Prince Philip dies at age 99

[Ifreann]

Fascinating new development in making excuses for racism, we no longer have to judge people by the times in which they lived, but by the times in which they were born, because people can't be expected to change and grow.

If you dig around, you'll find that most of those comments were made in the early 2000s at the latest - where racism was much more acceptable in terms of comedy/wit/satire/banter or whatever.

Nobody realised that racism was bad until 2019, true fact.

[Drongonia]

If you dig around, you'll find that most of those comments were made in the early 2000s at the latest - where racism was much more acceptable in terms of comedy/wit/satire/banter or whatever.

Nobody realised that racism was bad until 2019, true fact.

What a silly response. Racism = bad! WOW! Nice one, Sherlock. The point being made is that racism wasn't as heavily discouraged in all facets of public discourse as it is right now, in the present. There wasn't one day in 201x where the majority of collective society decided "you know what, minorities are alright actually". It's been a process and you know that, or at least you should.

[The Archregimancy]

So how long do I have to wait,
to ask the queen out on a date?

This is for you, Ethel....

[The Huskar Social Union]

So how long do I have to wait,
to ask the queen out on a date?

This is for you, Ethel....

You were the last person i expected to share that here lmao

[Immoren]

So how long do I have to wait,
to ask the queen out on a date?

This is for you, Ethel....

And I was hesitant of posting meme like this because I thought it'd be too close to no gloating rule.

[Ifreann]

Nobody realised that racism was bad until 2019, true fact.

What a silly response. Racism = bad! WOW! Nice one, Sherlock. The point being made is that racism wasn't as heavily discouraged in all facets of public discourse as it is right now, in the present. There wasn't one day in 201x where the majority of collective society decided "you know what, minorities are alright actually". It's been a process and you know that, or at least you should.

The point evidently being made is that nothing that Prince Philip ever said can be held against him.

[Ethel mermania]

This is for you, Ethel....

You were the last person i expected to share that here lmao

Hey, its not everyone who can say, "Harrison Ford is my wingman".

[Drongonia]

The point evidently being made is that nothing that Prince Philip ever said can be held against him.

Well yes, but I'm more defending it from the point that I actually don't care what he said.

[Ifreann]

The point evidently being made is that nothing that Prince Philip ever said can be held against him.

Well yes, but I'm more defending it from the point that I actually don't care what he said.

If you didn't care then you wouldn't say anything.

[The Restored Danelaw]

What a silly response. Racism = bad! WOW! Nice one, Sherlock. The point being made is that racism wasn't as heavily discouraged in all facets of public discourse as it is right now, in the present. There wasn't one day in 201x where the majority of collective society decided "you know what, minorities are alright actually". It's been a process and you know that, or at least you should.

The point evidently being made is that nothing that Prince Philip ever said can be held against him.

Really not anymore than it can for any grandpa from literally slightly less than 100 years ago who said some absurdly racist and sexist things -that may have been publicly accepted when he was growing up- even to an old age and then passed away. His service in the navy or long history of philanthropy and public service shouldn't even come into this. He was an old man from a different time who couldn't change his attitude properly enough, but who was in the spotlight more often than your average old ww2 veteran grandpa. It's just absurd you're even bringing up this on a thread about mourning a guy who died.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

-snip-

People should not be above criticism simply because they happen to be no longer alive, and the fact of the matter is that this man was a hidebound reactionary with some extraordinarily repulsive stances.

Nations have a natural tendency to glorify their histories and their leaders, but this never solves more problems than it lets fester.

[Drongonia]

Well yes, but I'm more defending it from the point that I actually don't care what he said.

If you didn't care then you wouldn't say anything.

Okay then smartypants, I'll rephrase it for you: I'm not offended by anything he said, nor do I care much on a personal level for the feelings of those who are.

[The Restored Danelaw]

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People should not be above criticism simply because they happen to be no longer alive, and the fact of the matter is that this man was a hidebound reactionary with some extraordinarily repulsive stances.

Nations have a natural tendency to glorify their histories and their leaders, but this never solves more problems than it lets fester.

People should be above criticism on threads specifically about mourning them. It's almost as ridiculously and pointlessly offensive for the sake of offensive as going to his funeral and saying "this man was a reactionary so you should all feel bad". And this is even assuming his "stances" were extraordinarily repuslive or that he was a "hidebound reactionary" in the first place. This isn't about history or upholding the Empire of whatever new thing it's cool to be ridiculously offensive against. It's about maintaining a minimum of respect about some guy who just died. <ake up a thread about how he was a hidebound reactionary with some extraordinarily repulsive stances if you really want to, but here is seriously not the place. Though at least "he was racist so we should be glad he's dead and you're a bad person for mourning him" is at least nominally more coherent than "He was a royal so we should be glad he's dead and you're a bad person for mourning him"

[Ifreann]

The point evidently being made is that nothing that Prince Philip ever said can be held against him.

Really not anymore than it can for any grandpa from literally slightly less than 100 years ago who said some absurdly racist and sexist things -that may have been publicly accepted when he was growing up- even to an old age and then passed away. His service in the navy or long history of philanthropy and public service shouldn't even come into this. He was an old man from a different time who couldn't change his attitude properly enough, but who was in the spotlight more often than your average old ww2 veteran grandpa. It's just absurd you're even bringing up this on a thread about mourning a guy who died.

You're mistaken if you think that this is a thread for only saying nice things about Prince Philip.

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If you didn't care then you wouldn't say anything.

Okay then smartypants, I'll rephrase it for you: I'm not offended by anything he said, nor do I care much on a personal level for the feelings of those who are.

Again, clearly false. You wouldn't be going on like this if you didn't care. If you don't care then you'd just stop posting.

[Vrijstaat Limburg]

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People should not be above criticism simply because they happen to be no longer alive, and the fact of the matter is that this man was a hidebound reactionary with some extraordinarily repulsive stances.

Nations have a natural tendency to glorify their histories and their leaders, but this never solves more problems than it lets fester.

Ahem..

Ah yes, let's gather round and pay our respects to the man who lived a life of utter luxury because he was born into a somewhat relevant family and married the right woman.

The world's smallest fucking violin is playing right now.

Not quite how I would put it, but I share the general sentiment.

I don’t have condolences or sympathies to give to a pampered aristocrat who died a peaceful and natural death, nor have I any for their pampered aristocratic family.

Some grand criticism there. Mercilessly insulting a corpse is so very productive and beneficial to human advancement.

[Drongonia]

Okay then smartypants, I'll rephrase it for you: I'm not offended by anything he said, nor do I care much on a personal level for the feelings of those who are.

Again, clearly false. You wouldn't be going on like this if you didn't care. If you don't care then you'd just stop posting.

You're responding like a six year old would. Read the highlighted part again.

[Ifreann]

People should not be above criticism simply because they happen to be no longer alive, and the fact of the matter is that this man was a hidebound reactionary with some extraordinarily repulsive stances.

Nations have a natural tendency to glorify their histories and their leaders, but this never solves more problems than it lets fester.

People should be above criticism on threads specifically about mourning them. It's almost as ridiculously and pointlessly offensive for the sake of offensive as going to his funeral and saying "this man was a reactionary so you should all feel bad". And this is even assuming his "stances" were extraordinarily repuslive or that he was a "hidebound reactionary" in the first place. This isn't about history or upholding the Empire of whatever new thing it's cool to be ridiculously offensive against. It's about maintaining a minimum of respect about some guy who just died. <ake up a thread about how he was a hidebound reactionary with some extraordinarily repulsive stances if you really want to, but here is seriously not the place. Though at least "he was racist so we should be glad he's dead and you're a bad person for mourning him" is at least nominally more coherent than "He was a royal so we should be glad he's dead and you're a bad person for mourning him"

This isn't a thread for mourning Prince Philip, this is a thread for discussing him in light of his recent death. This thread is not his funeral.

[Vassenor]

People should not be above criticism simply because they happen to be no longer alive, and the fact of the matter is that this man was a hidebound reactionary with some extraordinarily repulsive stances.

Nations have a natural tendency to glorify their histories and their leaders, but this never solves more problems than it lets fester.

Ahem..

Not quite how I would put it, but I share the general sentiment.

I don’t have condolences or sympathies to give to a pampered aristocrat who died a peaceful and natural death, nor have I any for their pampered aristocratic family.

Some grand criticism there. Mercilessly insulting a corpse is so very productive and beneficial to human advancement.

So what makes the death of this nonogenarian different from all the others that will have died this week?

[Ifreann]

Again, clearly false. You wouldn't be going on like this if you didn't care. If you don't care then you'd just stop posting.

You're responding like a six year old would. Read the highlighted part again.

My point stands. You do care that people are "offended". You must care or you wouldn't keep making excuses for Philip.

[SD_Film Artists]

Phillip quotes, a non exhaustive list
On Britain:
>"How do you keep the natives off the booze long enough to pass?" Said to a driving instructor in Scotland
>"Young people are the same as they always were. They are just as ignorant." Said while celebrating Edinburgh's youth
>"The problem with London is the tourists. They cause the congestion. If we could stop tourism, we could stop congestion."
>"You bloody silly fool!" Said to a car park attendant who didn't recognise him
>"People think there’s a rigid class system here, but dukes have even been known to marry chorus girls. Some have even married Americans."
>"British women can't cook."
On minorities:
> “So who's on drugs here?... HE looks as if he's on drugs.” At a Bangladeshi youth club
>"There’s a lot of your family in tonight." To an Indian at reception for 400 British-Indians
>"It looks as if it was put in by an Indian.” On a malfunctioning fuse box
>"Are you all one family?" Said to a multiracial dance troupe
>"What exotic part of the world do you come from?" Said to a black MP from Birmingham
On economics:
>"I declare this thing open, whatever it is."
>"I don't think a prostitute is more moral than a wife, but they are doing the same thing."
>"It's the best way of wasting money that I know of." On the U.S. Apollo program
>"Everybody was saying we must have more leisure. Now they are complaining they are unemployed." In reference to an economic recession
>"I will probably have to give up polo." Said to encourage people during a recession
>"Why don't you go and live in a hovel to save cash?" Said to someone living on the streets
On disabilities:
>"No wonder you are deaf listening to this row." Said to deaf children at a pop concert in Wales
>"Have you run over anybody?" Said to a man on a mobility scooter
>When he and the Queen met Stephen Menary, an army cadet blinded by an IRA bomb, and the Queen enquired how much sight he retained, Philip quipped: "Not a lot, judging by the tie he's wearing."
>"We didn’t have counsellors rushing around every time somebody let off a gun, asking 'Are you all right? Are you sure you don’t have a ghastly problem?' You just got on with it." Complaining about PTSD counseling for veterans
On children:
>"You're too fat to be an astronaut." Said to a 13 year-old aspiring astronaut
>"So you actually know how to write, then? Well done!" Said to a 14 year-old student
On crime:
>"If a cricketer suddenly decided to go into a school and batter a lot of people to death with a cricket bat, which he could do very easily, I mean, are you going to ban cricket bats?" Said in relation to the proposal to ban firearms in the UK following the Dunblane shooting
>"A gun is no more dangerous than a cricket bat in the hands of a madman."
>"Cats kill more birds than men. Why don't you have a slogan, 'Kill a cat and save a bird?'" Said to nature preservationists
>"Smoke alarms are a disgrace. I've got one in my bathroom, and every time I run a bath, the steam sets it off." Said to a woman who lost two sons to a fire
On other countries:
>"If you stay here much longer, you will go home with slitty eyes.” Said to a British student in China in 1986
>“You managed not to get eaten then?” Said to someone who had just hiked across Papua New Guinea
>“Reichskanzler.” Calling German chancellor Helmut Kohl by Hitler's title
>“You look like you’re ready for bed!” Said to the President of Nigeria who was wearing traditional garb
>"If it has got four legs and it's not a chair, the Cantonese will eat it."
>"You can't have been here that long—you haven't got a pot belly." Said to a Briton in Hungary
>"You are a woman, aren't you?" After accepting a gift from a Kenyan woman
>"Do you still throw spears at each other?" Said to an Aboriginal Australian
>"There's so many you feel they breed them just to put in orphanages." Said about Romanians
>"Can you tell the difference between them?" Said to Barack Obama after being told Obama had met the Chinese and Russian ambassadors
>"Looks like the sort of thing my daughter would bring back from her school art lessons." Said of an Ethiopian art exhibit
>"I might catch some ghastly disease." Said of Australia
>"It's a waste of space." Said of the British embassy to Germany
>"It's a pleasure to be in a country that isn't ruled by its people." Said while visiting Paraguay

Actually missed a bit from the Cantonese quote: the Duke of Edinburgh is said to have remarked: “If it has four legs and isn’t a chair, if it flies and isn’t an aeroplane, the Cantonese will eat it.” This Wuhan pandemic does vindicate His Royal Highness a wee bit, wouldn’t you agree?

I personally think most of these remarks are fairly witty. They’re certainly good banter, and I’m not sure whether we should be so puritanical about a bit of banter.

Indeed, and if I became disabled after a bomb I'd much rather have someone make a joke about my tie than treat me with kid gloves which is well-intentioned yet utimately very patronising, like the Facebook 'inspiration porn' where someone choosing to date a disabled classmate is apparently a huge act of charity.

[Vrijstaat Limburg]

Ahem..



Some grand criticism there. Mercilessly insulting a corpse is so very productive and beneficial to human advancement.

So what makes the death of this nonogenarian different from all the others that will have died this week?

The fact that this nonagenarian* has gotten attacked by swarms of angry commenters, for starters. His death may very well be equal to that of any other person, it may even be worth less depending on your personal philosophy. The point is, however, that that is no justification to speak ill of the dead, and that masquerading common insults as “criticism” is ill-virtued and improper. If you have the gall to trash a dead man online, you might as well say that you’re trashing a man online, instead of pretending it’s some kind of “criticism”, when the extremities are propagated so fiercely and so rhetorically that there is no debate.

[Nakena]

Again, clearly false. You wouldn't be going on like this if you didn't care. If you don't care then you'd just stop posting.

You're responding like a six year old would. Read the highlighted part again.

Prince Philip was pretty based tbh.

[Istoreya]

Ahem..



Some grand criticism there. Mercilessly insulting a corpse is so very productive and beneficial to human advancement.

So what makes the death of this nonogenarian different from all the others that will have died this week?

Geez, I don't know, maybe his celebrity status and being loved in the eyes of the British public?
Of course it's sad that other people die, but you cannot reasonably expect to rattle through a list of everyone who died this week and tell people they must be mourning for these people too and if not, their mourning for this person is invalid.
There's a reason celebrities make national news when they pass away. Alan Rickman, David Bowie and Robin Williams spring to mind. These people make a lasting impression on more than their immediate family, these people touch the lives of thousands and as such will be missed and mourned by thousands.

[Vrijstaat Limburg]

So what makes the death of this nonogenarian different from all the others that will have died this week?

Geez, I don't know, maybe his celebrity status and being loved in the eyes of the British public?
Of course it's sad that other people die, but you cannot reasonably expect to rattle through a list of everyone who died this week and tell people they must be mourning for these people too and if not, their mourning for this person is invalid.
There's a reason celebrities make national news when they pass away. Alan Rickman, David Bowie and Robin Williams spring to mind. These people make a lasting impression on more than their immediate family, these people touch the lives of thousands and as such will be missed and mourned by thousands.

Hear, hear

[The New California Republic]

Sad news, although expected, still a shock.
Condolences

Why did you quote yourself immediately after you posted?