White Supremacy discussion thread

[Zurkir]

As a species humanity is one. But we have different racial groups.

Races are artificial lines which are based on appearance rather than genetics.

Is the appearance of one not based on genetics? For example a biracial person exhibiting physical traits of both parents.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Races are artificial lines which are based on appearance rather than genetics.

Is the appearance of one not based on genetics? For example a biracial person exhibiting physical traits of both parents.

That isn't race though. Said traits originate from multiple genes and few populations are genetic islands that stand apart from all others. Besides, skin color can vary greatly within the same alleged race. Arabs and Nords are both allegedly Caucasian but look at how different a Yemenite looks from a Swede. There aren't races. There is only clinal variation in human features between environments.

[Suriyanakhon]

Is the appearance of one not based on genetics? For example a biracial person exhibiting physical traits of both parents.

That isn't race though. Said traits originate from multiple genes and few populations are genetic islands that stand apart from all others. Besides, skin color can vary greatly within the same alleged race. Arabs and Nords are both allegedly Caucasian but look at how different a Yemenite looks from a Swede. There aren't races. There is only clinal variation in human features between environments.

I've had “pure” white family members who look dark skinned enough to be harassed by police.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

That's the historical racial classifications that have existed. Said classifications have been debunked by modern science.

Well as I just previously said, I operate under the premise of separate ethnicities/racial groups across the globe. They each have unique traits though no one group is superior to another. Race itself does exist as a social construct but you cannot (IMO) as I previously remarked take three people from three separate races and say they are “exactly alike”. Yes, they are all equal humans. (To which I NEVER said they weren’t.) Each no lesser or better than the other. But they come from different regions of the globe and separate groups of peoples.

My basis of race is basically recognizing and acknowledging these different groups of people. Not comparing “which is smarter” or “which is better looking”.

But race isn't even the correct term for it. They're all the same race of beings. What you're describing is polymorphism. A black man and white man look different based on skintone but it's as relevant as hair color differences between a ginger and a brunette.

[Neanderthaland]

Well as I just previously said, I operate under the premise of separate ethnicities/racial groups across the globe. They each have unique traits though no one group is superior to another. Race itself does exist as a social construct but you cannot (IMO) as I previously remarked take three people from three separate races and say they are “exactly alike”. Yes, they are all equal humans. (To which I NEVER said they weren’t.) Each no lesser or better than the other. But they come from different regions of the globe and separate groups of peoples.

My basis of race is basically recognizing and acknowledging these different groups of people. Not comparing “which is smarter” or “which is better looking”.

But race isn't even the correct term for it. They're all the same race of beings. What you're describing is polymorphism. A black man and white man look different based on skintone but it's as relevant as hair color differences between a ginger and a brunette.

I don't want there to be racists at all. But just once, for the novelty of it, I'd like to hear from a racist who focuses on genetic traits other than the most superficial ones.

"All hail the lactose tolerant master race!" or "As with geography, so with society: those with high-altitude adaptations should be on top!"

[Galloism]

But race isn't even the correct term for it. They're all the same race of beings. What you're describing is polymorphism. A black man and white man look different based on skintone but it's as relevant as hair color differences between a ginger and a brunette.

I don't want there to be racists at all. But just once, for the novelty of it, I'd like to hear from a racist who focuses on genetic traits other than the most superficial ones.

"All hail the lactose tolerant master race!" or "As with geography, so with society: those with high-altitude adaptations should be on top!"

Japan has an issue with discrimination based on blood type.

[Neanderthaland]

I don't want there to be racists at all. But just once, for the novelty of it, I'd like to hear from a racist who focuses on genetic traits other than the most superficial ones.

"All hail the lactose tolerant master race!" or "As with geography, so with society: those with high-altitude adaptations should be on top!"

Japan has an issue with discrimination based on blood type.

I've heard of that.

And it sort of qualifies, but it oddly reminds me more of astrology than anything.

[Suriyanakhon]

I don't want there to be racists at all. But just once, for the novelty of it, I'd like to hear from a racist who focuses on genetic traits other than the most superficial ones.

"All hail the lactose tolerant master race!" or "As with geography, so with society: those with high-altitude adaptations should be on top!"

Japan has an issue with discrimination based on blood type.

That's exactly something an O negative would say.

[Galloism]

Japan has an issue with discrimination based on blood type.

That's exactly something an O negative would say.

Touché.

[Zurkir]

Well as I just previously said, I operate under the premise of separate ethnicities/racial groups across the globe. They each have unique traits though no one group is superior to another. Race itself does exist as a social construct but you cannot (IMO) as I previously remarked take three people from three separate races and say they are “exactly alike”. Yes, they are all equal humans. (To which I NEVER said they weren’t.) Each no lesser or better than the other. But they come from different regions of the globe and separate groups of peoples.

My basis of race is basically recognizing and acknowledging these different groups of people. Not comparing “which is smarter” or “which is better looking”.

But race isn't even the correct term for it. They're all the same race of beings. What you're describing is polymorphism. A black man and white man look different based on skintone but it's as relevant as hair color differences between a ginger and a brunette.

I think species would be the better term in regards to humanity as a whole.
Still, as I said prior I don’t really mull on it day and night. What you quoted there is my base premise, that’s all really.

[Uiiop]

Japan has an issue with discrimination based on blood type.

That's exactly something an O negative would say.

Is that really low ranking over there? You would think that it would be the cream of the top or have their space taken by rare bloodtypes.

[Rock Sturanst]

Of course I believe they should be allowed to share their views. I don't think you have to agree with them, or allow yourself to feel upset by their thoughts or opinions. It's important to hear other people's perspectives though.

[Great Algerstonia]

What I care about is iron-manning instead of straw-manning your argument. If what you say is true, then make it as strong an argument as possible. When you use "inbreeding fetish" as an argument against racism, you open up a target for racists to weaken your position. You bring the rest of us down with you. Do better.

And I care about not legitimizing Nazism. It is a mind virus. It cannot be defeated through 'rational debate', any more than you can fix a computer virus by yelling at your monitor. Debating it legitimizes it, and legitimizing it allows it to spread.

Thats completely wrong. Have you heard of Daryl Davis, the black guy who got 200 Klansmen to rescind their racist views through simple discussion? And all the ex-Nazis who have stopped their views and now work to fight against the spread of Nazism?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

That isn't race though. Said traits originate from multiple genes and few populations are genetic islands that stand apart from all others. Besides, skin color can vary greatly within the same alleged race. Arabs and Nords are both allegedly Caucasian but look at how different a Yemenite looks from a Swede. There aren't races. There is only clinal variation in human features between environments.

I've had “pure” white family members who look dark skinned enough to be harassed by police.

Were they white ethnic or just plain old English?

[Grenartia]

Hot take that will probably get me banned.

Racial supremacists should not be allowed to speak. They should be deplatformed, ridiculed and their names rendered unto mud. I want them to lay awake at night fretting about how to behave themselves, constantly looking over their shoulder to make sure each and every comment is sanitised. I want every phone call to make their heart skip a beat, lest they lose friends, family, jobs, their life unravel before them.

The sword of Damocles approach.

That is unironically based. Nazis should always be afraid of being exposed as such. Even moreso than the minority groups they want to be afraid of them.

[Grenartia]

And I care about not legitimizing Nazism. It is a mind virus. It cannot be defeated through 'rational debate', any more than you can fix a computer virus by yelling at your monitor. Debating it legitimizes it, and legitimizing it allows it to spread.

Thats completely wrong. Have you heard of Daryl Davis, the black guy who got 200 Klansmen to rescind their racist views through simple discussion? And all the ex-Nazis who have stopped their views and now work to fight against the spread of Nazism?

One single outlier who was unusually successful, and whose circumstances of success are highly unique, does not a repeatable algorithm for successful de-nazification through 'rational debate' make.

[Fahran]

One single outlier who was unusually successful, and whose circumstances of success are highly unique, does not a repeatable algorithm for successful de-nazification through 'rational debate' make.

I don't think rational debate alone is effective. I do think exposure and socialization are, especially when coupled with broader policy shifts that address many of the other grievances that often accompany white nationalist thinking and racial disparities within society.

[Drongonia]

Hot take that will probably get me banned.

Racial supremacists should not be allowed to speak. They should be deplatformed, ridiculed and their names rendered unto mud. I want them to lay awake at night fretting about how to behave themselves, constantly looking over their shoulder to make sure each and every comment is sanitised. I want every phone call to make their heart skip a beat, lest they lose friends, family, jobs, their life unravel before them.

The sword of Damocles approach.

This gung-ho attitude is what created a rise in White Nationalism in the US in the first place. These people, usually previously moderate types, felt that their concerns weren't being heard about basic issues like immigration, the Opioid crisis, the economy squeezing out predominantly lower-middle class White workers, the subversion of the opinions they considered normal. When they tried to voice these concerns, they were told by the GOP that everything would work itself out once they got back into power (it didn't), and by the left at large that they were racists (they weren't) by people with the exact same attitude as you. This was early 2010s-timeline. Fast-forward to now and those same people have only got angrier and angrier about these and other issues, and your reaction of fire and brimstone only validates their argument in their eyes.

Think about it, if your whole platform was that you're a dissident speaking the truth, and that the establishment wants you destroyed - and then the establishment does the exact thing you're saying, does that make you more radical or less? It's a thoroughly stupid set of ideas that would take the current disorganised and fragmented White Nationalist community in America and make them into a terror cell the likes of which the country have never seen. The worst part seems to be that the establishment is largely doing what you've suggested - and they're going to reap the results of this sooner or later.

These men will be left with nothing to lose. No family, no money, no job, and a broken mental state - and the blood spilled by them will be at least partially on your hands.

[Mercatus]

Hot take that will probably get me banned.

Racial supremacists should not be allowed to speak. They should be deplatformed, ridiculed and their names rendered unto mud. I want them to lay awake at night fretting about how to behave themselves, constantly looking over their shoulder to make sure each and every comment is sanitised. I want every phone call to make their heart skip a beat, lest they lose friends, family, jobs, their life unravel before them.

The sword of Damocles approach.

That is unironically based. Nazis should always be afraid of being exposed as such. Even moreso than the minority groups they want to be afraid of them.

By that logic, if we are to maintain real equality in said situation, then it should be perfectly ok for me to do everything in my power to make SJWs or non-white racial nationalist fear for their lives. By oppressing one group for their stated opinion, even if unpopular, we are behaving no better than they would were they in power.

Free speech and equality go both ways, but the issue nowadays is that people have tainted it to mean making every possible concession to “marginalized” groups while disenfranchising and savagely curtailing the rights of people to express a different view. In trying to combat a fascist opinion, you yourself would act in a fascist manner that only proves that you would descend to their level to accomplish a political goal.

[New haven america]

There's nothing to disagree with me with.

"Race" as humans think about it (Or Sociological Race, Soc Race for short), is Polymorphism. Polymorphism are small variations within a species that makes it easier to live in their chosen biomes or just minor physical differences in general that makes member of a species look different. Jaguars and Panthers for example, are not different species, they're the same and they interbreed all the time making mixed light fur/dark fur litters. The only difference between them is their polymorphic fur/skin color. The only reason Soc Race is a thing is because humans are dumb.

Bio Race, you know, the actually scientifically accepted definition of race, denotes a subspecies. Humanity's last race, The Neanderthals, died out hundreds of thousands of years ago. So no, humans have no race, we are a biological loner branch on the tree of life.

I take exception to that.

Yeah well, you're extinct, so you know.

[Atheris]

Hot take that will probably get me banned.

Racial supremacists should not be allowed to speak. They should be deplatformed, ridiculed and their names rendered unto mud. I want them to lay awake at night fretting about how to behave themselves, constantly looking over their shoulder to make sure each and every comment is sanitised. I want every phone call to make their heart skip a beat, lest they lose friends, family, jobs, their life unravel before them.

The sword of Damocles approach.

censorship only radicalizes them further as it legitimjzes the worldview that the world is against them for speaking "the truth"

[New haven america]

I don't want there to be racists at all. But just once, for the novelty of it, I'd like to hear from a racist who focuses on genetic traits other than the most superficial ones.

"All hail the lactose tolerant master race!" or "As with geography, so with society: those with high-altitude adaptations should be on top!"

Japan has an issue with discrimination based on blood type.

Japan has an issue with discrimination based on... Anything you can think of, really.

[New haven america]

Hot take that will probably get me banned.

Racial supremacists should not be allowed to speak. They should be deplatformed, ridiculed and their names rendered unto mud. I want them to lay awake at night fretting about how to behave themselves, constantly looking over their shoulder to make sure each and every comment is sanitised. I want every phone call to make their heart skip a beat, lest they lose friends, family, jobs, their life unravel before them.

The sword of Damocles approach.

This gung-ho attitude is what created a rise in White Nationalism in the US in the first place. These people, usually previously moderate types, felt that their concerns weren't being heard about basic issues like immigration, the Opioid crisis, the economy squeezing out predominantly lower-middle class White workers, the subversion of the opinions they considered normal. When they tried to voice these concerns, they were told by the GOP that everything would work itself out once they got back into power (it didn't), and by the left at large that they were racists (they weren't) by people with the exact same attitude as you. This was early 2010s-timeline. Fast-forward to now and those same people have only got angrier and angrier about these and other issues, and your reaction of fire and brimstone only validates their argument in their eyes.

Think about it, if your whole platform was that you're a dissident speaking the truth, and that the establishment wants you destroyed - and then the establishment does the exact thing you're saying, does that make you more radical or less? It's a thoroughly stupid set of ideas that would take the current disorganised and fragmented White Nationalist community in America and make them into a terror cell the likes of which the country have never seen. The worst part seems to be that the establishment is largely doing what you've suggested - and they're going to reap the results of this sooner or later.

These men will be left with nothing to lose. No family, no money, no job, and a broken mental state - and the blood spilled by them will be at least partially on your hands.

All of these were caused by the right wing, you know that, right?

Like, Reagan institutionalized 1/2 of the concerns you just listed. By becoming a white nationalist, you're playing into the Reps plans of fascistic countrywide domination.

[Drongonia]

All of these were caused by the right wing, you know that, right?

Like, Reagan institutionalized 1/2 of the concerns you just listed. By becoming a white nationalist, you're playing into the Reps plans of fascistic countrywide domination.

Well, not the right wing from a fascistic point of view. Reagan was a libertarian president, which is something that a legitimate Nationalist of any ethnicity should be against. Also, these radical WNs aren't going to support the GOP/Republicans. Legitimate White Nationalists do not support the GOP and will not vote Republican, most of them don't vote on anything larger than local elections.

[Miku the Based]

Just because you consider and invest into the concept of separate human races/ethnicities and acknowledge that all of humanity isn’t one shade and shape doesn’t make one a racial nationalist or supremacist type. (In reference to your “white supremacy bad or no?” query to me.)

Acknowledging all of humanity isn't one shade and shape is however acknowledging that race exist and that is racist. That's okay in my opinion but in your opinion "racism is bad".