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How to have a good economy as a communist nation?

Postby Rothnia » Fri Jun 19, 2020 2:38 pm

I created my first communist nation earlier this week, and I’ve read that it’s hard to have a good economy as a communist country. I’ve seen plenty of nations that have entirely state-run economies do pretty well economically, so I know it’s possible. How should I go about doing this?

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Postby Atheris » Fri Jun 19, 2020 2:41 pm

You don't.

In all seriousness, it's really hard to do. I'm the type of person to avoid NS Stats on my RP nation (which isn't even communist). If you do want to have a good economy as a socialist nation, you have to weave your way through issues. There's a whole index of them online, which you should look through to get your economy up.

Increase taxes, don't use capitalism, and promote industry, and you should be fine.
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Jun 19, 2020 2:47 pm

Want one way of doing it that I used? Run your nation as a capitalist nation for a long period of time (I'm talking about years here), and then shift to a socialist economy; and the economic hit will more likely be negligible to nonexistent, as it was in my case. I noticed no economic difference when I enacted the Socialism policy via one of the issues, besides income equality rising slightly.

Economic output: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=the ... ensusid=76

And evidence the Socialism policy is active: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=the ... l=policies
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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Jun 19, 2020 2:48 pm

Isn't being communist and having an economy kinda not possible?
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Postby Neuer Deutsches Reich » Fri Jun 19, 2020 2:49 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:Isn't being communist and having an economy kinda not possible?

oof. Karl Marx disliked that
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Jun 19, 2020 2:50 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:Isn't being communist and having an economy kinda not possible?

If we are really going to split hairs and be ultra orthodox about it, then yes; hence why the relevant policy in the game is called "Socialism" rather than "Communism".
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Postby Outer Sparta » Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:48 pm

Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/new_socialism.pdf

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Postby Nevertopia » Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:55 pm

Rothnia wrote:I created my first communist nation earlier this week, and I’ve read that it’s hard to have a good economy as a communist country. I’ve seen plenty of nations that have entirely state-run economies do pretty well economically, so I know it’s possible. How should I go about doing this?


the easiest way is to go capitalist. Other than that ive never personally seen a communist nation reach an average benchmark for their economy. The point of communism is NOT having a lot of money so everyone is equal. You're going to have a hard time.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:56 pm

edit-- oh THAT kind of nation.
I don't know, but there is no Communist classification of NS nations.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Fri Jun 19, 2020 10:14 pm

By killing so many of your own people for being counterrevolutionaries that you country is forced to adopt some variant of capitalism to keep your country from starving.
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Postby Drongonia » Fri Jun 19, 2020 10:19 pm

Easiest way is to make a good capitalist nation and then switch further down the line.

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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Fri Jun 19, 2020 10:25 pm

Just wait a few months and focus on building the economy while maintaining communist ideals. You don't need to compromise, I didn't and my economy's not bad at all
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Postby Cisairse » Fri Jun 19, 2020 10:29 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:Isn't being communist and having an economy kinda not possible?

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Postby Noahs Second Country » Fri Jun 19, 2020 10:34 pm

Surprised nobody answered this but the real correct answer is business subsidization.

You can have a state-controlled economy while continuing to fund business, as seen with nations such as https://www.nationstates.net/nation=fauzjhia

Note the high business subsidization and negative economic freedom. There's no need to play capitalist for a communist nation - that's pretty contradictory.
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Postby Czechostan » Sat Jun 20, 2020 12:04 am

Nationstates issues tend to naturally trend toward a good economy. I've several socialist accounts where I answer issues without concern for the economy, and they always end up having strong economies. Unless you're doing things like deindustrialization, your economy will trend upwards if you keep answering issues, albeit at a slower rate that capitalist nations.

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Postby Disgraces » Sat Jun 20, 2020 12:07 am

I managed to do it but I accidentally converted every state run company into private companies and became a filthy centrist
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Postby Eurasies » Sat Jun 20, 2020 12:10 am

Steps to have a prosperous economy in a communist nation :

1 - Stop being a communist
2 - Become a capitalist
3 - Enjoy
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Postby Gensokyo Soviet Fairies Republic » Sat Jun 20, 2020 12:11 am

Just accept that the US would embargo you, put sanctions and ruin your economy no matter what you do.
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Postby Confederate American SU » Sat Jun 20, 2020 12:13 am

Well, I achieved it with low taxes to boot.

Basically, cheat and ignore issues if there are no 'good' options.
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Postby Leratopia » Sat Jun 20, 2020 12:15 am

As a nation with the socialist policy, and an economy labeled "Good", I'd recommend putting funding into subsidizing, and advertising for industry. Once you go socialist, make sure to always side with some businessman who's solution to the issue involves helping his company. Effectively, if you want a socialist economy, that's above average, you're going to have to run it like "state capitalism" Focus on profit for the companies, even though they are now owned by the state. Your taxes will be high, but I don't think there's any way out of that.

Edit: Apparently Confederate American SU managed to do it, with low taxes. So it is possible, if you're patient.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sat Jun 20, 2020 12:16 am

On NS?

I maintain a socialist/stare run economy with huge pizza and soda production.

Just subsidize your state industries without allowing private enterprise

Pour money into the “Commerce” budget while never privatizing. Don’t choose issues that crash the economy. You can get up to economic rating of “All-Consuming” and “Frightening.”

Also, once your communist economy gets rolling, pick a few government priorities besides Commerce and focus on them. This seems to trigger a hidden Keneysian script which furthers your economic production. Don’t over diversify, focus most of your spending on a few selected areas.

For me, I picked Environment and Healthcare. Now whenever I pour more money there, it further boosts the state-run economy.

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Oh and even if you eliminate crime, you can’t get rid of the black market
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Postby Adersfield » Sat Jun 20, 2020 12:17 am

i feel like nationstates should add communism as a system if they have capitalism and socialism

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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Sat Jun 20, 2020 12:17 am

Eurasies wrote:Steps to have a prosperous economy in a communist nation :

1 - Stop being a communist
2 - Become a capitalist
3 - Enjoy

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