Accelerationism

[Debate Proxy 1]

No, I haven't actually read that one. Do you have a link?

As for socialist Native Americans, it is my understanding that Marx got the basis of his ideas about it from Ancient Society, a book by an American anthropologist describing the society of the Iroquois and other tribes. They did own property in common.

It starts talking about capital relations in section 5. Sections 1-4 are a bit of historical context.

Marx also distinguished "primitive communism", a.k.a tribal mutual aid, from post-capitalist communist society. They have some limited similarities, but the way they form isn't really comparable.

Mainly because of what Marx called "the tyranny of the machine." Industries run on their own schedules, and it has to be timed perfectly to function.

[Lost Memories]

"We should make people's lives miserable so they accept my political ideology."

Leftism is honestly monstrous.

Most leftists aren't accelerationists.

Lately most leftists don't even seem to oppose unchecked capitalism.

They are too busy on faux social issues as if it was a matter of survival.
So going back to your previous point, people aren't going to oppose the excesses of capitalism if they are distracted enough (be it from survival, or faux social issues) We are already at that stage. Most people are already apathetic about their own work conditions, the work conditions of others and their role as mindless consumers.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Most leftists aren't accelerationists.

Lately most leftists don't even seem to oppose unchecked capitalism.

They are too busy on faux social issues as if it was a matter of survival.
So going back to your previous point, people aren't going to oppose the excesses of capitalism if they are distracted enough (be it from survival, or faux social issues) We are already at that stage. Most people are already apathetic about their own work conditions, the work conditions of others and their role as mindless consumers.

People virtue signal. They'll say things like "yeah I'm worried about global warming" while living 50 miles from their job in a McMansion and driving a hummer.

[Nuroblav]

Lately most leftists don't even seem to oppose unchecked capitalism.

They are too busy on faux social issues as if it was a matter of survival.
So going back to your previous point, people aren't going to oppose the excesses of capitalism if they are distracted enough (be it from survival, or faux social issues) We are already at that stage. Most people are already apathetic about their own work conditions, the work conditions of others and their role as mindless consumers.

People virtue signal. They'll say things like "yeah I'm worried about global warming" while living 50 miles from their job in a McMansion and driving a hummer.

That me reminds me of one day when there was a climate change protest, and my dad said 'well how did they get there? I bet they drove here.' or something like that.

I find that a lot of people carry these views as a good-guy-badge, so they can say 'Look at me I'm such a good person!' Alas, it is easier said than done.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

People virtue signal. They'll say things like "yeah I'm worried about global warming" while living 50 miles from their job in a McMansion and driving a hummer.

That me reminds me of one day when there was a climate change protest, and my dad said 'well how did they get there? I bet they drove here.' or something like that.

I find that a lot of people carry these views as a good-guy-badge, so they can say 'Look at me I'm such a good person!' Alas, it is easier said than done.

My dad was like "if youre so ardent about black lives matter, why don't we move back to Mount Clemens?" I'm like "I lived in Ypsilanti for two years, and I would do it again. Besides, the town we live in is mostly white, hispanic, arab and albanian, and it's still shit despite there being few black people around these parts."

[Kowani]

Lately most leftists don't even seem to oppose unchecked capitalism.

They are too busy on faux social issues as if it was a matter of survival.
So going back to your previous point, people aren't going to oppose the excesses of capitalism if they are distracted enough (be it from survival, or faux social issues) We are already at that stage. Most people are already apathetic about their own work conditions, the work conditions of others and their role as mindless consumers.

People virtue signal. They'll say things like "yeah I'm worried about global warming" while living 50 miles from their job in a McMansion and driving a hummer.

Reminder that 100 corporations produce 70% of all emissions worldwide.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

People virtue signal. They'll say things like "yeah I'm worried about global warming" while living 50 miles from their job in a McMansion and driving a hummer.

Reminder that 100 corporations produce 70% of all emissions worldwide.

Cool. That leaves 30%, of which 0% is solved by telling ev everyone you want change while doing nothing to stop climate change.

And what are those corporations? Big oil, the car companies etc. Do you think they would be polluting the world as much if they had less customers? Less people buying cars and driving? Think about that. You can't just say "but the corporations" to excuse hypocrisy.

[Polio]

The idea you should deliberately make things worse for everyday people to bring about a hypothetical revolution to create a hypothetically better society is both unethical and stupid. You see Accelerationism appear in all different types of ideologies. I knew a religious lady who voted for Obama because she thought he was evil and would "bring about the end times" because that's what she thought America deserved at the time. Delusional yes, but not much more delusional than being a communist or anarchist.

[Greed and Death]

Accelerationism is the gateway to fascism those advocating for it need to be subject to extreme censor.

[Thanatttynia]

If your problem with encouraging violent social collapse is that the half-dead starving masses that such a collapse will engender do not have enough revolutionary potential to be useful to you, you are ideologically possessed.

[Major-Tom]

Accelerationism exists under the assumption that capitalism should fail, which it should not.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Considering that people will choose stability over freedom and will prioritize necessities, it's not likely to work. And considering modern capitalist society is rather Fukuyamaist in this sense, and that many say capitalism has "won", it's even more unlikely. There's a saying or a quote or something that says that it's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Accelerationism exists under the assumption that capitalism should fail, which it should not.

It absolutley should. Whilst there are benefits to certain levels and degrees of capitalism, they aren't inherent and could be replicated in other systems without all of capitalisms excesses.

[SD_Film Artists]

People virtue signal. They'll say things like "yeah I'm worried about global warming" while living 50 miles from their job in a McMansion and driving a hummer.

Reminder that 100 corporations produce 70% of all emissions worldwide.

That, and having a child worse for your 'carbon footprint' than driving a Hummer.

[Novus America]

Accelerationism exists under the assumption that capitalism should fail, which it should not.

It absolutley should. Whilst there are benefits to certain levels and degrees of capitalism, they aren't inherent and could be replicated in other systems without all of capitalisms excesses.

All the systems that successfully control the excesses of capitalism, like the Nordic Model are still capitalism.
Capitalism is a loose concept, not a rigid ideology.
That is the issue with trying to “make it fall”, it does not fall per se, because it is based on human impulses.

But we can and many places do have “capitalism” without the excesses of unconstrained post modern neoliberalism.

[Novus America]

If your problem with encouraging violent social collapse is that the half-dead starving masses that such a collapse will engender do not have enough revolutionary potential to be useful to you, you are ideologically possessed.

Here is accelerationist logic.
German Shepard’s can be very dangerous if improperly trained an disciplined. But can be great dogs if handled well. If I have a well handled one it makes them look good, but if I have a poorly handled one that kills me it makes them look bad.
Therefore I purposely abuse a German Shepard to make it unnecessarily violent and dangerous, causing it to kill my family, in hopes that if it kills my family it will make people more likely to ban German Shepards in the future.

Obviously this is utterly batshit insane.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Accelerationists are like people who drink hot water on a hot day, but more dangerous. You know what I mean.

[Washington Resistance Army]

It absolutley should. Whilst there are benefits to certain levels and degrees of capitalism, they aren't inherent and could be replicated in other systems without all of capitalisms excesses.

All the systems that successfully control the excesses of capitalism, like the Nordic Model are still capitalism.
Capitalism is a loose concept, not a rigid ideology.
That is the issue with trying to “make it fall”, it does not fall per se, because it is based on human impulses.

But we can and many places do have “capitalism” without the excesses of unconstrained post modern neoliberalism.

The Nordic Model does not go nearly far enough.

[Novus America]

All the systems that successfully control the excesses of capitalism, like the Nordic Model are still capitalism.
Capitalism is a loose concept, not a rigid ideology.
That is the issue with trying to “make it fall”, it does not fall per se, because it is based on human impulses.

But we can and many places do have “capitalism” without the excesses of unconstrained post modern neoliberalism.

The Nordic Model does not go nearly far enough.

Debatable (it already achieves the highest living standards of anything tried, although of course should be improved) but nothing that is not in some way capitalist has been successfully or sustainably done on a large scale. State capitalism is still capitalism.