The 2019-2020 Coronavirus outbreak thread

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

If they still wanted population control that badly, why backtrack on the one-child policy?

Because of the fact the gender balance of young Chinese people was completely distorted towards men due to beliefs amongst many that having a boy was much better than a girl. I'd argue that was the only failing in the scheme otherwise it was quite a success and would probably work quite well in some parts of the world, unfortunately the parts were population density isn't as big a problem.

Population density isn't the problem, climate change and resource depletion are. And cutting China's population by millions of people made a huge dent in both.

Sucks for the guys who can't get a girlfriend, but hey, it gives girls more leverage, in one of the countries where they actually need it.

[New Visayan Islands]

Probably the PRC trying to do population control tbh

China is pretty shit but it isn't trying to do an Umbrella Corporation here.

Hanlon's Razor, IOW.

We're not sure if we in the Philippines dodged this particular bullet, but this threat coming on the heels of an internal displacement secondary to volcanic eruption? Yikes.

And every creeping thing that creeps on the earth shall be an abomination. It shall not be eaten. Whatever crawls on its belly, whatever goes on all fours, or whatever has many feet among all creeping things that creep on the earth—these you shall not eat, for they are an abomination
LEVITICUS 11:41-42

¹⁴ But Peter said, “Certainly not, sir. For never have I eaten anything profane and unclean.” ¹⁵ The voice spoke to him again, a second time, “What God has made clean, you are not to call profane.” ¹⁶ This happened three times, and then the object was taken up into the sky.

Now, let's get back on track, shall we?

[Earthbound Immortal Squad]

Because of the fact the gender balance of young Chinese people was completely distorted towards men due to beliefs amongst many that having a boy was much better than a girl. I'd argue that was the only failing in the scheme otherwise it was quite a success and would probably work quite well in some parts of the world, unfortunately the parts were population density isn't as big a problem.

Population density isn't the problem, climate change and resource depletion are. And cutting China's population by millions of people made a huge dent in both.

I severely doubt that climate change was a factor considered when the one child policy was introduced. Resource depletion absolutely, but China can't just expand it's borders, so population density was also another factor considering the populations of their major cities.

[Lord Dominator]

China has quarantined the city. There are cases in the US now. My mom is upset, because the news initially denied there were any cases, but she knew there were because they were treating a person who got it at their work place. I feel sad for all the people traveling to and from China for the Lunar New Year, because this will make travel to and from China more difficult.

This shit has jumped the species barrier. It needs to be contained.

Jumping from whatever species to humans isn't particularly a big deal, quite a few of our diseases come from animals.

[Dome Artan]

Because of the fact the gender balance of young Chinese people was completely distorted towards men due to beliefs amongst many that having a boy was much better than a girl. I'd argue that was the only failing in the scheme otherwise it was quite a success and would probably work quite well in some parts of the world, unfortunately the parts were population density isn't as big a problem.

Population density isn't the problem, climate change and resource depletion are. And cutting China's population by millions of people made a huge dent in both.

Sucks for the guys who can't get a girlfriend, but hey, it gives girls more leverage, in one of the countries where they actually need it.

The problem was more along the lines of families killing female children, I agree tho if there was a way to avoid that gender bias, one child policies worldwide would be a huge help.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

Population density isn't the problem, climate change and resource depletion are. And cutting China's population by millions of people made a huge dent in both.

I severely doubt that climate change was a factor considered when the one child policy was introduced. Resource depletion absolutely, but China can't just expand it's borders, so population density was also another factor considering the populations of their major cities.

They already had plenty of open space in the west end and interior of the country. It's the east end that's overcrowded.

Even so, there's a lot of forests between cities even in the east end.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

Population density isn't the problem, climate change and resource depletion are. And cutting China's population by millions of people made a huge dent in both.

Sucks for the guys who can't get a girlfriend, but hey, it gives girls more leverage, in one of the countries where they actually need it.

The problem was more along the lines of families killing female children, I agree tho if there was a way to avoid that gender bias, one child policies worldwide would be a huge help.

If abortion isn't murder, why is it worse to abort a fetus for being female than for any other reason?

[Satuga]

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Man, it is unsettling how strongly this resembles what China looked like last time I was there. The anti-viral masks look just like the pollution masks, and the signs remind me of Shanghai Railway Station.

That said, do they really have to pay several soldiers to stand guard around the clock? Why not just have two fences, an inner and outer one, have the inner one electrified, and a warning sign around the outer one?

You're asking why the Chinese aren't being cost efficient, I find that funny.

[The New California Republic]

This shit has jumped the species barrier. It needs to be contained.

Jumping from whatever species to humans isn't particularly a big deal, quite a few of our diseases come from animals.

I had serious diseases like Ebola and HIV in mind.

[Shamhnan Insir]

Jumping from whatever species to humans isn't particularly a big deal, quite a few of our diseases come from animals.

I had serious diseases like Ebola and HIV in mind.

It's quite a big deal, for that means it its likely to have genetic propensity to jump other species barriers. Whilst it appears to have low lethality in humans, if it perhaps crossed to pigs, or worse birds, then it begins to indirectly effect human population even more. It also increases the variability of host immune systems the virus encounters therefore creating greater opportunity for it to mutate to bypass such barriers.

[Pangurstan]

Jumping from whatever species to humans isn't particularly a big deal, quite a few of our diseases come from animals.

I had serious diseases like Ebola and HIV in mind.

Ebola and HIV both jumped the species barrier.

[Satuga]

Jumping from whatever species to humans isn't particularly a big deal, quite a few of our diseases come from animals.

I had serious diseases like Ebola and HIV in mind.

Ebola was serious, until it was not(in the US), it was pretty much just a big scare that was dealt with rather quickly(in the US), I'm fairly certain it will end with the same results(in the US).

[Pangurstan]

I had serious diseases like Ebola and HIV in mind.

Ebola was serious, until it was not(in the US), it was pretty much just a big scare that was dealt with rather quickly(in the US), I'm fairly certain it will end with the same results(in the US).

Ebola is super infectious if you’re exposed to the virus, but unless you come into contact with bodily fluids, you aren’t exposed. The coronavirus appears to be less infectious when you’re exposed to the virus, but just one cough means that you’re exposed.

[Lost Memories]

Probably the PRC trying to do population control tbh

If they still wanted population control that badly, why backtrack on the one-child policy?

The one child policy put a stop to their population growth, at the price of an increase of average age.
In a fantastical world of speculation, this would be the correction to off the unproductive old ones (some articles mentioned the elderly are more vulnerable to this virus, as most of the dead were old)

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

I had serious diseases like Ebola and HIV in mind.

Ebola was serious, until it was not(in the US), it was pretty much just a big scare that was dealt with rather quickly(in the US), I'm fairly certain it will end with the same results(in the US).

Sierra Leone: BOI

Yeah, but more seriously, I think this might end up being worse than Ebola, as China is much more connected and much more dense. On the other hand, it does have significantly more resources than Sierra Leone, the Guinea and Liberia, but it's still worth noting the extreme population density of China's coastal areas.

[Satuga]

Ebola was serious, until it was not(in the US), it was pretty much just a big scare that was dealt with rather quickly(in the US), I'm fairly certain it will end with the same results(in the US).

Sierra Leone: BOI

Yeah, but more seriously, I think this might end up being worse than Ebola, as China is much more connected and much more dense. On the other hand, it does have significantly more resources than Sierra Leone, the Guinea and Liberia, but it's still worth noting the extreme population density of China's coastal areas.

Edit: while I still thinks it's going to be more of a scare than an epidemic, I do have to acknowledge that should we not be careful, it can get worse because of its ability to travel through the air.

Trust me I know it could be more dangerous, I just think it won't.

[Totally Not OEP]

We are now at eight cities under quarantine. Literally six hours ago it was just three...

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

Sierra Leone: BOI

Yeah, but more seriously, I think this might end up being worse than Ebola, as China is much more connected and much more dense. On the other hand, it does have significantly more resources than Sierra Leone, the Guinea and Liberia, but it's still worth noting the extreme population density of China's coastal areas.

Edit: while I still thinks it's going to be more of a scare than an epidemic, I do have to acknowledge that should we not be careful, it can get worse because of its ability to travel through the air.

Trust me I know it could be more dangerous, I just think it won't.

The fact that's already travelled to several countries already is very dangerous, as travellers could spread it further. Remember that coronavirus - particularly this strain - has an incubation period of two weeks, allowing it to spread from, say, a Chinese carrier to a Vietnamese or Japanese one, and then those two could board flights to the UAE and the USA, infecting two more people each. The UAE ones could go to Saudi Arabia and Iran, whilst the USA ones could go to the UK and Mexico. These cases are within the spread of a few days, allowing all these people to pass without symptoms.

For all we know, there could already be thousands infected across the globe, as the virus leaves the incubation period...

[Dummie]

Time to celebrate this new virus outbreak:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5e1ZBFVKek

[The New California Republic]

I had serious diseases like Ebola and HIV in mind.

Ebola and HIV both jumped the species barrier.

...yes I'm aware.

[Satuga]

The fact that's already travelled to several countries already is very dangerous, as travellers could spread it further. Remember that coronavirus - particularly this strain - has an incubation period of two weeks, allowing it to spread from, say, a Chinese carrier to a Vietnamese or Japanese one, and then those two could board flights to the UAE and the USA, infecting two more people each. The UAE ones could go to Saudi Arabia and Iran, whilst the USA ones could go to the UK and Mexico. These cases are within the spread of a few days, allowing all these people to pass without symptoms.

For all we know, there could already be thousands infected across the globe, as the virus leaves the incubation period...

Yes there could, but I have a feeling this will last maybe a couple of months before it becomes a smaller issue, as well as the fact the NIH has already stated they're working on a vaccine.

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

Honestly though, you shouldn't be too worried. At worst, I'm predicting a Swine Flu, and maybe 0.1% chance of a 1920 Influenza, situation. At best, I'm predicting nothing more than ~1,000 deaths and ~100,000 cases. In the middle, we're hitting Ebola levels, but with less mortality.

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

The fact that's already travelled to several countries already is very dangerous, as travellers could spread it further. Remember that coronavirus - particularly this strain - has an incubation period of two weeks, allowing it to spread from, say, a Chinese carrier to a Vietnamese or Japanese one, and then those two could board flights to the UAE and the USA, infecting two more people each. The UAE ones could go to Saudi Arabia and Iran, whilst the USA ones could go to the UK and Mexico. These cases are within the spread of a few days, allowing all these people to pass without symptoms.

For all we know, there could already be thousands infected across the globe, as the virus leaves the incubation period...

Yes there could, but I have a feeling this will last maybe a couple of months before it becomes a smaller issue, as well as the fact the NIH has already stated they're working on a vaccine.

These few days will be important in determining the fate of this disease. If it hits one hundred thousand cases by the end of the month, we should begin worrying. If it hits a million...It'll be 1920 all over again.

[Satuga]

Yes there could, but I have a feeling this will last maybe a couple of months before it becomes a smaller issue, as well as the fact the NIH has already stated they're working on a vaccine.

These few days will be important in determining the fate of this disease. If it hits one hundred thousand cases by the end of the month, we should begin worrying. If it hits a million...It'll be 1920 all over again.

Not exactly, it won't be like polio because from 1920 to now we have much, much better tech. So even if it is more viral I doubt it would have an effect like 1920 polio.

[Dome Artan]

The problem was more along the lines of families killing female children, I agree tho if there was a way to avoid that gender bias, one child policies worldwide would be a huge help.

If abortion isn't murder, why is it worse to abort a fetus for being female than for any other reason?

Abortion isn't murder, if that is the sole reason for the abortion then thats simply gender discrimination in its worst form. Of course the woman can have a different reason in which case its her right. My point was about post birth children however, when under one child policy girls would be abandoned.

Regardless this has little to do with the thread where we have five UK cases now.