Former Nuncio Viganò warns of Great Reset

[Major-Tom]

A nut job colleague of mine used to try to forward me emails on this topic, actually. He is also a raging anti-semitic, lunatic conspiracy theorist who believes "the jews are out to get him."

I would reckon this conspiracy theory is no different than all the other bizarre ones we see nowadays. *shrugs*

[Lost Memories]

People talking and making cospiracies about The Great Reset.
Anyone remembers the Green New Deal ?

Aren't those two things basically the same?
(or rather, the great reset a poor rebranding of the former)

[Sundiata]

Vigano talks too much. He will never be made a cardinal.

[Grenartia]

What's next? Did Bigfoot assassinate JFK to warn Kurt Cobain about the moon landings being a front for the Illuminati Lizard Overlords invading Earth?

[Sundiata]

What's next? Did Bigfoot assassinate JFK to warn Kurt Cobain about the moon landings being a front for the Illuminati Lizard Overlords invading Earth?

He needs to stop.

[SD_Film Artists]

and be required to take any vaccines and medical treatments the authorities demand of you.

Free healthcare? Oh the humanity!

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

The Catholic Church has no leg to stand on when it comes to denouncing "evil" forces considering all the abuse scandals and coverups.

[Servilis]

Aside from all the Conspiracies, the fact that people are insisting that we need a Great Reset just means Capitalism isn't justified,

[Borderlands of Rojava]

A nut job colleague of mine used to try to forward me emails on this topic, actually. He is also a raging anti-semitic, lunatic conspiracy theorist who believes "the jews are out to get him."

I would reckon this conspiracy theory is no different than all the other bizarre ones we see nowadays. *shrugs*

What is it about the Jews that makes them the centerpiece of conspiracy theories? Why is it never like the Irish or Ukrainians or some other group?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

The Catholic Church has no leg to stand on when it comes to denouncing "evil" forces considering all the abuse scandals and coverups.

Religion is one of the greatest evils out there. Anything that forces you to accept unproven narratives without facts cannot be good for you.

[Sundiata]

A nut job colleague of mine used to try to forward me emails on this topic, actually. He is also a raging anti-semitic, lunatic conspiracy theorist who believes "the jews are out to get him."

I would reckon this conspiracy theory is no different than all the other bizarre ones we see nowadays. *shrugs*

What is it about the Jews that makes them the centerpiece of conspiracy theories? Why is it never like the Irish or Ukrainians or some other group?

The Jewish people were initially blamed for killing Christ and later came to be associated with ursury. There is a long history of anti-semitism. There's traces of it even amongst saints like John Chrysostom who spoke harshly of their religious practices. However, I believe that the unfortunate hatred towards jewish people as an ethnic group is a more recent phenomenon.

[Luminesa]

The Catholic Church has no leg to stand on when it comes to denouncing "evil" forces considering all the abuse scandals and coverups.

Going to say, as I mentioned earlier, that Viganò’s idea of a “great reset” is not representative of the rest of the Church. The abuse scandals are terrible, and an enormous gashing wound into the Church, but the Church during this pandemic has been pushing for people to wear masks, to listen to health guidelines, and to pray for a vaccine to come quickly. Nuncio Viganò’s idea of a “Great Reset” is not approved by the rest of the Church, up to and including the Pope.

[Sundiata]

The Catholic Church has no leg to stand on when it comes to denouncing "evil" forces considering all the abuse scandals and coverups.

The abuses should have never happened. That said, the church is the best we've got. It's the only institution on Earth with unchanging accountability. Vigano is just being a troublemaker. He wants attention.

[Luminesa]

The Catholic Church has no leg to stand on when it comes to denouncing "evil" forces considering all the abuse scandals and coverups.

Religion is one of the greatest evils out there. Anything that forces you to accept unproven narratives without facts cannot be good for you.

The Church isn’t forcing anyone to accept this unproven narrative, because Viganò’s view is not representative of the rest of the Church. The Church has also been working on overtime this year, between fighting for an end to racism, the Pope calling for people to follow health guidelines and to actually work together as a people in his latest encyclical, and giving basically the only support the people in Central America have had during a historic and brutal hurricane season. Tell me what is evil about Catholic Relief Services being the first organization down in Nicaragua to help people who have lost everything, or about the Knights of Columbus helping poor and disadvantaged families, or about the religious orders in the US that have worked hard to help black and Native communities with healthcare, education, and basic needs.

Viganò is creating a scandal, making people believe that the Church is pushing against a vaccine when it is not. Plan and simple.

[Nakena]

The Great Reset is extremely worrying, it's essentially the final stage of neoliberalism, wherein everything is commodified.

Ironically, other people who have been complaining about the Great Reset said it's socialist in nature.

Which I'd honestly rather doubt.

[Ifreann]

A nut job colleague of mine used to try to forward me emails on this topic, actually. He is also a raging anti-semitic, lunatic conspiracy theorist who believes "the jews are out to get him."

I would reckon this conspiracy theory is no different than all the other bizarre ones we see nowadays. *shrugs*

What is it about the Jews that makes them the centerpiece of conspiracy theories? Why is it never like the Irish or Ukrainians or some other group?

Well Christianity wasn't going to take off in Ancient Rome if Christians didn't find someone other than the Romans to blame for that whole thing with Jesus getting crucified. And even after people got over that(though lots of weirdos haven't), Jews are both present everywhere and also always a minority. Suits narratives about outsiders destroying the nation form within.

[Sundiata]

Vigano is a nutjob, not much to say. It's very fitting for him to be running these conspiracy theories.
If only someone up there in the catholic hierarchy had the decency of deflocking him, and be done once for all with his madness.

He hasn't done anything warranting it.

He's accused his holiness of the utmost evil. This sort of slander towards Saint Peter's successor? The stoking of conspiracy theory? Unacceptable. Vigano needs to be defrocked.

[Sundiata]

Vigano must go.

[Autumn Wind]

What is it about the Jews that makes them the centerpiece of conspiracy theories? Why is it never like the Irish or Ukrainians or some other group?

Well Christianity wasn't going to take off in Ancient Rome if Christians didn't find someone other than the Romans to blame for that whole thing with Jesus getting crucified. And even after people got over that(though lots of weirdos haven't), Jews are both present everywhere and also always a minority. Suits narratives about outsiders destroying the nation form within.

Agree. Almost every country has some ethnic/racial/religious/cultural minority that gets dumped on and blamed for social problems, but these are tied to particular national/historical contexts and rarely find broader purchase. Global superpowers, like the USA, USSR, or Britain or Ottomans in their day are nonetheless fleeting in a historical sense, and so their popularity as targets of blame for the evils of the world tends to wane. Large international corporations are in the same boat. Jews, on the other hand, by being a minority everywhere since forever, are one of the few groups that can serve as a gift-that-keeps on giving scapegoat for peoples the world over.

[Pope Saint Peter the Apostle]

A nut job colleague of mine used to try to forward me emails on this topic, actually. He is also a raging anti-semitic, lunatic conspiracy theorist who believes "the jews are out to get him."

I would reckon this conspiracy theory is no different than all the other bizarre ones we see nowadays. *shrugs*

What is it about the Jews that makes them the centerpiece of conspiracy theories? Why is it never like the Irish or Ukrainians or some other group?

Since their exodus from the Roman province of Judea (modern-day Israel, roughly) in the 2nd century CE after the failed Bar Kokhba revolt, Jews have faced persecution. As The Lord Sacks Kt (Chief Rabbi of the UK from 1991 to 2013) put it: anti-Semitism has succesfully mutated over the centuries in order to continue existing. For a long-time in Europe, Jews were hated because of their religion (religious anti-Semitism), including the accussation that Jews collectively were "Christ-killers". There are countless examples of this, including the Catholic Church, but also figures like Martin Luther. However, after the Enlightenment, this was no longer socially acceptable, and hence anti-Semites introduced scientific racism, trying to prove why Jews were genetically inferior in some way or the other. This was of course the foundation of Hitler's anti-Semitism, which lead him to murder 6 million Jews. It has been argued, and I would agree with this, that anti-Semitism has since used the State of Israel to create a new form of anti-Semitism. It's quite uncontroversial that this has happened in countries like Iraq, where Jews fled from in massive numbers (going from 156,000 Jews in 1947 to 4 in 2020) after the government started persecuting Jews over their disagreement with Israel (something that happened across the Middle East and Northern Africa). However, its application to more modern anti-Zionist movements is more controversial and outside the scope of this thread's discussion.

As to why Jews specifically, there has been a lot of discussion. Often it is agreed that the fact that Jews have always been in the minority in every country they have lived in since their expulsion from Judea (except for Israel nowadays, obviously) has made them easy targets. The problem, though, with trying to rationalise anti-Semitism, both historical and present, is that it's inherently irrational—supposedly, for example, Jews are both behind capitalism and communism.

[Nakena]

He hasn't done anything warranting it.

He's accused his holiness of the utmost evil. This sort of slander towards Saint Peter's successor? The stoking of conspiracy theory? Unacceptable. Vigano needs to be defrocked.

Didn got Richard Williamson also in trouble over his comments regarding the Holocaust?

[Pope Saint Peter the Apostle]

He's accused his holiness of the utmost evil. This sort of slander towards Saint Peter's successor? The stoking of conspiracy theory? Unacceptable. Vigano needs to be defrocked.

Didn got Richard Williamson also in trouble over his comments regarding the Holocaust?

His denial of the Holocaust was one of the events that lead to the Pope reinstating his excommunication, yeah.

[Pulsroth]

I'm ever so slightly staggered that the Catholic Church actually care about defending humanity from the threat posed by the Great Reset, given the rampant sex abuse scandals.

That said, Viganò is doing the world a favour by attempting to inform more apathetic people about this.

[Vetalia]

He hasn't done anything warranting it.

He's accused his holiness of the utmost evil. This sort of slander towards Saint Peter's successor? The stoking of conspiracy theory? Unacceptable. Vigano needs to be defrocked.

Laicization is an extreme penalty and completely unjustified, Sundiata. The Pope made a very controversial statement that could be interpreted wrongly regarding approval of a great moral evil in the eyes of the Church and Vigano called him out on it...remember that the Pope isn't God, Sundiata and although we have an obligation of obedience we also have a moral responsibility to also adhere to the moral truth of the Catholic Church.

I would say, though, that Vigano calling Pope Francis by Bergoglio reeks of sedevacantist thought and I do not support that. Pope Francis for all his faults has been a very strong proponent of the Sacrament of Penance as well as staunchly anti-abortion for all of his faults.

[Aeritai]

I'm ever so slightly staggered that the Catholic Church actually care about defending humanity from the threat posed by the Great Reset, given the rampant sex abuse scandals.

That said, Viganò is doing the world a favour by attempting to inform more apathetic people about this.

Look I'm not even Catholic myself... But there have been many Catholic users on this thread that have said Vigano doesn't represent the entire Catholic Church.