by Bombadil » Wed May 06, 2020 2:06 am
by Albrenia » Wed May 06, 2020 2:10 am
by Bombadil » Wed May 06, 2020 2:16 am
Albrenia wrote:I wouldn't ban them, no. Although strongly encouraging other methods of transport is ok by me. Some cities are titanic, and not everyone has the ability to realistically replace vehicular transport with bicycles and the like.
Reliable and effective public transport, finding cleaner methods of transport and the like are all extremely positive moves to make though, even if one does not ban fossil fuel vehicles.
by Risottia » Wed May 06, 2020 2:21 am
Bombadil wrote: effective public transport removes the need for private vehicles.
by Shanghai industrial complex » Wed May 06, 2020 2:21 am
by Shanghai industrial complex » Wed May 06, 2020 2:24 am
Bombadil wrote:Albrenia wrote:I wouldn't ban them, no. Although strongly encouraging other methods of transport is ok by me. Some cities are titanic, and not everyone has the ability to realistically replace vehicular transport with bicycles and the like.
Reliable and effective public transport, finding cleaner methods of transport and the like are all extremely positive moves to make though, even if one does not ban fossil fuel vehicles.
The city of Shenzhen has turned all its busses electric, that can be done - fine with that. However, sure, but still effective public transport removes the need for private vehicles.
Get rid of them, though god knows the howls of protest will be immense.
by Shanghai industrial complex » Wed May 06, 2020 2:26 am
Risottia wrote:Bombadil wrote: effective public transport removes the need for private vehicles.
I think you're forgetting a rather large part of private vehicles. That is privately-owned vehicles used to transport goods, and privately-owned vehicles used by professionals to move their equipment. Do you think a plumber can transport his tools and stuff on a tram?
by Bombadil » Wed May 06, 2020 2:27 am
Risottia wrote:Bombadil wrote: effective public transport removes the need for private vehicles.
I think you're forgetting a rather large part of private vehicles. That is privately-owned vehicles used to transport goods, and privately-owned vehicles used by professionals to move their equipment. Do you think a plumber can transport his tools and stuff on a tram?
by The Free Joy State » Wed May 06, 2020 2:29 am
Bombadil wrote:Risottia wrote:I think you're forgetting a rather large part of private vehicles. That is privately-owned vehicles used to transport goods, and privately-owned vehicles used by professionals to move their equipment. Do you think a plumber can transport his tools and stuff on a tram?
That's not to dismiss all solutions - public electric vans for subsidised rental or leasing. There's solutions. Also more local services, we have plumbers.
by An Alan Smithee Nation » Wed May 06, 2020 2:43 am
by Risottia » Wed May 06, 2020 2:43 am
Shanghai industrial complex wrote:Risottia wrote:I think you're forgetting a rather large part of private vehicles. That is privately-owned vehicles used to transport goods, and privately-owned vehicles used by professionals to move their equipment. Do you think a plumber can transport his tools and stuff on a tram?
Electric trucks will coming soon.Tesla Semi.
by Cannot think of a name » Wed May 06, 2020 2:45 am
Bombadil wrote:Albrenia wrote:I wouldn't ban them, no. Although strongly encouraging other methods of transport is ok by me. Some cities are titanic, and not everyone has the ability to realistically replace vehicular transport with bicycles and the like.
Reliable and effective public transport, finding cleaner methods of transport and the like are all extremely positive moves to make though, even if one does not ban fossil fuel vehicles.
The city of Shenzhen has turned all its busses electric, that can be done - fine with that. However, sure, but still effective public transport removes the need for private vehicles.
Get rid of them, though god knows the howls of protest will be immense.
by Risottia » Wed May 06, 2020 2:48 am
Bombadil wrote:Also more local services, we have plumbers.
by The Free Joy State » Wed May 06, 2020 2:51 am
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:I am really enjoying the lack of traffic in my city because of the Covid-19 lockdown. Less traffic is a massive improvement in my quality of life - lower pollution, fewer allergy problems, less noise, it's safer going out running.
by Esternial » Wed May 06, 2020 2:53 am
by Risottia » Wed May 06, 2020 3:00 am
Esternial wrote:My city (Ghent, Belgium) has turned more and more areas of the city centre into car-free zones, only allowing cars with a particular permit to enter. There's nothing stopping you from entering these zones, but there are cameras at every entrance & exit to record your license plate and send you a fine. I don't know if you can appeal these fines in the case of an emergency or another valid reason..
by Cannot think of a name » Wed May 06, 2020 3:05 am
The Free Joy State wrote:An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:I am really enjoying the lack of traffic in my city because of the Covid-19 lockdown. Less traffic is a massive improvement in my quality of life - lower pollution, fewer allergy problems, less noise, it's safer going out running.
Actually, my allergies have been a lot better this year. Could well be to do with there being a lot less traffic around.
I definitely agree that less traffic would be beneficial for the environment and for us.
I just think it should be done by incentivising people to change to a practical, better alternative where possible (through efficiency, low cost to the consumer, cleanliness etc.), while not penalising the percentage of people who genuinely do need their own vehicle.
by Prozitia » Wed May 06, 2020 3:15 am
Albrenia wrote:I wouldn't ban them, no. Although strongly encouraging other methods of transport is ok by me. Some cities are titanic, and not everyone has the ability to realistically replace vehicular transport with bicycles and the like.
Reliable and effective public transport, finding cleaner methods of transport and the like are all extremely positive moves to make though, even if one does not ban fossil fuel vehicles.
by Shanghai industrial complex » Wed May 06, 2020 3:15 am
Risottia wrote:Shanghai industrial complex wrote:Electric trucks will coming soon.Tesla Semi.
No wait. You're serious.
1.Electric trucks are STILL private vehicles on rubber tyres. They just remove the need for combustion exhausts to be produced on the spot, but still they can't address other problems like congestion, parking space, pollution from tyre-asphalt friction, etc. Not a bad idea but not exactly revolutionary.
2.Tesla Semi? That is a concept by "I can't really keep my promise to produce all those vehicles" Tesla? Trolleytrucks are much more likely. And electrics LCVs like the Fiat Ducato are already a thing.
by Shanghai industrial complex » Wed May 06, 2020 3:20 am
Risottia wrote:Shanghai industrial complex wrote:Electric trucks will coming soon.Tesla Semi.
No wait. You're serious.
1.Electric trucks are STILL private vehicles on rubber tyres. They just remove the need for combustion exhausts to be produced on the spot, but still they can't address other problems like congestion, parking space, pollution from tyre-asphalt friction, etc. Not a bad idea but not exactly revolutionary.
2.Tesla Semi? That is a concept by "I can't really keep my promise to produce all those vehicles" Tesla? Trolleytrucks are much more likely. And electrics LCVs like the Fiat Ducato are already a thing.
by Bombadil » Wed May 06, 2020 3:20 am
Esternial wrote:My city (Ghent, Belgium) has turned more and more areas of the city centre into car-free zones, only allowing cars with a particular permit to enter. There's nothing stopping you from entering these zones, but there are cameras at every entrance & exit to record your license plate and send you a fine. I don't know if you can appeal these fines in the case of an emergency or another valid reason. It makes sense though, since those areas are typically pedestrian-heavy with tight, often cobblestone roads.
Surrounding those zones is also a low-emission zone, forbidding cars that pollute more (don't know their metric or how they enforce it) from entering the inner city & approaching the city centre. This is the area inside the "inner ring" around the city and is densely populated, so they try to ward off vehicles from this area as much as possible.
I don't know how much it helped against pollution, but it has made the city centre a lot more pleasant & safer to walk through.
by -Astoria » Wed May 06, 2020 3:25 am
Prozitia wrote:Albrenia wrote:I wouldn't ban them, no. Although strongly encouraging other methods of transport is ok by me. Some cities are titanic, and not everyone has the ability to realistically replace vehicular transport with bicycles and the like.
Reliable and effective public transport, finding cleaner methods of transport and the like are all extremely positive moves to make though, even if one does not ban fossil fuel vehicles.
Prozitia follows the same policy.
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by An Alan Smithee Nation » Wed May 06, 2020 3:26 am
The Free Joy State wrote:An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:I am really enjoying the lack of traffic in my city because of the Covid-19 lockdown. Less traffic is a massive improvement in my quality of life - lower pollution, fewer allergy problems, less noise, it's safer going out running.
Actually, my allergies have been a lot better this year. Could well be to do with there being a lot less traffic around.
I definitely agree that less traffic would be beneficial for the environment and for us.
I just think it should be done by incentivising people to change to a practical, better alternative where possible (which first involves making public transport a practical and better alternative, through efficiency, low cost to the consumer, cleanliness etc.), while not penalising the percentage of people who genuinely do need their own vehicle.
by Lost Memories » Wed May 06, 2020 3:39 am
by Cannot think of a name » Wed May 06, 2020 3:41 am
Shanghai industrial complex wrote:Risottia wrote:
No wait. You're serious.
1.Electric trucks are STILL private vehicles on rubber tyres. They just remove the need for combustion exhausts to be produced on the spot, but still they can't address other problems like congestion, parking space, pollution from tyre-asphalt friction, etc. Not a bad idea but not exactly revolutionary.
2.Tesla Semi? That is a concept by "I can't really keep my promise to produce all those vehicles" Tesla? Trolleytrucks are much more likely. And electrics LCVs like the Fiat Ducato are already a thing.
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