American Politics Thread V: We're Just Biden Our Time ...

[Drongonia]

Or you can ignore it and move on with your life without coping

We're not the ones screaming blue murder about fraud and illegal voters.

"We" - you're Bri'ish, so I guess that's a given but ok

[Vassenor]

We're not the ones screaming blue murder about fraud and illegal voters.

New president my friend. If ya wanna focus on blaming the US president on something, do it on the 46th, aka Biden. Trump aint your president, so move on with it already, or maybe you dont have anything to discuss about so just nit picking small shit to argue is of your taste

We'll move on when the GOP stops using his tantrums as an excuse to strip millions of their right to vote.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Or you can ignore it and move on with your life without coping

We're not the ones screaming blue murder about fraud and illegal voters.

Just like the Democrat Representative from New York challenged the election results supported by Democrat Nancy Pelosi. Just like Democrats challenged the electoral college votes in previous elections including 2016, while claiming Republican vote fraud, like Nancy Pelosi President Obama, Hillary Clinton, Barbara Boxer, Stephany Tubbs Jones and many others, making the same and or exact comments the Republicans did, but I have asked many of you many times to condemn them for it and they all refuse.

There let it not be said I did not defend this post without arguments and links, lol:

From CSPAN 2:
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=de ... &FORM=VIRE

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... r-BB1dqvXA

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=de ... &FORM=VIRE

https://rumble.com/vcembv-flashback-dem ... -and-.html

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bronsonst ... s-n2584336

[Vassenor]

We're not the ones screaming blue murder about fraud and illegal voters.

Just like the Democrat Representative from New York challenged the election results supported by Democrat Nancy Pelosi. Just like Democrats challenged the electoral college votes in previous elections including 2016, while claiming Republican vote fraud, like Nancy Pelosi President Obama, Hillary Clinton, Barbara Boxer, Stephany Tubbs Jones and many others, making the same and or exact comments the Republicans did, but I have asked many of you many times to condemn them for it and they all refuse.

There let it not be said I did not defend this post without arguments and links, lol:

From CSPAN 2:
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=de ... &FORM=VIRE

https://rumble.com/vcembv-flashback-dem ... -and-.html

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=de ... &FORM=VIRE

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... r-BB1dqvXA

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bronsonst ... s-n2584336

Your whataboutism has been noted and discarded. Especially since we already addressed those claims before and you stuck your fingers in your ears and screamed rather than give up your BUT BOTH SIDES narrative.

[Barberria]

We're not the ones screaming blue murder about fraud and illegal voters.

Just like the Democrat Representative from New York challenged the election results supported by Democrat Nancy Pelosi. Just like Democrats challenged the electoral college votes in previous elections including 2016, while claiming Republican vote fraud, like Nancy Pelosi President Obama, Hillary Clinton, Barbara Boxer, Stephany Tubbs Jones and many others, making the same and or exact comments the Republicans did, but I have asked many of you many times to condemn them for it and they all refuse.

There let it not be said I did not defend this post without arguments and links, lol:

From CSPAN 2:
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=de ... &FORM=VIRE

https://rumble.com/vcembv-flashback-dem ... -and-.html

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=de ... &FORM=VIRE

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... r-BB1dqvXA

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bronsonst ... s-n2584336

For 2016 specifically: FBI corroborated possible fraud. He tried to stop releases. There is no evidence to fraud in the 2020 election. Many political scholars see it as one of the cleaner elections in history.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Just like the Democrat Representative from New York challenged the election results supported by Democrat Nancy Pelosi. Just like Democrats challenged the electoral college votes in previous elections including 2016, while claiming Republican vote fraud, like Nancy Pelosi President Obama, Hillary Clinton, Barbara Boxer, Stephany Tubbs Jones and many others, making the same and or exact comments the Republicans did, but I have asked many of you many times to condemn them for it and they all refuse.

There let it not be said I did not defend this post without arguments and links, lol:

From CSPAN 2:
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=de ... &FORM=VIRE

https://rumble.com/vcembv-flashback-dem ... -and-.html

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=de ... &FORM=VIRE

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... r-BB1dqvXA

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bronsonst ... s-n2584336

Your whataboutism has been noted and discarded. Especially since we already addressed those claims before and you stuck your fingers in your ears and screamed rather than give up your BUT BOTH SIDES narrative.

The videos speak for themselves, the videos speak for the Hypocrite Democrats as proven by President Trump's defense lawyers, one of the reasons you guys did not make your case against President Trump. Republican President Trump for emphasis.

I knew I would not get any credit for this post with arguments and links, lol. Nothing I or any of us posts with arguments and links gets any credit, anyway lol again.

[Picairn]

Just like the Democrat Representative from New York challenged the election results supported by Democrat Nancy Pelosi. Just like Democrats challenged the electoral college votes in previous elections including 2016, while claiming Republican vote fraud, like Nancy Pelosi President Obama, Hillary Clinton, Barbara Boxer, Stephany Tubbs Jones and many others, making the same and or exact comments the Republicans did, but I have asked many of you many times to condemn them for it and they all refuse.

There let it not be said I did not defend this post without arguments and links, lol:

From CSPAN 2:
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=de ... &FORM=VIRE

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... r-BB1dqvXA

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=de ... &FORM=VIRE

https://rumble.com/vcembv-flashback-dem ... -and-.html

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bronsonst ... s-n2584336

Comparing 2000 to 2020 is a demonstrably false equivalency. In the 2000 election, Bush won Florida and thereby the election by just several hundred votes, amidst the issues of "hanging chads" and the Supreme Court intervening to stop the Florida recount. In no way does that compare to the 2020 election where Biden won several battleground states with an EC margin of 306-232, a blowout according to Trump.

Not to mention that the Dems never pressed the issue after the counting was done, and the Dem candidates conceded rather quickly. Meanwhile, Trump and Republicans repeated the Big Lie until it results in the Jan. 6 insurrection.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Just like the Democrat Representative from New York challenged the election results supported by Democrat Nancy Pelosi. Just like Democrats challenged the electoral college votes in previous elections including 2016, while claiming Republican vote fraud, like Nancy Pelosi President Obama, Hillary Clinton, Barbara Boxer, Stephany Tubbs Jones and many others, making the same and or exact comments the Republicans did, but I have asked many of you many times to condemn them for it and they all refuse.

There let it not be said I did not defend this post without arguments and links, lol:

From CSPAN 2:
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=de ... &FORM=VIRE

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... r-BB1dqvXA

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=de ... &FORM=VIRE

https://rumble.com/vcembv-flashback-dem ... -and-.html

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bronsonst ... s-n2584336

Comparing 2000 to 2020 is a demonstrably false equivalency. In the 2000 election, Bush won Florida and thereby the election by just several hundred votes, amidst the issues of "hanging chads" and the Supreme Court intervening to stop the Florida recount. In no way does that compare to the 2020 election where Biden won several battleground states with an EC margin of 306-232, a blowout according to Trump.

Not to mention that the Dems never pressed the issue after the counting was done, and the Dem candidates conceded rather quickly. Meanwhile, Trump and Republicans repeated the Big Lie until it results in the Jan. 6 insurrection.

A few also objected to the 2016 electoral college votes for President Trump. Republican President Trump for emphasis. Recently there was an election in New York the Democrats objected too claiming vote fraud and irregularities supported by Democrat Nancy Pelosi and other Democrats. In Politics everything works both ways.

[Kilobugya]

A few also objected to the 2016 electoral college votes for President Trump.

Yes, but that was not a claim there was widespread fraud. That was a political move, because Trump badly lost the popular vote in 2016 (by almost 3 millions votes), and therefore for all the ones (me including) who think that the Electoral College is unfair and a relic of bygone age had a legitimate reason to object. The democrats didn't start inventing "alternative facts" because they didn't like reality, like Trump did in 2020. They made political claims that the one winning the popular vote should be the president, from a pro-democracy point-of-view.

[Picairn]

A few also objected to the 2016 electoral college votes for President Trump. Republican President Trump for emphasis. Recently there was an election in New York the Democrats objected too claiming vote fraud and irregularities supported by Democrat Nancy Pelosi and other Democrats. In Politics everything works both ways.

Again a false equivalency. The 2016 objections were raised by House Democrats and were quickly dismissed because of lack of senatorial support. Biden the then-VP dismissed all of them by law and even said "there is no debate". Meanwhile, two Republican objections were formally accepted and put up to vote, one from Ted Cruz (R-Texas) for Arizona's EC votes and the other from Josh Hawley (R-Missouri) for Pennsylvania's EC votes. Kelly Loeffler was also going to object until Jan. 6 changed her decision. Again, the Dems never repeated the "The election was stolen" lie until it culminated in an insurrection, and Hillary Clinton quickly conceded to Trump. Furthermore, the Intelligence agencies already concluded that there was, indeed, Russian interference in the election, even if Trump's campaign couldn't be linked to them due to insufficient evidence. The Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee would later confirm the validity of Mueller's report. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/18/us/p ... eport.html

[Greater Miami Shores]

A few also objected to the 2016 electoral college votes for President Trump. Republican President Trump for emphasis. Recently there was an election in New York the Democrats objected too claiming vote fraud and irregularities supported by Democrat Nancy Pelosi and other Democrats. In Politics everything works both ways.

Again a false equivalency. The 2016 objections were raised by House Democrats and were quickly dismissed because of lack of senatorial support. Biden the then-VP dismissed all of them by law and even said "there is no debate". Meanwhile, two Republican objections were formally accepted and put up to vote, one from Ted Cruz (R-Texas) for Arizona's EC votes and the other from Josh Hawley (R-Missouri) for Pennsylvania's EC votes. Kelly Loeffler was also going to object until Jan. 6 changed her decision. Again, the Dems never repeated the "The election was stolen" lie until it culminated in an insurrection, and Hillary Clinton quickly conceded to Trump. Furthermore, the Intelligence agencies already concluded that there was, indeed, Russian interference in the election, even if Trump's campaign couldn't be linked to them due to insufficient evidence. The Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee would later confirm the validity of Mueller's report. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/18/us/p ... eport.html

The Fact is they did the same as the Republicans using the same and or exact words the Republicans used as the videos from CSPAN 2 shows - Posted by you Picairn - The 2016 objections were raised, the point is they were raised by the Democrats, using the same and or exact words the Republicans used. To all of you Please condemn all the Democrats for doing the same the Republicans did, no excuses, thank you?

[Picairn]

The Fact is they did the same as the Republicans using the same and or exact words the Republicans used as the videos from CSPAN 2 shows - Posted by you Picairn - The 2016 objections were raised, the point is they were raised by the Democrats, using the same and or exact words the Republicans used.

It is not, as I have explained to you the major differences between the objections. There was no Democratic storming of the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2017 either. You may now drop the false equivalencies.

[Greater Miami Shores]

The Fact is they did the same as the Republicans using the same and or exact words the Republicans used as the videos from CSPAN 2 shows - Posted by you Picairn - The 2016 objections were raised, the point is they were raised by the Democrats, using the same and or exact words the Republicans used.

It is not, as I have explained to you the major differences between the objections. There was no Democratic storming of the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2017 either. You may now drop the false equivalencies.

No false equivalencies, as I have explained to you and the others. The recent New York challenge to the election results by the Democrats is just one example, supported by Democrat Nancy Pelosi. I have condemned the right wing violence and leftist violence by the certain ones who did on both sides, have you, have any of you, please answer the questions, thank you? Peace over and out for now.

[Kilobugya]

The Fact is they did the same as the Republicans using the same and or exact words the Republicans used as the videos from CSPAN 2 shows - Posted by you Picairn - The 2016 objections were raised, the point is they were raised by the Democrats, using the same and or exact words the Republicans used. To all of you Please condemn all the Democrats for doing the same the Republicans did, thank you?

Again, a very superficial similarity don't make the situations comparable at all.

Did Trump win the popular vote in 2016 ? No. Did Biden win the popular vote in 2020 ? Yes.

Did the Democrats call for "trial by combat" just before a mob violently stormed the capital killing people in 2016 ? No. Did the GOP do that in 2020 ? Yes.

Did the Democrats object massive to certifying the election, both in House and Senate, forcing several votes in both chambers ? No. Did the GOP do that in 2020 ? Yes.

Did the Democrats spread massive lies for months and months about "massive fraud" without giving a single evidence towards it ? No. Did the GOP do that in 2020 ? Yes.

Your "but both side are the same" is a bit like if you have one person shoplifting a piece of bread once because he's hungry and has no money, and then another person doing regular armed robberies, and you say "'they are both thieves". By completly ignoring the scope of the actions and the circumstances in which they occur you draw an equality sign between two completely different things.

[Picairn]

No false equivalencies, as I have explained to you and the others.

And I have debunked all of them in detail. The reason I even replied to your posts in the first place is that I did not want anyone who is unfamiliar with you to buy into your false equivalencies. Otherwise I wouldn't have cared.

The recent New York challenge to the election results by the Democrats is just one example, supported by Democrat Nancy Pelosi.

Links or I call BS.

I have condemned the right wing violence and leftist violence by the certain ones who did on both sides, have you, have any of you, please answer the questions, thank you? Peace over and out for now.

Irrelevant.

[Bombadil]

If your only evidence for something being true is "Dear Leader said so" then you need to seriously reevaluate your standards.

There is nothing wrong with my so called Dear Leader Republican President Trump of the USA. It is called Democracy.

Actually democracy is being able to criticise leaders and vote them out, which is what happened, despite unconstitutional attempts to override free and fair elections. It requires an understanding of truth and fact, which is why free speech is important in terms of providing differing viewpoints but we should all still take care to discern the truth rather than adhere to unwavering and committed support of one individual.

That's why governments like China stomp out criticism, suppress free speech.. because they don't want you to criticise the leader and certainly don't want you to throw them out.

Your moral responsibility as a citizen of a democracy is to educate yourself fully with competing viewpoints rather than blindly adhering to one side alone.

[Greater Miami Shores]

There is nothing wrong with my so called Dear Leader Republican President Trump of the USA. It is called Democracy.

Actually democracy is being able to criticise leaders and vote them out, which is what happened, despite unconstitutional attempts to override free and fair elections. It requires an understanding of truth and fact, which is why free speech is important in terms of providing differing viewpoints but we should all still take care to discern the truth rather than adhere to unwavering and committed support of one individual.

That's why governments like China stomp out criticism, suppress free speech.. because they don't want you to criticise the leader and certainly don't want you to throw them out.

Your moral responsibility as a citizen of a democracy is to educate yourself fully with competing viewpoints rather than blindly adhering to one side alone.

Your statement applies to all of us not just me, this is why I never say I am right and you are wrong on any issues and there is no arguing about it, not even on my native Cuba. President Trump has been a great American President according to my political, economic and social views and of those who strongly agree with me. But I don't have any problems with persons who think differently than me. Republican President Trump for emphasis, back to First Base.

[Kowani]

Rep.-elect Julia Letlow (R-LA) will be sworn into the House by Pelosi (D-CA) at Noon today. She won a special election to fill the vacant House seat her husband Luke Letlow was to be sworn into 5 days before he died of COVID. Once she is sworn into the House, there will be 430 voting members: 218 Democrats, 212 Republicans and 5 vacancies.

[The New California Republic]

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[San Lumen]

Missouri House Rep. Rick Roeber (R) resigns after being accused of sexually abusing his own children

Missouri House leaders on Tuesday said they told law enforcement officials that they're concerned a resigning lawmaker accused of sexually and physically abusing his children years ago may pose a risk to other kids.

House Speaker Rob Vescovo and the leader of the House Ethics Committee in a joint statement said fellow Republican Rep. Rick Roeber's "heinous actions make him not only unfit for office, but should also make him the subject of a thorough investigation by law enforcement." Roeber submitted a letter of resignation Tuesday signaling that his last day will be Friday. He did not mention the allegations against him.

"With his resignation today, we take an important step to protect the integrity of the House as an institution, but it's far more important that we do all we can to seek justice for his children and to ensure he never again causes harm to another child," House leaders wrote. "His resignation allows him to walk away from his duties as a representative, but we cannot allow him to once again walk away from the children he victimized."

Roeber did not immediately return an Associated Press request for comment Tuesday.

Roeber in his letter of resignation said he needs to move out of state to be closer to family and cited that as the reason for his departure from the Legislature. He said he plans to move after he marries his fiancé.

Roeber's adult children first spoke publicly of the abuse to the Kansas City Star, which published details in September 2020.

Voters in suburban Kansas City elected Roeber in November 2020 to succeed his late wife, Republican Rep. Rebecca Roeber. She died in 2019.

After his election, Roeber's children wrote a letter begging Vescovo to prevent him from serving.

"To think that this man would have a say over laws that impact thousands of children is just too much," according to the letter signed by three of his children. "A man like this does not deserve the high honor of serving in our government. "

House Republicans banned him from their caucus, and the House Ethics Committee launched an investigation. Vescovo and Ethics Committee Chairman Travis Fitzwater in the joint statement said the committee found the allegations against Roeber credible.

The committee is scheduled to release a full report on the investigation next week and "will continue to communicate with law enforcement on this matter."

That is truly sickening. I hope he faces charges.

[The New California Republic]

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[Vassenor]

Actually democracy is being able to criticise leaders and vote them out, which is what happened, despite unconstitutional attempts to override free and fair elections. It requires an understanding of truth and fact, which is why free speech is important in terms of providing differing viewpoints but we should all still take care to discern the truth rather than adhere to unwavering and committed support of one individual.

That's why governments like China stomp out criticism, suppress free speech.. because they don't want you to criticise the leader and certainly don't want you to throw them out.

Your moral responsibility as a citizen of a democracy is to educate yourself fully with competing viewpoints rather than blindly adhering to one side alone.

Your statement applies to all of us not just me, this is why I never say I am right and you are wrong on any issues and there is no arguing about it, not even on my native Cuba. President Trump has been a great American President according to my political, economic and social views and of those who strongly agree with me. But I don't have any problems with persons who think differently than me. Republican President Trump for emphasis, back to First Base.

We keep going back to first because you're constantly refusing to accept you might be wrong.

[Lamoni]

Just like Something doesn't become true just because you believe it to be.

"NO YOU!" - Every single GMS post ever. Not exaggerating.

Honestly, stop indulging him everyone. He is never going to have anything interesting or original to say.

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Sorry my apologies to you, many persons have stated to me directly and indirectly their posts on this article are Facts. I am counter arguing that because they say its Facts it does not make it a fact, but I am also arguing Facts are Facts according to our views this is a Fact. This applies to all of us and off NS, it is called Human Nature. No one agrees with any persons on any issues they strongly disagree with, especially on Politics, it is called Human Nature, my last back and forth Post on this. I will strongly consider doing my regional Polls on these questions opened to all persons on NS. Peace over and out. GMS.

Do you simply have things on auto reply? why can't you engage in meaningful debate like everyone else? Do you think this adds to the conversation?

To prove how absurd your argument is just because you believe the presidential election was rigged and somehow missed every election and the Georgia runoffs were as well despite the latter having someone run them who is a Republican doesn't make it true. Facts are it was a free and fair election and you are simply incapable of accepting your lost.

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[Picairn]

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[Picairn]

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