Five Oregon Counties vote to Join Idaho

[San Lumen]

Bravo!

What’s your reasoning for this sentiment?

[Greater Cosmicium]

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/554332-oregon-counties-vote-to-secede-to-idaho

Voters in five rural Oregon counties approved measures on Tuesday to consider joining the state of Idaho, a part of a long-shot grassroots movement to break with a state dominated by liberal voters west of the Cascade Mountains.

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Hey, for the Europeans here who can't access it (maybe American newspapers have a complete disregard for GDPR because their ad-bombing campaigns need a little bit more personal information than the GDPR would ever allow): here's a Wayback Archive link.

[Desena]

I feel like people voting for this are the same kind of tell others "this is how it is in America (or whatever) and if you don't like it, you can leave." Something something move to Canada. I suppose they just want all of the benefits of that without the hassle. And then there's Idaho having to decide if they even want them, considering the aforementioned logistical problems.

[The Alma Mater]

As an Oregonian, I love this so much. Portlanders run the state, so the farmers would rather join Idaho. The consent of the governed is one of the basic principles of government, and these farmers would consent to a less pervasive and more conservative Idaho. (Sadly I am just out side of GREATER IDAHO!).
Let the Portlanders rage, but they got trolled hard on this one

Be careful though - under GOP rule, the stomachs of your chickens would regularly be pumped to check if they were fed ballots

[San Lumen]

I feel like people voting for this are the same kind of tell others "this is how it is in America (or whatever) and if you don't like it, you can leave." Something something move to Canada. I suppose they just want all of the benefits of that without the hassle. And then there's Idaho having to decide if they even want them, considering the aforementioned logistical problems.

Some officials in Idaho have expressed support. In the 2020 election, 921 people voted for Trump in Sherman county. Why don’t they all just move to Idaho?

[New haven america]

I feel like people voting for this are the same kind of tell others "this is how it is in America (or whatever) and if you don't like it, you can leave." Something something move to Canada. I suppose they just want all of the benefits of that without the hassle. And then there's Idaho having to decide if they even want them, considering the aforementioned logistical problems.

Some officials in Idaho have expressed support. In the 2020 election, 921 people voted for Trump in Sherman county. Why don’t they all just move to Idaho?

Because then there'd be no one left in the county.

[San Lumen]

Some officials in Idaho have expressed support. In the 2020 election, 921 people voted for Trump in Sherman county. Why don’t they all just move to Idaho?

Because then there'd be no one left in the county.

260 people voted for Biden.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I feel like people voting for this are the same kind of tell others "this is how it is in America (or whatever) and if you don't like it, you can leave." Something something move to Canada. I suppose they just want all of the benefits of that without the hassle. And then there's Idaho having to decide if they even want them, considering the aforementioned logistical problems.

Some officials in Idaho have expressed support. In the 2020 election, 921 people voted for Trump in Sherman county. Why don’t they all just move to Idaho?

Because not everyone is privileged enough to be able to just move their entire lives? You do understand most Americans have no savings right?

[Albrenia]

Rural areas run by landed gentry that made their money on declining extractive industries and created the closest thing to feudalism in North America seek scapegoat for their serfs' ills. News at 11.

Wow such obejective perspective. Most farmers are poor bastards. Even my boss. They just want to leave in peace

Do most farmers own the land they farm? Because that would put most of them well beyond the general meaning of being poor.

Having said that it's rather silly to claim them all as being the 'landed gentry'. They're just people who have to learn to live with losing democratic elections like the rest of us.

Or sell up and move, I guess.

[San Lumen]

Some officials in Idaho have expressed support. In the 2020 election, 921 people voted for Trump in Sherman county. Why don’t they all just move to Idaho?

Because not everyone is privileged enough to be able to just move their entire lives? You do understand most Americans have no savings right?

I know. This notion of changing the boundaries because you don’t like the politics is ridiculous.
Sorry their candidates don’t win or sit in the majority. That’s how democracy works.

Why don’t we make the three C’s in Ohio their own states or a non contiguous one or split New York or Nevada?

[Greater Cosmicium]

I quickly painted over an open-source map of Oregon to show which counties "voted" to join Idaho:


(credit for original: Ruhrfisch (CC-BY-SA 2.5))

There are no words there, this resembles no known type of territorial continuity.

[Major-Tom]

I mean, it doesn't really matter. Won't go anywhere, people will continue to whine about nonsense, etc etc.

I find it funny, though, that I've heard and read about all these "state secession movements" by conservative counties in Colorado, California, Washington, Minnesota, etc etc who all have very vocal, even popular movements among conservatives. Conversely, I haven't read about any liberal countries try to break free from, say, Texas or Utah. If they are, they haven't been very loud...

[Albrenia]

I quickly painted over an open-source map of Oregon to show which counties "voted" to join:

(Image)
(credit for original: Ruhrfisch (CC-BY-SA 2.5))

There are no words there, this resembles no known type of territorial continuity.

Looks like they should be joining at least three different states there, not all joining the same one.

The poor map would be super ugly afterwards though.

[San Lumen]

I quickly painted over an open-source map of Oregon to show which counties "voted" to join Idaho:

(Image)
(credit for original: Ruhrfisch (CC-BY-SA 2.5))

There are no words there, this resembles no known type of territorial continuity.

https://www.opb.org/article/2021/05/19/ ... -of-idaho/

The map in this article is their ultimate goal. Jackson which is where Medford and Ashland are would never go for it. No presidential candidate has gotten more than 50 percent there since 2008.

[Greater Cosmicium]

Just noticed the five counties that voted to "join" Idaho are all solidly conservative (I would say right-leaning/right-wing but that's how the two-party American political system works, most can't see anything outside
the "liberal" and "conservative" ranges). What would they accomplish politically if their votes worked out, other than making remaining Oregon even more liberal?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Because not everyone is privileged enough to be able to just move their entire lives? You do understand most Americans have no savings right?

I know. This notion of changing the boundaries because you don’t like the politics is ridiculous.
Sorry their candidates don’t win or sit in the majority. That’s how democracy works.

Why don’t we make the three C’s in Ohio their own states or a non contiguous one or split New York or Nevada?

Unironically good ideas, I support most of them.

[Stellar Colonies]

Maybe we should just make the electoral college proportional, that would probably dampen the support for things like this.

A political party getting 26% of the vote gets 26% of the state's electoral votes and such.

[Drongonia]

Based. Secession from the US when

[SHAH-MAT]

Why not just split the whole country up? Jesusland and Big Canada?
Let’s vote on it...

[Stellar Colonies]

Why not just split the whole country up? Jesusland and Big Canada?
Let’s vote on it...

Based. Secession from the US when

nah lol

[Glengo Island]

I live in southern California, and have never been north of San Francisco.

Yet, I still find contention with the Jefferson movement, as they don't really have an economic centre and would also probably cut off or restrict water to the rest of the state, since they'd get most of our natural reserve in a definite "F*ck you, I got mine" move.

East Oregon is also part of where the definitely not racist but entirely Judeo-Christian white haven of the American Redoubt makes their westernmost claims, so I am not surprised.

If this somehow becomes a precedent where red states trickle in by the dozens to get the gat dang libral edyumacated ee-lites offa their prapurdy _/s while not admitting the blue states of Puerto Rico and DC would be the kind of messy hypocrisy that is not at all out of place in the United States.

[SHAH-MAT]

I quickly painted over an open-source map of Oregon to show which counties "voted" to join Idaho:

(Image)
(credit for original: Ruhrfisch (CC-BY-SA 2.5))

There are no words there, this resembles no known type of territorial continuity.

It’s all eastern Oregon, where most ranchers and loggers live.

[Uiiop]

I mean, it doesn't really matter. Won't go anywhere, people will continue to whine about nonsense, etc etc.

I find it funny, though, that I've heard and read about all these "state secession movements" by conservative counties in Colorado, California, Washington, Minnesota, etc etc who all have very vocal, even popular movements among conservatives. Conversely, I haven't read about any liberal countries try to break free from, say, Texas or Utah. If they are, they haven't been very loud...

To riff on what Kowani said: Dems think the feds will eventually save them while republicans think the dems will press the "1984" button any minute. /Hyperbole

[SHAH-MAT]

Why not just split the whole country up? Jesusland and Big Canada?
Let’s vote on it...

Based. Secession from the US when

nah lol

Maybe next time...

[Greater Cosmicium]

I quickly painted over an open-source map of Oregon to show which counties "voted" to join Idaho:

(Image)
(credit for original: Ruhrfisch (CC-BY-SA 2.5))

There are no words there, this resembles no known type of territorial continuity.

It’s all eastern Oregon, where most ranchers and loggers live.

The parts of territory that "voted" to "join" Idaho are in red. You should be able to see the obvious problem there.