The 2019-2020 Coronavirus outbreak thread

[Fartsniffage]

https://twitter.com/FlyerNews/status/1237597996813967360
Police in Dayton, Ohio, fire "pepper balls" at university students to disperse them after the University closed.

Things that make peoples faces leak all the fluids are just what you want in this situation. GG Dayton Police!

[Greater vakolicci haven]

There you have it folks, it's zombie apocalypse rules now. Don your trenchcoat, make metallic clicky-clacky noises with your guns, and take over your local supermarket.

I don't think I could handle the pressure of ruling a whole supermarket...what about if I just take over my local offy?

Depends on your gin offers, otherwise you can rule over the frozen food section of asda if you like.

[Ifreann]

https://twitter.com/FlyerNews/status/1237597996813967360
Police in Dayton, Ohio, fire "pepper balls" at university students to disperse them after the University closed.

Things that make peoples faces leak all the fluids are just what you want in this situation. GG Dayton Police!

That'll show those rowdy youths.

[Zurkerx]

White House told federal health agency to classify coronavirus deliberations.

This, according to several sources, say is an unusual move:

...Topics as the scope of infections, quarantines and travel restrictions have been held since mid-January in a high-security meeting room at the Department of Health & Human Services (HHS), a key player in the fight against the coronavirus.

Staffers without security clearances, including government experts, were excluded from the interagency meetings, which included video conference calls...

The White House insistence on secrecy at the nation’s premier public health organization, which has not been previously disclosed, has put a lid on certain information - and potentially delayed the response to the crisis.

[Gormwood]

White House told federal health agency to classify coronavirus deliberations.

This, according to several sources, say is an unusual move:

...Topics as the scope of infections, quarantines and travel restrictions have been held since mid-January in a high-security meeting room at the Department of Health & Human Services (HHS), a key player in the fight against the coronavirus.

Staffers without security clearances, including government experts, were excluded from the interagency meetings, which included video conference calls...

The White House insistence on secrecy at the nation’s premier public health organization, which has not been previously disclosed, has put a lid on certain information - and potentially delayed the response to the crisis.

Trying to outdo China in the "Suppress it 'till it spreads" game.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

There is something distinctly dimb about the idea of getting up in peoples faces in order to fight over bog roll when you are only buying a lot of bog roll because you're worried about a highly contagious illness.

[Stylan]

It seems like every day it is increasingly likely that covid will be "the big one."

[Greater vakolicci haven]

It seems like every day it is increasingly likely that covid will be "the big one."

I don't think so. Its mortality rate isn't high enough for it to be the big one.

[Seangoli]

It seems like every day it is increasingly likely that covid will be "the big one."

I don't think so. Its mortality rate isn't high enough for it to be the big one.

Keep in mind that the Spanish Flu only had a 3-4% overall mortality rate. There is also the concern with mutation, and becoming more severe. It is a relative of SARS, for instance, which had Abit a 10% mortality. There is also the concern that it can infect somebody for much longer than most respiratory illness before symptoms present, which makes containment difficult. Even SARS had a comparatively lower germination period, which helped immensely.

Even if it's not "the" big one, it is likely to be a big one. About 2 out of every 1000 people between 18-39 will die from it according to current numbers. This compares to flu at about 2 out of every 100,000.

[Great Algerstonia]

I don't think so. Its mortality rate isn't high enough for it to be the big one.

Keep in mind that the Spanish Flu only had a 3-4% overall mortality rate. There is also the concern with mutation, and becoming more severe. It is a relative of SARS, for instance, which had Abit a 10% mortality. There is also the concern that it can infect somebody for much longer than most respiratory illness before symptoms present, which makes containment difficult. Even SARS had a comparatively lower germination period, which helped immensely.

Even if it's not "the" big one, it is likely to be a big one. About 2 out of every 1000 people between 18-39 will die from it according to current numbers. This compares to flu at about 2 out of every 100,000.

You also have to remember that once hospitals start becoming overwhelmed and run out of beds, the death rate will likely get higher due to worse medical care being done.

[Shamhnan Insir]

It seems like every day it is increasingly likely that covid will be "the big one."

I don't think so. Its mortality rate isn't high enough for it to be the big one.

Mortality rate doesn't need to be high. If enough of society freaks out or fractures then you will see a radically different tomorrow, but maybe not in the sense of sea of corpses sense of "big one".

[The New California Republic]

I don't think so. Its mortality rate isn't high enough for it to be the big one.

Mortality rate doesn't need to be high. If enough of society freaks out or fractures then you will see a radically different tomorrow, but maybe not in the sense of sea of corpses sense of "big one".

It also depends on whether it becomes a seasonal thing like Flu, as that single figure percentage mortality rate repeated every year will soon take its toll.

[Great Algerstonia]

Mortality rate doesn't need to be high. If enough of society freaks out or fractures then you will see a radically different tomorrow, but maybe not in the sense of sea of corpses sense of "big one".

It also depends on whether it becomes a seasonal thing like Flu, as that single figure percentage mortality rate repeated every year will soon take its toll.

I see that possibility as likely, considering that people have been contacting COVID-19 multiple times because of the mutations the virus has gone through. It will be hard to develop immunity, whether it is your body naturally becoming immune or vaccinations.

[Seangoli]

It also depends on whether it becomes a seasonal thing like Flu, as that single figure percentage mortality rate repeated every year will soon take its toll.

I see that possibility as likely, considering that people have been contacting COVID-19 multiple times because of the mutations the virus has gone through. It will be hard to develop immunity, whether it is your body naturally becoming immune or vaccinations.

On the good news front, they are using protein based antigens for the Corona virus vaccine rather than a weakened virus. So long as the mutated form contains the same proteins, the vaccine should work for multiple strains from my understanding, so long as the strains share the same proteins.

[Seangoli]

Keep in mind that the Spanish Flu only had a 3-4% overall mortality rate. There is also the concern with mutation, and becoming more severe. It is a relative of SARS, for instance, which had Abit a 10% mortality. There is also the concern that it can infect somebody for much longer than most respiratory illness before symptoms present, which makes containment difficult. Even SARS had a comparatively lower germination period, which helped immensely.

Even if it's not "the" big one, it is likely to be a big one. About 2 out of every 1000 people between 18-39 will die from it according to current numbers. This compares to flu at about 2 out of every 100,000.

You also have to remember that once hospitals start becoming overwhelmed and run out of beds, the death rate will likely get higher due to worse medical care being done.

On top of this, the disease does not do the same thing to the body as the flu. Many of the physical effects on the lung of this strain are the same as SARS, which caused chronic, lifelong damage to the lungs.

People who think it's just the flu, but different, are woefully wrong. It is not, even if the mild symptoms are similar. People shouldn't view this as an aggressive flu. They should view it as a mild SARS. Which is a mixed blessing, as one of the key components of SARS was that it was easier to contain due to being so aggressive. It's less deadly on a case by case basis, but has lead to more deaths because of it being more difficult to detect and contain.

In fact, high mortality diseases are arguably less problematic and dangerous than lower mortality diseases. High mortality diseases have relatively shorter asymptomatic periods, and are far more visible. Lower mortality diseases can go unseen in a larger portion of the population for longer, making containment almost impossible once it spreads too far. Aggressive containment needed to happen in December in China, and almost as soon as it was seen elsewhere.

[Fartsniffage]

[Vassenor]

Senate GOP Blocks Emergency Paid Sick Leave Bill From Moving Forward

It's like they want this to blow up massively by making it impossible for people to effectively self-isolate.

[Corrian]

Reading the start of this thread vs now is interesting.

[Lost Memories]

I don't think so. Its mortality rate isn't high enough for it to be the big one.

Keep in mind that the Spanish Flu only had a 3-4% overall mortality rate. There is also the concern with mutation, and becoming more severe. It is a relative of SARS, for instance, which had Abit a 10% mortality. There is also the concern that it can infect somebody for much longer than most respiratory illness before symptoms present, which makes containment difficult. Even SARS had a comparatively lower germination period, which helped immensely.

Even if it's not "the" big one, it is likely to be a big one. About 2 out of every 1000 people between 18-39 will die from it according to current numbers. This compares to flu at about 2 out of every 100,000.

SARS was estimated to have a mortality of 4% during it's epidemic, once it was over the final mortality was around 9.5%

It's the same here, you can't really calculate the mortality of an ongoing epidemic, conclusive mortality can be calculate only when there are no more sick patients, or the share of sick is very tiny.
Currently there are 53,579 sick, over a total of 125,168 infected.
https://coronavirus.app/map

[Aureumterra]

In India it's generally contaminated water that spreads cholera. But yes, a lot of fecal-oral route diseases do well there.

A lot of the spread of this disease so far has to do with travel patterns and luck. There's nothing, for instance, that makes Iran more vulnerable to COVID-19 than South Africa, but Iran is being hit much harder.

What a lot of people somehow still keep asking is 'If it does so badly in the heat, why is it so big in Iran?'

Without realising it gets pretty cold in the middle east.

It snows in Tehran

[Bromagia]

It seems like every day it is increasingly likely that covid will be "the big one."

If you have perspective issues it might seem that way, I suppose.

[Bromagia]

I don't think so. Its mortality rate isn't high enough for it to be the big one.

Keep in mind that the Spanish Flu only had a 3-4% overall mortality rate. There is also the concern with mutation, and becoming more severe. It is a relative of SARS, for instance, which had Abit a 10% mortality. There is also the concern that it can infect somebody for much longer than most respiratory illness before symptoms present, which makes containment difficult. Even SARS had a comparatively lower germination period, which helped immensely.

Even if it's not "the" big one, it is likely to be a big one. About 2 out of every 1000 people between 18-39 will die from it according to current numbers. This compares to flu at about 2 out of every 100,000.

Reminder: Death rates are based on known infections. The actual rate is probably lower than what's being reported, just like the infection rate is higher than what's been reported.

[Gormwood]

Senate GOP Blocks Emergency Paid Sick Leave Bill From Moving Forward

It's like they want this to blow up massively by making it impossible for people to effectively self-isolate.

It's the GOP replacement for Obamacare: let all the poor sick people die off so there's less usage of Medicare and Medicaid.

[The Black Forrest]

Well now. Now we have the NCAA going to hold tournaments without fans.

Precautions are good. When does it dip into madness?

[Tombradyonia]

Senate GOP Blocks Emergency Paid Sick Leave Bill From Moving Forward

It's like they want this to blow up massively by making it impossible for people to effectively self-isolate.

It's the GOP replacement for Obamacare: let all the poor sick people die off so there's less usage of Medicare and Medicaid.

There's always thoughts and prayers, after all that's worked a grand total of zero times in the past two millennia, a trackrecord that basically says it all... wait... what?