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Do you think white supermascists should be able to express their views?

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No
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Postby Genivaria » Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:56 am

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As someone who's also from Virginia, most people I've met who hate the South are from the South. Not that I blame them.

Bold to assume anything north of Texas is the South. :^)

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Postby Suriyanakhon » Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:59 am

Fahran wrote:
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As someone who's also from Virginia, most people I've met who hate the South are from the South. Not that I blame them.

Bold to assume anything north of Texas is the South. :^)


Bold to assume I can't just take your ponies away and put them on top of the refrigerator. :^)
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Postby Senkaku » Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:59 am

Fahran wrote:
Suriyanakhon wrote:
As someone who's also from Virginia, most people I've met who hate the South are from the South. Not that I blame them.

Bold to assume anything north of Texas is the South. :^)

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Postby Postauthoritarian America » Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:56 pm

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Because when it comes to white supremacy, among other things, silence equals consent.

"Silence equals consent" is the ultimate lib unity.


" 'Silence equals consent' " is the ultimate lib unity" is the ultimate white fragility copout.
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Postby Blue Nagia » Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:28 pm

Fahran wrote:
Kowani wrote:Pokémon has like 5 different evolution frameworks, and i would recommend citing none of them in a bio class under any circumstances.

I'm tempted to make you present your research because that'd be hilarious, but we'd probably get really off-topic if I did that.


Okay, I'd actually read this though. Not in this topic, but as its own thing.


Saiwania wrote:The economic arguments in favor of immigration don't persuade me, because on the social issues at the end of the day- the immigrants coming in don't look like the already existing locals and have a vastly different culture. Hence, I don't want those newcomers changing the character of where I live and more in favor of theirs at the expense of mine.

I have a nationalistic and limited view of what I want my country and home to be.


That's a pretty selfish desire, and so realising it is entirely on you, tbh.

If you want a home where everyone looks like you and has the same ideals and character, build a commune. Your desire to live a parochial life where the existence of brown folks doesn't bother you (because ugh, those brown folks, right? /s) has to be counterbalanced with the fact that you live in society, and society ought to prioritise the most needy, not the comfort of those who are already comfortable and want to stay that way.

Societies that try to run on this plan generally become autarchies, where everything is run exactly to the leader's comfort. These people think, if you had absolute power, why wouldn't you remake the world to your will? Then they forget about all the other millions or billions in their country who have more pressing needs, and then we get revolutions.

If you don't like revolutions or brown people, make a tiny white community out in the sticks, but don't expect society (which has a lot of non-white people in it) to bend over backwards so you don't have to see them.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:34 pm

Postauthoritarian America wrote:
Odreria wrote:"Silence equals consent" is the ultimate lib unity.


" 'Silence equals consent' " is the ultimate lib unity" is the ultimate white fragility copout.


Silence is cowardice. Idk if it's consent but it sure isn't brave.
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Postby Luminesa » Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:22 pm

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Wait...You're from New Orleans?
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Postby Suriyanakhon » Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:28 pm

Tsarus 2142 wrote:Traits such as:
-Intuition, gnosis, other spiritual capabilities
-Intelligence
-Certain personality traits which are deemed noble
-Being of a higher "caste", ties in with the last point


All of these are ridiculous and the reason that no one takes Nordicism seriously anymore. Castes have existed in every society, none of them were linked to having blonde hair and blue eyes in recorded history (except for whatever Himmler attempted). And non-Nordic people are as capable of spirituality as Nordics are.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Sat Apr 10, 2021 8:54 pm

Tsarus 2142 wrote:I've met a lot of White Supremacists.

The one I am most familiar with are what I blanket term as Nordicists, who believe a specific type of white person (usually the nords and germanics, yknow Aryans) may have certain traits which other ethnic groups are incapable of producing.

Traits such as:
-Intuition, gnosis, other spiritual capabilities
-Intelligence
-Certain personality traits which are deemed noble
-Being of a higher "caste", ties in with the last point
And more... I honestly have a hard time listing everything because it's such a complicated conglomeration of stuff. There's no central text which I can cite here.

But I have noticed that much of the time these people are not unintelligent trailer park hicks, nor buffoonish (or, ignoble in their words) racists who harass random black people at the store, etc.
Typically they really do have much to say. They value success, whether physical or intellectual or temporal (related to money etc.) or... with women if you will. Their behavior tends to be, as they might say it, noble, they do not explicitly judge others and are not really rude outside of banter. And they truly have a lot of nuance which backs up many of their beliefs, including on race.
Another thing is that they all would prefer to return to a bronze age or paleolithic era. They believe the modern world has disrupted the natural order with it's own artificial "order".
A very interesting and IMO underrepresented "neonazi" community. I wonder why.....

The more surface level parts of this community can be found revolving around Varg Vikernes or Survive the Jive... yeah they're usually pagans too. Or gnostics (which I've started to embrace).


I'm... just gonna say. Survive the Jive is pretty much a literal neo-nazi. He's not some kind of 'noble scholar of ancient mystery.' He's a Neo-Nazi who only hasn't joined the AFA because he thinks they're too formal.
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Postby Sundiata » Sat Apr 10, 2021 9:32 pm

Drew Durrnil wrote:
Sundiata Keita wrote:If one expresses their views considering themselves higher than another, it can be considered free speech, but the problem comes with violence and harassing others because they look different.

but why are they better

It's their wrong opinion that they're better.
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Postby Odreria » Sat Apr 10, 2021 10:46 pm

Postauthoritarian America wrote:
Odreria wrote:"Silence equals consent" is the ultimate lib unity.


" 'Silence equals consent' " is the ultimate lib unity" is the ultimate white fragility copout.

You missed the point completely, which indicates that it is saturday.
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Postby Fahran » Sat Apr 10, 2021 10:51 pm

Suriyanakhon wrote:Bold to assume I can't just take your ponies away and put them on top of the refrigerator. :^)

Bold to assume you won't blow away with a light breeze with stray cats chasing after you. :^)

Odreria wrote:You missed the point completely, which indicates that it is saturday.

Perhaps you ought to elaborate a touch. I'm curious to see where you take this.
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Postby Odreria » Sat Apr 10, 2021 10:55 pm

Fahran wrote:
Odreria wrote:You missed the point completely, which indicates that it is saturday.

Perhaps you ought to elaborate a touch. I'm curious to see where you take this.

It was a stupid PCM joke not an argument
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Postby Drongonia » Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:27 am

Yes. If it's just words, why not? Anti-Whites and supremacists of all other races have the ability to do so.

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Postby Cancolastan » Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:29 am

And this is a problem because?

This is literally how nations were run 60-80 years ago, and it truly worked wonders for the inhabitants of said nation. However, I am NOT saying people cannot live happy lives, I wish everyone to be able to live long, happy lives, have a family, that sort of stuff, but not in a nation that is not native to ones own.

So to answer the question, yes. And if this was implemented, why not enforce it for people speaking against European decent?
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Postby Resilient Acceleration » Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:55 am

Cancolastan wrote:And this is a problem because?

This is literally how nations were run 60-80 years ago, and it truly worked wonders for the inhabitants of said nation. However, I am NOT saying people cannot live happy lives, I wish everyone to be able to live long, happy lives, have a family, that sort of stuff, but not in a nation that is not native to ones own.

So to answer the question, yes. And if this was implemented, why not enforce it for people speaking against European decent?

"Native" is pretty time-subjective considering, for example, Black people arrives in America before many Italian or Irish migrants. Also, much of America's economic power—especially in the tech and scientific sector—are built by immigrants, simply because the top talents of India, China, et al found America to be a far better place to live and create businesses in, and thus came in flock at the expense of their home country.

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Postby New haven america » Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:55 am

Cancolastan wrote:And this is a problem because?

This is literally how nations were run 60-80 years ago, and it truly worked wonders for the inhabitants of said nation. However, I am NOT saying people cannot live happy lives, I wish everyone to be able to live long, happy lives, have a family, that sort of stuff, but not in a nation that is not native to ones own.

So to answer the question, yes. And if this was implemented, why not enforce it for people speaking against European decent?

Ok.

So you wanna kick out all the Americans of European, African, Asian, etc... descent and give it back to the Native Americans?
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Postby Dakini » Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:19 am

Vorausen wrote:I really doubt the accuracy of that map, well for one richer countries would have better transportation resources and would be easier to distribute more tests than say a poorer country. So therefore the richer countries would have more people being tested for their IQ, while poorer countries would have more extremes because of the unbalance caused by not having the same amount of test subjects as the richer nations. That would explain the disparity between the two.

IQ is more a measure of one's ability to take IQ tests and does not necessarily reflect anything inherent about a person's intelligence. The original purpose of IQ tests was to identify children with special needs, not to mass-test people of "normal" or "above average" intelligence in a sort of dick-waving contest. The fact that you can study for them and improve your score should tell anyone that they do not measure anything fundamental about a person.

In addition, the reason that people in richer countries (or wealthier people in these countries) tend to do better has more to do with the environment in which they were raised than anything else. If you took anyone with normal cognitive abilities and placed them into an enriched environment (lots of books, toys, interaction with adults and other children, proper health care, nutrition, education etc) and they will grow up to be more "intelligent". Putting the same person into an un-enriched environment means that they will grow up to be less "intelligent". It is not some innate quality.
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Postby Zurkir » Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:30 am

Postauthoritarian America wrote:
Odreria wrote:"Silence equals consent" is the ultimate lib unity.


" 'Silence equals consent' " is the ultimate lib unity" is the ultimate white fragility copout.


“ “ ‘Silence equals consent' " is the ultimate lib unity" is the ultimate white fragility copout “ is the ultimate lib guilt trip based propaganda.

Continue this chain, please.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:23 am

Cancolastan wrote:And this is a problem because?

This is literally how nations were run 60-80 years ago, and it truly worked wonders for the inhabitants of said nation.


No, it did not. It made life a living hell for many members of our nation who were of a darker skin complexion. Black people, Mexicans, Jews, Arabs, native americans, southern and Eastern Europeans suffered through violence and oppression under the way this particular nation was run 80 years ago and its a good thing it ended. Unless you think Emett Till being kidnapped, mutilated, murdered and dumped in a fucking river is what we call "working wonders." His mother only had an open casket funeral to show the world what white supremacy did to her boy. White supremacy and racial supremacy of all kinds is based on hate and almost always leads to violence. And just so I don't single out only America, we can talk about another country as well. Germany ran its country under a system of extremely vicious white supremacy from 1933 to 1945 and it led to the wholesale slaughter of 11 million Jews, Gypsies, Slavs and other people the nazis weren't fond of. So no, white supremacy didn't work wonders for anyone. It's an evil ideology that needs to be opposed at every turn because when it takes the wheel, people die.
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:27 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Postauthoritarian America wrote:
" 'Silence equals consent' " is the ultimate lib unity" is the ultimate white fragility copout.


Silence is cowardice. Idk if it's consent but it sure isn't brave.


It depends. Maybe the person just isn't a fan of compelled speech.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:29 am

SD_Film Artists wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Silence is cowardice. Idk if it's consent but it sure isn't brave.


It depends. Maybe the person just isn't a fan of compelled speech.


I dont think you should be legally obligated to speak against racism, but it tends to be a good thing to say "I think racism belongs in the garbage."
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:34 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
SD_Film Artists wrote:
It depends. Maybe the person just isn't a fan of compelled speech.


I dont think you should be legally obligated to speak against racism, but it tends to be a good thing to say "I think racism belongs in the garbage."


That much is true. The problem comes when people infer that not signing on to their party politics is tantamount to racism.
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Postby Zurkir » Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:38 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
SD_Film Artists wrote:
It depends. Maybe the person just isn't a fan of compelled speech.


I dont think you should be legally obligated to speak against racism, but it tends to be a good thing to say "I think racism belongs in the garbage."


Of course.

The problem is though that the “silence is cowardice” attitude can cause one’s career/job to come to an end or be regularly stifled if those holding that attitude take the radical approach. Just look at Gina Carano, she made the mistake of thinking her Twitter actually belonged to her and refused to tweet her support for BLM which lead to racism accusations and loss of her work at Disney. And that’s just one simple example.

There aren’t as many people who support actual white supremacy and racism as the ivory tower politicians and busybody activists stamp their feet saying that there is. Hint on the “actual white supremacy and racism”.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:43 am

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The Reformed American Republic wrote:That's old. It was just an edgy comment to get back at someone else's edgy comment. I am a firm believer in free speech, and do not actually support deporting socialists. I'm not a white supremacist either.

So this isn't missed.

Are you trying to get me to respond to that or something?
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