist. But I’m surprised that bible didn’t disintegrate anywhere near Alex Jones.


Alex Jones is a performance artist tbh. The way he talks, acts, and what he rants about I'm almost certain he's doing a bit just to make money. I don't think he believes half of the bullshit he actually says. Just another conman is more likely.

He admitted to being such in court. Even he thinks the shit he says is bonkers
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Thu Dec 01, 2022 3:07 pm

Drongonia wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:His points can be treated with medication.

Today I will medicate those with different viewpoints, this will always be a good thing and will never be used against me.
(clueless)

this guy's gonna leap off a building in a delirium and you are going to stand there going "i could not have seen that coming"
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Postby Drongonia » Thu Dec 01, 2022 3:07 pm

New Georgia and the North Pacific wrote:
Drongonia wrote:Today I will medicate those with different viewpoints, this will always be a good thing and will never be used against me.
(clueless)

Yes, medication doesn’t cure conservatism. Education does, but medication cures being bi-polar and saying stupid things that lose you all your money.

Being bipolar doesn't predispose anyone to a certain political viewpoint. Also, he didn't say "Kanye should be medicated to treat his bipolar disorder"

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Drongonia wrote:Today I will medicate those with different viewpoints, this will always be a good thing and will never be used against me.
(clueless)

this guy's gonna leap off a building in a delirium and you are going to stand there going "i could not have seen that coming"

If he was gonna do something that stupid it's likely he'd have done it already.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Dec 01, 2022 3:10 pm

Stellar Colonies wrote:
With Senate Vote, Congress Moves to Avert Rail Strike (The New York Times)
Bipartisan coalitions in the House and Senate pushed through a bill that would impose an agreement between rail companies and their workers.
WASHINGTON — The Senate on Thursday voted overwhelmingly to impose a labor agreement between rail companies and their workers who have been locked in a stubborn stalemate, moving with uncommon speed to avert a potential holiday season rail strike that would jeopardize shipping across the country.

Passage of the measure cleared it to be signed by President Biden, who just days ago made a personal appeal for Congress to act to impose a labor agreement his administration helped negotiate earlier this year, but which had failed to resolve the dispute. He was expected to sign it quickly, racing to stave off any economic fallout that could come from a work stoppage in the coming days.

It was the first time since the 1990s that Congress has used its power under the Constitution’s commerce clause, which allows it to regulate interstate commerce, to intervene in a national rail labor dispute.

The action came a day after the House overwhelmingly approved the measure, which would force the companies and their workers to abide by the tentative agreement reached in September. It would include a 24-percent increase in wages over five years, more schedule flexibility and one additional paid day off. Several rail unions had rejected it because it lacked paid leave time.

Senate Democrats, under pressure from progressives to insist on the additional compensated time off for workers, tried and failed to push through a House-passed measure to add seven days of paid medical leave to the agreement. It was defeated 52-43, failing to secure the necessary 60 votes needed to pass.

And Republicans failed to win adoption of their proposal to extend the Dec. 9 negotiation deadline by 60 days, to provide a cooling-off period and avoid congressional intervention in the dispute. It failed on a vote of 70-25.

Ultimately, a broad bipartisan group set aside reservations about inserting Congress into the labor dispute and backed the agreement that the Biden administration negotiated. The vote was 80-15, with Senator Rand Paul, Republican of Kentucky, voting “present.”

The moment was a remarkable outcome for Mr. Biden, who had vowed to be the most pro-union president in the nation’s history and had championed the negotiations that led to the tentative agreement. He did so under the Railway Labor Act, a 1926 law that allows the president to intervene in rail labor disputes that threaten to cut off essential commerce or transportation service.

But while the resulting deal provided higher pay and more schedule flexibility, multiple unions voted against its ratification in recent weeks because it failed to include paid sick leave, and would force workers to take unpaid time off to attend medical appointments. Many employees argued it did not go far enough to address the toll of their difficult and unpredictable schedules.

With a railway strike possible in the coming days, Mr. Biden turned to Congress to intervene. He stressed his reluctance to override the will of union workers seeking basic workplace rights, but said it was necessary to address the threat of economic calamity that could be caused by a disruption to the nation’s rail system and an inability to swiftly transport goods and services across the country.

At a news conference at the White House on Thursday, Mr. Biden bristled at a question about why he had not insisted on more paid leave for rail workers in the deal, saying that he had “negotiated a contract no one else can negotiate.” He said he would continue to fight for paid leave for all Americans.

On Capitol Hill, Democrats also said they would have preferred to avoid stepping into the middle of a railroad labor dispute, something Congress has done 18 times in the past century. They groused about being called upon to embrace a deal that went against what workers were demanding. Pressing to overcome those concerns, Mr. Biden dispatched Martin J. Walsh, the labor secretary, and Pete Buttigieg, the transportation secretary, to the Capitol on Thursday to meet with Democratic senators during a private lunch ahead of the votes.

“The consequences of inaction would be severe,” said Senator Chuck Schumer, Democrat of New York and the majority leader. He ticked through a list of what he described as the “serious problems that would occur if there’s a rail shutdown.”

Republicans, too, griped about the position they had been placed in, questioning why Mr. Biden had not allowed for a few more days to resolve the dispute before involving Congress.

To quell the concerns in both parties and speed the measure through the Senate, leaders agreed to first consider the G.O.P. proposal for a cooling-off period and the House-passed proposal to add the paid leave.

“Less than 36 hours ago, we were asked to decide on issues that are complicated, that are important, without necessary deliberations,” said Senator Dan Sullivan, Republican of Alaska, who sponsored the deadline extension. He said his measure would “give negotiators more time to get to an agreement and it will not make Congress the entity of last resort in these kind of negotiations.”

Other senators, including some Republicans, said the threat of damage to the nation’s economy at a moment when inflation remains high drove their votes to implement the tentative agreement.

“While this position is undesirable, Congress must act,” Senators Cynthia Lummis of Wyoming and Kevin Cramer of North Dakota, both Republicans, wrote in a joint letter to their colleagues. “Implementing an agreement that roughly half of the unionized workers support, along with all their leadership, is the most responsible path forward.”

But Ms. Lummis and Mr. Cramer, like the majority of Republicans, argued against adding the paid leave proposal and said Congress should abide by the terms of the tentative agreement.

“It is in the best interest of all parties that the railroads, not Congress, work through issues such as paid leave directly with their employees,” the two senators wrote.

Liberals, several of whom were frustrated at the push to impose the tentative agreement on workers, argued that the paid leave proposal was a necessary addition championed by union workers.

Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, the independent and chairman of the Budget Committee, had warned he would block expedited consideration of the overall agreement without a vote to add paid leave.

“This is not a radical idea, it’s a very conservative idea,” Mr. Sanders said in a speech on the Senate floor. He added, “I would hope that we would have strong support.”

The proposal drew a majority, but not the supermajority needed for passage.

”With a railway strike possible in the coming days, Mr. Biden turned to Congress to intervene. He stressed his reluctance to override the will of union workers seeking basic workplace rights, but said it was necessary to address the threat of economic calamity that could be caused by a disruption to the nation’s rail system and an inability to swiftly transport goods and services across the country.”

So no paid leave. Well it’s wildcat strike time. Congress is about to realize that they can’t do shit and Biden will have egg on his face
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Postby New Georgia and the North Pacific » Thu Dec 01, 2022 3:14 pm

Drongonia wrote:
New Georgia and the North Pacific wrote:Yes, medication doesn’t cure conservatism. Education does, but medication cures being bi-polar and saying stupid things that lose you all your money.

Being bipolar doesn't predispose anyone to a certain political viewpoint. Also, he didn't say "Kanye should be medicated to treat his bipolar disorder"

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:this guy's gonna leap off a building in a delirium and you are going to stand there going "i could not have seen that coming"

If he was gonna do something that stupid it's likely he'd have done it already.

Kanye did a 180 on his previous views. Bup. Just like that. He’s bi-polar, included medicine for it in one of his songs.
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According to viewtopic.php?f=23&t=363018 somewhere around 5-7, because civilian tech is hyper-advanced, military, not so much. About 4.8 if we include project Hercules, which created superhumans.

Population: 35 billion (cuz moon colony cool)

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Postby The United Penguin Commonwealth » Thu Dec 01, 2022 3:15 pm

Stellar Colonies wrote:
With Senate Vote, Congress Moves to Avert Rail Strike (The New York Times)
Bipartisan coalitions in the House and Senate pushed through a bill that would impose an agreement between rail companies and their workers.
WASHINGTON — The Senate on Thursday voted overwhelmingly to impose a labor agreement between rail companies and their workers who have been locked in a stubborn stalemate, moving with uncommon speed to avert a potential holiday season rail strike that would jeopardize shipping across the country.

Passage of the measure cleared it to be signed by President Biden, who just days ago made a personal appeal for Congress to act to impose a labor agreement his administration helped negotiate earlier this year, but which had failed to resolve the dispute. He was expected to sign it quickly, racing to stave off any economic fallout that could come from a work stoppage in the coming days.

It was the first time since the 1990s that Congress has used its power under the Constitution’s commerce clause, which allows it to regulate interstate commerce, to intervene in a national rail labor dispute.

The action came a day after the House overwhelmingly approved the measure, which would force the companies and their workers to abide by the tentative agreement reached in September. It would include a 24-percent increase in wages over five years, more schedule flexibility and one additional paid day off. Several rail unions had rejected it because it lacked paid leave time.

Senate Democrats, under pressure from progressives to insist on the additional compensated time off for workers, tried and failed to push through a House-passed measure to add seven days of paid medical leave to the agreement. It was defeated 52-43, failing to secure the necessary 60 votes needed to pass.

And Republicans failed to win adoption of their proposal to extend the Dec. 9 negotiation deadline by 60 days, to provide a cooling-off period and avoid congressional intervention in the dispute. It failed on a vote of 70-25.

Ultimately, a broad bipartisan group set aside reservations about inserting Congress into the labor dispute and backed the agreement that the Biden administration negotiated. The vote was 80-15, with Senator Rand Paul, Republican of Kentucky, voting “present.”

The moment was a remarkable outcome for Mr. Biden, who had vowed to be the most pro-union president in the nation’s history and had championed the negotiations that led to the tentative agreement. He did so under the Railway Labor Act, a 1926 law that allows the president to intervene in rail labor disputes that threaten to cut off essential commerce or transportation service.

But while the resulting deal provided higher pay and more schedule flexibility, multiple unions voted against its ratification in recent weeks because it failed to include paid sick leave, and would force workers to take unpaid time off to attend medical appointments. Many employees argued it did not go far enough to address the toll of their difficult and unpredictable schedules.

With a railway strike possible in the coming days, Mr. Biden turned to Congress to intervene. He stressed his reluctance to override the will of union workers seeking basic workplace rights, but said it was necessary to address the threat of economic calamity that could be caused by a disruption to the nation’s rail system and an inability to swiftly transport goods and services across the country.

At a news conference at the White House on Thursday, Mr. Biden bristled at a question about why he had not insisted on more paid leave for rail workers in the deal, saying that he had “negotiated a contract no one else can negotiate.” He said he would continue to fight for paid leave for all Americans.

On Capitol Hill, Democrats also said they would have preferred to avoid stepping into the middle of a railroad labor dispute, something Congress has done 18 times in the past century. They groused about being called upon to embrace a deal that went against what workers were demanding. Pressing to overcome those concerns, Mr. Biden dispatched Martin J. Walsh, the labor secretary, and Pete Buttigieg, the transportation secretary, to the Capitol on Thursday to meet with Democratic senators during a private lunch ahead of the votes.

“The consequences of inaction would be severe,” said Senator Chuck Schumer, Democrat of New York and the majority leader. He ticked through a list of what he described as the “serious problems that would occur if there’s a rail shutdown.”

Republicans, too, griped about the position they had been placed in, questioning why Mr. Biden had not allowed for a few more days to resolve the dispute before involving Congress.

To quell the concerns in both parties and speed the measure through the Senate, leaders agreed to first consider the G.O.P. proposal for a cooling-off period and the House-passed proposal to add the paid leave.

“Less than 36 hours ago, we were asked to decide on issues that are complicated, that are important, without necessary deliberations,” said Senator Dan Sullivan, Republican of Alaska, who sponsored the deadline extension. He said his measure would “give negotiators more time to get to an agreement and it will not make Congress the entity of last resort in these kind of negotiations.”

Other senators, including some Republicans, said the threat of damage to the nation’s economy at a moment when inflation remains high drove their votes to implement the tentative agreement.

“While this position is undesirable, Congress must act,” Senators Cynthia Lummis of Wyoming and Kevin Cramer of North Dakota, both Republicans, wrote in a joint letter to their colleagues. “Implementing an agreement that roughly half of the unionized workers support, along with all their leadership, is the most responsible path forward.”

But Ms. Lummis and Mr. Cramer, like the majority of Republicans, argued against adding the paid leave proposal and said Congress should abide by the terms of the tentative agreement.

“It is in the best interest of all parties that the railroads, not Congress, work through issues such as paid leave directly with their employees,” the two senators wrote.

Liberals, several of whom were frustrated at the push to impose the tentative agreement on workers, argued that the paid leave proposal was a necessary addition championed by union workers.

Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, the independent and chairman of the Budget Committee, had warned he would block expedited consideration of the overall agreement without a vote to add paid leave.

“This is not a radical idea, it’s a very conservative idea,” Mr. Sanders said in a speech on the Senate floor. He added, “I would hope that we would have strong support.”

The proposal drew a majority, but not the supermajority needed for passage.

”With a railway strike possible in the coming days, Mr. Biden turned to Congress to intervene. He stressed his reluctance to override the will of union workers seeking basic workplace rights, but said it was necessary to address the threat of economic calamity that could be caused by a disruption to the nation’s rail system and an inability to swiftly transport goods and services across the country.”


so basically the economy comes before people, as with covid. great.
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Postby New Georgia and the North Pacific » Thu Dec 01, 2022 3:16 pm

The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:
Stellar Colonies wrote:
With Senate Vote, Congress Moves to Avert Rail Strike (The New York Times)
Bipartisan coalitions in the House and Senate pushed through a bill that would impose an agreement between rail companies and their workers.
WASHINGTON — The Senate on Thursday voted overwhelmingly to impose a labor agreement between rail companies and their workers who have been locked in a stubborn stalemate, moving with uncommon speed to avert a potential holiday season rail strike that would jeopardize shipping across the country.

Passage of the measure cleared it to be signed by President Biden, who just days ago made a personal appeal for Congress to act to impose a labor agreement his administration helped negotiate earlier this year, but which had failed to resolve the dispute. He was expected to sign it quickly, racing to stave off any economic fallout that could come from a work stoppage in the coming days.

It was the first time since the 1990s that Congress has used its power under the Constitution’s commerce clause, which allows it to regulate interstate commerce, to intervene in a national rail labor dispute.

The action came a day after the House overwhelmingly approved the measure, which would force the companies and their workers to abide by the tentative agreement reached in September. It would include a 24-percent increase in wages over five years, more schedule flexibility and one additional paid day off. Several rail unions had rejected it because it lacked paid leave time.

Senate Democrats, under pressure from progressives to insist on the additional compensated time off for workers, tried and failed to push through a House-passed measure to add seven days of paid medical leave to the agreement. It was defeated 52-43, failing to secure the necessary 60 votes needed to pass.

And Republicans failed to win adoption of their proposal to extend the Dec. 9 negotiation deadline by 60 days, to provide a cooling-off period and avoid congressional intervention in the dispute. It failed on a vote of 70-25.

Ultimately, a broad bipartisan group set aside reservations about inserting Congress into the labor dispute and backed the agreement that the Biden administration negotiated. The vote was 80-15, with Senator Rand Paul, Republican of Kentucky, voting “present.”

The moment was a remarkable outcome for Mr. Biden, who had vowed to be the most pro-union president in the nation’s history and had championed the negotiations that led to the tentative agreement. He did so under the Railway Labor Act, a 1926 law that allows the president to intervene in rail labor disputes that threaten to cut off essential commerce or transportation service.

But while the resulting deal provided higher pay and more schedule flexibility, multiple unions voted against its ratification in recent weeks because it failed to include paid sick leave, and would force workers to take unpaid time off to attend medical appointments. Many employees argued it did not go far enough to address the toll of their difficult and unpredictable schedules.

With a railway strike possible in the coming days, Mr. Biden turned to Congress to intervene. He stressed his reluctance to override the will of union workers seeking basic workplace rights, but said it was necessary to address the threat of economic calamity that could be caused by a disruption to the nation’s rail system and an inability to swiftly transport goods and services across the country.

At a news conference at the White House on Thursday, Mr. Biden bristled at a question about why he had not insisted on more paid leave for rail workers in the deal, saying that he had “negotiated a contract no one else can negotiate.” He said he would continue to fight for paid leave for all Americans.

On Capitol Hill, Democrats also said they would have preferred to avoid stepping into the middle of a railroad labor dispute, something Congress has done 18 times in the past century. They groused about being called upon to embrace a deal that went against what workers were demanding. Pressing to overcome those concerns, Mr. Biden dispatched Martin J. Walsh, the labor secretary, and Pete Buttigieg, the transportation secretary, to the Capitol on Thursday to meet with Democratic senators during a private lunch ahead of the votes.

“The consequences of inaction would be severe,” said Senator Chuck Schumer, Democrat of New York and the majority leader. He ticked through a list of what he described as the “serious problems that would occur if there’s a rail shutdown.”

Republicans, too, griped about the position they had been placed in, questioning why Mr. Biden had not allowed for a few more days to resolve the dispute before involving Congress.

To quell the concerns in both parties and speed the measure through the Senate, leaders agreed to first consider the G.O.P. proposal for a cooling-off period and the House-passed proposal to add the paid leave.

“Less than 36 hours ago, we were asked to decide on issues that are complicated, that are important, without necessary deliberations,” said Senator Dan Sullivan, Republican of Alaska, who sponsored the deadline extension. He said his measure would “give negotiators more time to get to an agreement and it will not make Congress the entity of last resort in these kind of negotiations.”

Other senators, including some Republicans, said the threat of damage to the nation’s economy at a moment when inflation remains high drove their votes to implement the tentative agreement.

“While this position is undesirable, Congress must act,” Senators Cynthia Lummis of Wyoming and Kevin Cramer of North Dakota, both Republicans, wrote in a joint letter to their colleagues. “Implementing an agreement that roughly half of the unionized workers support, along with all their leadership, is the most responsible path forward.”

But Ms. Lummis and Mr. Cramer, like the majority of Republicans, argued against adding the paid leave proposal and said Congress should abide by the terms of the tentative agreement.

“It is in the best interest of all parties that the railroads, not Congress, work through issues such as paid leave directly with their employees,” the two senators wrote.

Liberals, several of whom were frustrated at the push to impose the tentative agreement on workers, argued that the paid leave proposal was a necessary addition championed by union workers.

Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, the independent and chairman of the Budget Committee, had warned he would block expedited consideration of the overall agreement without a vote to add paid leave.

“This is not a radical idea, it’s a very conservative idea,” Mr. Sanders said in a speech on the Senate floor. He added, “I would hope that we would have strong support.”

The proposal drew a majority, but not the supermajority needed for passage.

”With a railway strike possible in the coming days, Mr. Biden turned to Congress to intervene. He stressed his reluctance to override the will of union workers seeking basic workplace rights, but said it was necessary to address the threat of economic calamity that could be caused by a disruption to the nation’s rail system and an inability to swiftly transport goods and services across the country.”


so basically the economy comes before people, as with covid. great.

Yea. You have a right wing party and a far right one. Least of the shitheads I guess.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Thu Dec 01, 2022 3:16 pm

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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:this guy's gonna leap off a building in a delirium and you are going to stand there going "i could not have seen that coming"

If he was gonna do something that stupid it's likely he'd have done it already.

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