Ban urban vehicles

[Novus America]

I think the argument of 'banning urban vehicles' because they're 'pollutive' is extremely close to throwing out the baby with the crib. More than ever, we see new forms of renewable energy being harnessed into automotive transportation and being made more efficient. Even looking back to the energy crisis during the 1970s, automotive scientists had already found ways to make proof-of-concept models for corn-ethanol and solar-powered cars. You could even spare the economy a drastic leap by looking towards electric cars, which while not as clean, don't produce as much CO2 as petrol-based fuels, only requiring some gas or even none at all if they are completely electric. We should be focusing on developing sustainable urban vehicles and not stranding workers who rely on cars to commute to their jobs.

Which is the direction I lean in as well.

That and improved road infrastructure so that cars passing through cities do not do so on set face level local streets. Better separation of through traffic and local traffic would help a lot.

In many cases people are driving through cities on regular surface level streets without having an need of being in the city at all, just that they lack a viable alternative route.

Manila being the worst offender I have encountered but hardly the only one.
I went to Baguio in the northern Philippines.
But the airport is south of the city.
It took over three hours to get through the city, despite never stopping in the city (well unless stopped in traffic. The airport is built to the south, but people often go north.
Building a tunnel from the airport under the city to the highways north of the city (outside the city the traffic was not bad) would clear up a lot of congestion.

Baltimore has a similar problem with the break between 83 and 295 although not as notably horrible.

Because it does have a ring road. But still it is much shorter (at least in distance) to take the 295 to 83 route if you are going to many areas.
Whereas a tunnel connecting the two would clear all that traffic off the ground level city streets.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

Why does Hasselhoff appear in the vehicle options?Sitting on a muscular man's shoulder makes me a little worried

[Shanghai industrial complex]

Until it gets stolen. Or the battery stolen...weird persistent crime in my friend's neighborhood.

Still beats getting your ass kicked on the bus... or raped on the bus as was the case for my room mate's sister.

WTF.....

[Outer Sparta]

Restrictions or bans on urban vehicles help a lot with urban life, particularly walkability and stuff. Add in more public transit and it will do wonders for the city.

[Kathol Rift]

Why does Hasselhoff appear in the vehicle options?Sitting on a muscular man's shoulder makes me a little worried

It’s cleaner than a car and public transportation. I see no downside to that.

[Necroghastia]

What of people who commute from rural areas to the city?

[Shanghai industrial complex]

What of people who commute from rural areas to the city?

guerrilla detachment？

[Ethel mermania]

What of people who commute from rural areas to the city?

Serving commuters is something mass transit does pretty well. In normal times Going in and out of centralized hubs, in NYC is much faster via train than driving . Hub and spoke systems work well for commuters. The problem is when you are going somewhere else, or doing something off hours that issues arise.

[Risottia]

What of people who commute from rural areas to the city?

There is public transportation from rural areas to the city too.
Also, they could use their personal vehicle to reach a public transportation hub, park it there and move with public transportation.

[Risottia]

Wires overhead. By the way, you can easily cross or run along with tram lines without problems.
(Image)

Germany is testing trolleytruck lines on motorways, btw, with heavy lorries cruising at 80 km/h on fully-electric power while on the autobahn.

Isn't this a normal trolleybus

This is a normal trolleybus, built in the '90s for Milan's trolleybus network. Without even backup engines or batteries. They're still working.

Newer trolleybuses look like this: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... _Ghent.jpg

[Asle Leopolka]

It really varies. In some cities that are extremely densely populated and have excellent public transportation (NYC, Chicago, London, etc) it can be easier. Come to other cities that are sprawl on sprawl (Atlanta, LA, every major city in Texas, etc) and it's just not feasible.

Once upon a time LA had a robust public transportation infrastructure. They made the conscious decisions thanks to pressure from FIrestone and someone else I forget now and don't want to look up to convert to a road based car model.

If you're thinking "This sounds kind of familiar" this real world thing was used as the big scheme in the movie Who Framed Roger Rabbit

Freeway? What the hell’s a freeway?!

[Lost Memories]

What of people who commute from rural areas to the city?

They read the op, and not just the title.

[Necroghastia]

What of people who commute from rural areas to the city?

There is public transportation from rural areas to the city too.
Also, they could use their personal vehicle to reach a public transportation hub, park it there and move with public transportation.

Mm. Maybe? It's hard to think of where such a place would be set up, though, in order to meet the needs of everyone in a given rural area.
It also sounds like it would make grocery trips hell.
Also... let's say you're a college student who lives in the dorms. You gotta move your stuff out at the end of the year. If myself and the others who lived there in my college days were any indication, it's enough that bringing it on a bus would be... unfeasible to say the least, especially when you factor in everyone who lives on campus. What then?

[Necroghastia]

What of people who commute from rural areas to the city?

They read the op, and not just the title.

I did, I'm just wondering how you would sort out who's from a rural area doing business in a city and who is a local.

[Saiwania]

Its not practical to eliminate vehicles from cities, unless the city in question is one of those rare ones where public transport can do everything. Its very expensive to put one in place and to maintain it indefinitely. But electric vehicles should take over completely for most locales, if we ever manage to get to 100% clean electricity generation, such as if we managed nuclear fusion. Upcoming battery technology is rumored to almost be good enough.

In most heavily urban areas, there is significantly less need to own a car because people walk everywhere or take trains/subways. But the drawback is that real estate is much more expensive if everyone wants to work/live there.

[Bobabay]

Create incentives to get rid of private transport in urban areas. Expand public transport systems. Of course this will have to be funded by evil tax dollars.

[Novus America]

Create incentives to get rid of private transport in urban areas. Expand public transport systems. Of course this will have to be funded by evil tax dollars.

And then when the next pandemic hits? And of course different urban areas are different.
One size fits all is not the solution. Certainly some urban areas could benefit from less traffic, but a lot of that is simply getting through traffic off the surface streets.

Which actually requires building more roads.

[Novus America]

Its not practical to eliminate vehicles from cities, unless the city in question is one of those rare ones where public transport can do everything. Its very expensive to put one in place and to maintain it indefinitely. But electric vehicles should take over completely for most locales, if we ever manage to get to 100% clean electricity generation, such as if we managed nuclear fusion. Upcoming battery technology is rumored to almost be good enough.

In most heavily urban areas, there is significantly less need to own a car because people walk everywhere or take trains/subways. But the drawback is that real estate is much more expensive if everyone wants to work/live there.

Nuclear fission is very clean and good enough using new reactor designs.
Sure nuclear fusion would be even better but fission is a perfectly fine interim solution.
But I agree, electrifying cars is the solution.

Although prices in many cities will probably drop as NYC will probably see a significant population decline.

[Novus America]

What of people who commute from rural areas to the city?

There is public transportation from rural areas to the city too.
Also, they could use their personal vehicle to reach a public transportation hub, park it there and move with public transportation.

Commuter rail is or at least was good before the pandemic.

We already have something like that in the DC area.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

Isn't this a normal trolleybus

This is a normal trolleybus, built in the '90s for Milan's trolleybus network. Without even backup engines or batteries. They're still working.

Newer trolleybuses look like this: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... _Ghent.jpg

This thing can only carry people. You can't transport ten tons of ball bearings from the factory to the supermarket. Because you can't build a line for every factory.

[Ethel mermania]

This is a normal trolleybus, built in the '90s for Milan's trolleybus network. Without even backup engines or batteries. They're still working.

Newer trolleybuses look like this: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... _Ghent.jpg

This thing can only carry people. You can't transport ten tons of ball bearings from the factory to the supermarket. Because you can't build a line for every factory.

There is no talk of banning trucks and deliveries, its private cars.

[Lost Memories]

They read the op, and not just the title.

I did, I'm just wondering how you would sort out who's from a rural area doing business in a city and who is a local.

Car Parks on the outskirts of cities, with nearby public transport stops connecting to the whole city system?

Some places already have that. People go by car from outside to suburbs, then park, and take train or similar to more central zones.
Some cities have such bad internal traffic making that convenient right now.

[Novus America]

This thing can only carry people. You can't transport ten tons of ball bearings from the factory to the supermarket. Because you can't build a line for every factory.

There is no talk of banning trucks and deliveries, its private cars.

But much of deliveries are done with private cars.

[Ethel mermania]

There is no talk of banning trucks and deliveries, its private cars.

But much of deliveries are done with private cars.

Those would still be commercial vehicles. One argument at a time.

Elderly with medical appoints, sick people who cant use public transport.

As to the pollution issue, India's car pollution is much higher than the US or western europe. Smog simply isnt an issue here anymore, where in third world city it would be

[Shanghai industrial complex]

This thing can only carry people. You can't transport ten tons of ball bearings from the factory to the supermarket. Because you can't build a line for every factory.

There is no talk of banning trucks and deliveries, its private cars.

On the first few pages, he proposed that tram could be used to run trucks