Views on Democracy?

[Saxon Anglia]

It all depends on people who make up the democracy and who the voters are. But as a general rule the only truly functioning democracies that have the politicians who actually have the people of the nation's interests in mind instead of some foreign policy, diplomatic orginasation, plot to flood the country with foreigners and then give the foreigners welfare and voting rights to place a stranglehold on power. Standard Corruption. Or just sheer incompetence, the only countries that I can think of that don't have one or more of those problems are maybe Switzerland. Japan.
Uruguay. And maybe czechia and possibly Poland.

That sounds like the American left. They don't care about Americans, they care about making sure immigrants (including the illegal ones) vote for the left by giving the illegal immigrants a whole bunch of money and safety as to outnumber the actual Americans that know better than to vote for the left.

Not only the American left. The European left ("center right" for that matter ) they are Also doing it in canada Britian France Germany Sweden Denmark and pretty much the rest of Europe with the exceptions of poland Hungary Czechia and perhaps Austria.

[Sundiata]

It all depends on people who make up the democracy and who the voters are. But as a general rule the only truly functioning democracies that have the politicians who actually have the people of the nation's interests in mind instead of some foreign policy, diplomatic orginasation, plot to flood the country with foreigners and then give the foreigners welfare and voting rights to place a stranglehold on power. Standard Corruption. Or just sheer incompetence, the only countries that I can think of that don't have one or more of those problems are maybe Switzerland. Japan.
Uruguay. And maybe czechia and possibly Poland.

That sounds like the American left. They don't care about Americans, they care about making sure immigrants (including the illegal ones) vote for the left by giving the illegal immigrants a whole bunch of money and safety as to outnumber the actual Americans that know better than to vote for the left.

I don't think that's true of them, are you really trying to understand the position of the left in good faith?

[Qabea]

I think any form of democracy which is not completely direct can too easily be subverterd by corrupt special intrests. So I stand in an odd place where I can only live with complete democracy, or none at all.

[Agarntrop]

IT IS TIME TO END THE DEMOCRATIC EXPERIMENT

- Sword of Truth

(Private Eye Readers?)

[Zohiania]

Rule by the people is a good thing, however voting may not be the most effective or best way to allocate said power to the people. I find sortition to be a superior means to elect representatives truly of, from and for the people.

[Saint Nicholas and the Hussars]

”The people? You can’t trust the people!”

[Drongonia]

It stinks.

It'd be better if everyone involved was genuinely fighting to impliment ideas which they believed would benefit the nation and its people, but they aren't. They're fighting to keep their jobs, please their donors, and ensure they have a nice career and a hefty pension afterwards.

I would rather be ruled without question by one man or group who genuinely cared for the good of their fellow countrymen than get to walk out once every 3 years and choose between:

[ ] Do you want your country owned by China economically and racially?
[ ] Do you want your country owned by China economically and socially?
[ ] Do you want to be actively discriminated against for being a majority in your country?
[ ] Do you want old people to get more benefits, only because the leader of this party knows the majority of his voters are old?
[ ] Do you want whatever the blue party says, but in yellow?
[ ] Do you want your vote to be thrown in the rubbish because of the MMP vote redistribution system?
[ ] Do you want the a vocal minority sect of the minority group in your country to rule everything?
*All options now come with compulsory bending the knee to China.

Obviously your mileage may vary but the above is my country anyway.

[Agarntrop]

It stinks.

It'd be better if everyone involved was genuinely fighting to impliment ideas which they believed would benefit the nation and its people, but they aren't. They're fighting to keep their jobs, please their donors, and ensure they have a nice career and a hefty pension afterwards.

I would rather be ruled without question by one man or group who genuinely cared for the good of their fellow countrymen than get to walk out once every 3 years and choose between:

[ ] Do you want your country owned by China economically and racially?
[ ] Do you want your country owned by China economically and socially?
[ ] Do you want to be actively discriminated against for being a majority in your country?
[ ] Do you want old people to get more benefits, only because the leader of this party knows the majority of his voters are old?
[ ] Do you want whatever the blue party says, but in yellow?
[ ] Do you want your vote to be thrown in the rubbish because of the MMP vote redistribution system?
[ ] Do you want the a vocal minority sect of the minority group in your country to rule everything?
*All options now come with compulsory bending the knee to China.

Obviously your mileage may vary but the above is my country anyway.

how can a country be "owned racially" what the actual fuck.... this is senator anning tier...

[Drongonia]

how can a country be "owned racially" what the actual fuck.... this is senator anning tier...

Well I'm guessing you're from Australia so it's slightly different there.

But in our biggest city (Auckland), the two groups whose ancestors signed the treaty of Waitangi founding this country are barely the majority anymore, with NZ-Europeans and Maori making up barely 60% of the city they once solely occupied. The primary sources of immigration have been from China, and to a lesser extent India. Am I showing any animosity towards these people? No, not at all - merely acknowledging their presence. For example in 2019, Smith was knocked off its perch for the first time since records began as Singh became Auckland city's most common surname for newborn babies.

Anyway, I don't want to threadjack as this is about democracy, not race.

[The Cosmic Mainframe]

Democracy is good in principle. The people should ultimately decide how they are governed, an those affected by government decisions should have a say in those decisions.

Representative democracy isn't sufficient. People won't know what the people that they vote for actually represent, and if they do it will be reliant on biased media perspectives. Having to choose between candidates often leaves no good choices for voters. Direct democracy can also be very inefficient, but it is better that the people can exercise power directly. Ultimately I support something like the Swiss popular initiative, which gives the people the ultimate say while representatives make most decisions.

[Agarntrop]

how can a country be "owned racially" what the actual fuck.... this is senator anning tier...

Well I'm guessing you're from Australia so it's slightly different there.

But in our biggest city (Auckland), the two groups whose ancestors signed the treaty of Waitangi founding this country are barely the majority anymore, with NZ-Europeans and Maori making up barely 60% of the city they once solely occupied. The primary sources of immigration have been from China, and to a lesser extent India. Am I showing any animosity towards these people? No, not at all - merely acknowledging their presence. For example in 2019, Smith was knocked off its perch for the first time since records began as Singh became Auckland city's most common surname for newborn babies.

You imply that this is being orchestrated by the PRC.

and no, im not australian, im british, just that anning's bullshitting was so incredibly vile that it made its way onto our news

[Drongonia]

and no, im not australian, im british, just that anning's bullshitting was so incredibly vile that it made its way onto our news

Well yes, Anning was for the most part a stuttering mess who barely knew his arse from his nose.

You imply that this is being orchestrated by the PRC.

But actually, Chinese businesses are being set up in this country specifically by people with links to the PRC government who encourage more Chinese immigration to the country. There are specific places Chinese people can go to see immigration "lawyers" who will basically tell them how to cheat on their family's visa applications and get entry into the country.

[Dumb Ideologies]

It's an interesting idea but I doubt it'll ever be tried.

[Saxon Anglia]

It stinks.

It'd be better if everyone involved was genuinely fighting to impliment ideas which they believed would benefit the nation and its people, but they aren't. They're fighting to keep their jobs, please their donors, and ensure they have a nice career and a hefty pension afterwards.

I would rather be ruled without question by one man or group who genuinely cared for the good of their fellow countrymen than get to walk out once every 3 years and choose between:

[ ] Do you want your country owned by China economically and racially?
[ ] Do you want your country owned by China economically and socially?
[ ] Do you want to be actively discriminated against for being a majority in your country?
[ ] Do you want old people to get more benefits, only because the leader of this party knows the majority of his voters are old?
[ ] Do you want whatever the blue party says, but in yellow?
[ ] Do you want your vote to be thrown in the rubbish because of the MMP vote redistribution system?
[ ] Do you want the a vocal minority sect of the minority group in your country to rule everything?
*All options now come with compulsory bending the knee to China.

Obviously your mileage may vary but the above is my country anyway.

I think abolish the Chinese should be an option >_>

[Saxon Anglia]

That sounds like the American left. They don't care about Americans, they care about making sure immigrants (including the illegal ones) vote for the left by giving the illegal immigrants a whole bunch of money and safety as to outnumber the actual Americans that know better than to vote for the left.

I don't think that's true of them, are you really trying to understand the position of the left in good faith?

good faith ? It's hard to take any political group on good faith especially if they admit to hating you. The only place you should put faith is in Christ. (I assume your Catholic in real life)

[Pasong Tirad]

It is good and it is about time societies do it more.

[Antityranicals]

Democracy in its modern form is mob rule, plain and simple. Anyone who can trick a significant amount of people can become what we call a politician. When people vote, they think of what they'd like the government to do for them. Since all government actions are coercive, rooting after all from a coercive extortion process known as taxation, from currency debasement, or from lending with the promise to pay back with extorted tax money, people find themselves voting for a system of rob Peter to pay Paul, so long as Paul is themselves, their friends, or people they have been told by the media are in need, and Peter is not. So inevitably, politics brings out the most violent side in people, each person's inner mafioso, if you will.

The politicians who are best at conforming to this standard, be they Republican or Democrat, will almost always win, and rise higher and higher in the ranks of politics. Republicans promise to steal from Peter to pay for a military ten times the size of what America needs, and Democrats promise to steal from Peter to pay for everything else under the sun (of course, the "Peter" of the Democratic Party is the rich, while the Republican "Peter" is just Americans in general). When these forces inevitably need to compromise, their compromise entails not in simply giving both Peters a break, but in buying both an over-bloated military and every multibillion dollar program that some junior Democrat can think up. Even the harshest crackdowns by one side on another don't involve actually cutting spending, but in merely slowing its growth. This has gotten to a point that the burden on Peter has gotten so insane that the government can no longer realistically steal more from him without causing their whole coercive system to fall into disrepute. Instead, they borrow with the promise to pay back by stealing more from Peter at some later date, though Peter shows no signs of being capable of repayment, or they literally print money.

If this were any organization but the sacred monopoly on violent force we call government, it would have been risen up against and destroyed by now. At least mafias generally managed to run a profit... The sad thing is, many people equate the American government with the heroes who fought in the Revolution, though those same heroes would surely fight against this monstrosity. We are told that just because we are allowed a one in millions say in who runs this shit-show that "we are the government." If I were to buy a single share in Amazon, I would not therefore "be" Amazon. Democracy has not helped our liberties whatsoever, it has stood by idly as every one of the amendments of the Bill of Rights was completely ignored (with the exception, I believe, of the third amendment). As such, I believe I would prefer a dictatorship to Democracy. Then, at least, people would be more likely to see the government for what it is, the enemy of the people.

[-Astoria]

The best political system out of all; while it may not be all that it's cracked up to be, it's still good; in comparison to other systems.

[Ifreann]

Democracy alone is bad because of its tendency to vote the popular choice over the practical or effective choice. However imperfect, I really appreciate the US system. It marries together a Republic (better) and a Democracy (more popular) together so we have plenty of voting power, we can choose who represents us to make the decisions on our behalf.

The idea that it is a fault of democracy that people sometimes elect bad politicians fails to understand the point of democracy. It is not a system intended to produce "practical" or "effective" leadership, whatever that means. It is a system meant to give power to people's right to choose who governs them.

[Kathol Rift]

Democracy is the worst form of government, except for every other form.

[Hugstopia]

Democracy is pretty great and I'm glad I live in a democratic country, but I just want there to be no corruption and more transparency around lobbyists and who's supporting each candidate/party.

[The Cosmic Mainframe]

Democracy alone is bad because of its tendency to vote the popular choice over the practical or effective choice. However imperfect, I really appreciate the US system. It marries together a Republic (better) and a Democracy (more popular) together so we have plenty of voting power, we can choose who represents us to make the decisions on our behalf.

The idea that it is a fault of democracy that people sometimes elect bad politicians fails to understand the point of democracy. It is not a system intended to produce "practical" or "effective" leadership, whatever that means. It is a system meant to give power to people's right to choose who governs them.

Well said.

Although to add: representative democracy and an expression of the people's will is flawed. People often don't know what they are voting for and politicians can rarely be trusted. People should not only choose who governs them - they should choose how they are governed.

[Accelerationist Poland-Lithuania]

Public opinion is easily malleable and people are retarded. People with no idea about anything elect managerial baby boomers with no technical knowledge to regulate paintball guns, file encryption and the ponzi scheme economy. Democracy is the preferred system of the current elite in the West because it gives the power to those who control the media, ie those who control the flow of information. They don't even need a jackboot. Even the greatest minds of Athens hated democracy.

[Kragholm Free States]

Democracy is the enemy of liberty.

[-Astoria]

Democracy is the enemy of liberty.

And the alternative?