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by Luminesa » Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:23 pm
by Northern Davincia » Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:39 pm
State of Turelisa wrote:Romans 8:29-30 is enough to justify Calvinism.
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.”
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."
by The Archregimancy » Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:10 am
Luminesa wrote:The Archregimancy wrote:
How very true; what a pleasing statement.
Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen. Your Catholic skills are no match for the power of the Orthodox side.
I want you to know that there is always a place for you with me. Once your training is complete, of course.
I think you'll also find that the deflector shield is still operational.
Where is my purple light-saber when I need it.
by Kowani » Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:53 am
by Neanderthaland » Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:39 am
by The Archregimancy » Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:44 am
by Lost Memories » Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:57 am
The term "Celtic Rite" is applied to the various liturgical rites used in Celtic Christianity in Britain, Ireland and Brittany and the monasteries founded by St. Columbanus and Saint Catald in France, Germany, Switzerland, and Italy during the early middle ages. The term does not imply homogeneity; the evidence, scanty and fragmentary as it is, is in favour of considerable diversity.
Before the 8th century AD there were several Christian rites in Western Europe. Such diversity of practice was often considered unimportant so long as Rome's primacy was accepted. Gradually the diversity tended to lessen so that by the time of the final fusion in the Carolingian period, the Roman Rite, its Ambrosian variant, and the Hispano-Gallican Mozarabic Rite were practically all that were left.
by State of Turelisa » Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:01 am
Tarsonis wrote:Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
I just loved when someone would say God damn out of habit and Luke would run down on them and begin brutalizing them while their friends watched and screamed in terror. That shit was hilarious.
Till he runs up on the wrong person. That's a good way to get killed here. That type of Zealotry is toxic.
by Salus Maior » Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:01 am
The Rich Port wrote:Salus Maior wrote:
Yes, that's true that everyone has the legal right to believe whatever.
We still believe that there are correct and incorrect things to believe while being a Christian, based on scripture, tradition, and precedent.
You don't have to like it, but we're not really going to care either way.
Better not catch you two at the next Angel UFO conference crying about homosexuality or I'm taking pictures.
by Tarsonis » Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:03 am
by State of Turelisa » Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:07 am
by Tarsonis » Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:33 am
by Lower Nubia » Sun Sep 20, 2020 12:35 pm
Lost Memories wrote:Moving away from the mindset of the protestant reformers, the take i have on why the protestant reformation happened at all, or why it picked up, what was the popular appeal, is:
-the protestant reformation happened because some german princes didn't like the idea of having a spanish king as emperor (Charles V, and later the whole lineage of the Habsburg)
Creating their own feudal church would have meant to be more politically independent, from the catholoc church, which in turn means to be independent from the emperor too
That deside of independence did lead to the thirty years war.
-having a local church where the local feudal lord is the head of the church, also meant that no religious figure could tell to the local lord they were acting immorally, since the local lord could just remove and replace any religious figure with people who wouldn't oppose them
See how the government of current time mainland China was very interested in being able to nominate bishops in China, to pick people who were aligned with the so called "chinese communist party"
Secular powers trying to become also moral authorities is something old as time, from the ancient egyptians, to the romans, to the holy roman empire
-the protestant reformation happened because some germans(and other northerners), the populance, didn't like having mass in latin, since latin isn't related to germanic languages, it may have felt to some of them as a foreign religion
The language also played into the idea of foreign political interference
Some germans wanted to have a germanic church, with rites in german, which would have felt less foreign
The appeal of a rite in their own language was maybe for some greater than doctrinal integrity (not like Luther himself said later, "the populance understands nothing of doctrine")
Though, it isn't very clear which rite was actually being used in the Holy Roman Empire, in which language. So the language as motivation could depend if they actually had rites in non-germanic languages or not.
Unrelatedly, there seems to have existed a celtic rite in the past, among others now defunct. The celtic rite seems to have existed in germany only inside few monasteries.The term "Celtic Rite" is applied to the various liturgical rites used in Celtic Christianity in Britain, Ireland and Brittany and the monasteries founded by St. Columbanus and Saint Catald in France, Germany, Switzerland, and Italy during the early middle ages. The term does not imply homogeneity; the evidence, scanty and fragmentary as it is, is in favour of considerable diversity.
Before the 8th century AD there were several Christian rites in Western Europe. Such diversity of practice was often considered unimportant so long as Rome's primacy was accepted. Gradually the diversity tended to lessen so that by the time of the final fusion in the Carolingian period, the Roman Rite, its Ambrosian variant, and the Hispano-Gallican Mozarabic Rite were practically all that were left.
Without the feudal princes support, and (maybe) the language issue (or nationalism, which manifested over the language), maybe the protestant reformation wouldn't have received as much support as it did. And the protestant reformers would have gone out of history like other heretics before them.
But instead, we got a repeat of Nestorius.
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by Lost Memories » Sun Sep 20, 2020 12:43 pm
Lord Dominator wrote:Not sure why we need an argument about Luther (and other Protestants) were heretics by the standards of the Catholic Church - they rather obviously were, and I'm saying that as a Lutheran.
Luminesa wrote:I mean there's a reason they were not accepted into Catholic canon, and then a reason why even other Protestants disagreed with Luther as well. Some of what he taught (such as consubstantiation) was liked neither by the Catholic Church nor by other Protestants.
Lord Dominator wrote:Lost Memories wrote:It may look self-evident and plain with an outlook where "truth" is just an "opinion". Basically relativism.
What? I'm saying that people that if people don't agree on major theological points, it should be fairly self-evident they would split from each other. Not sure where relativism comes in that at all.But where "truth" isn't an opinion, if many didn't agree over a proposition, maybe that proposition did hold little actual truth into it.
Clearly then Christianity (or if you prefer, religion in general) by that same logic itself doesn't hold truth, since many propositions in it can't be agreed /s
Clearly then Christianity (or if you prefer, religion in general) by that same logic itself doesn't hold truth, since many propositions in it can't be agreed
But where "truth" isn't an opinion, if many didn't agree over a proposition, maybe that proposition did hold little actual truth into it.
Luminesa wrote:I mean there's a reason they were not accepted into Catholic canon, and then a reason why even other Protestants disagreed with Luther as well. Some of what he taught (such as consubstantiation) was liked neither by the Catholic Church nor by other Protestants.
But where "truth" isn't an opinion, if many didn't agree over a proposition, maybe that proposition did hold little actual truth into it.
by Christian Dominions of Theopolis » Sun Sep 20, 2020 12:52 pm
by Lower Nubia » Sun Sep 20, 2020 12:56 pm
Christian Dominions of Theopolis wrote:I think organised Christianity has come full circle now there are independent churches whose pastors and deacons preach, teach and tend to the welfare of the sick and infirm of the congregation, not for money but for the love of Christ, based on Scripture alone.
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"These are they who are made like to God as far as possible, of their own free will, and by God's indwelling, and by His abiding grace. They are truly called gods, not by nature, but by participation; just as red-hot iron is called fire, not by nature, but by participation in the fire's action."
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by Salus Maior » Sun Sep 20, 2020 12:57 pm
Christian Dominions of Theopolis wrote:I think organised Christianity has come full circle now there are independent churches whose pastors and deacons preach, teach and tend to the welfare of the sick and infirm of the congregation, not for money but for the love of Christ, based on Scripture alone.
by Northern Davincia » Sun Sep 20, 2020 1:03 pm
Christian Dominions of Theopolis wrote:I think organised Christianity has come full circle now there are independent churches whose pastors and deacons preach, teach and tend to the welfare of the sick and infirm of the congregation, not for money but for the love of Christ, based on Scripture alone.
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."
by Lower Nubia » Sun Sep 20, 2020 1:07 pm
Northern Davincia wrote:Christian Dominions of Theopolis wrote:I think organised Christianity has come full circle now there are independent churches whose pastors and deacons preach, teach and tend to the welfare of the sick and infirm of the congregation, not for money but for the love of Christ, based on Scripture alone.
Scripture alone is still heresy. Ask yourself: who compiled scripture?
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"These are they who are made like to God as far as possible, of their own free will, and by God's indwelling, and by His abiding grace. They are truly called gods, not by nature, but by participation; just as red-hot iron is called fire, not by nature, but by participation in the fire's action."
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by Punished UMN » Sun Sep 20, 2020 1:09 pm
by Kowani » Sun Sep 20, 2020 1:21 pm
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by Lower Nubia » Sun Sep 20, 2020 1:54 pm
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Anglican- Socially Centre-Right
- Third Way Neoliberal
- Asperger
Syndrome- Graduated
in Biochemistry
"These are they who are made like to God as far as possible, of their own free will, and by God's indwelling, and by His abiding grace. They are truly called gods, not by nature, but by participation; just as red-hot iron is called fire, not by nature, but by participation in the fire's action."
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by Lost Memories » Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:37 pm
Lower Nubia wrote:I also find it disingenuous that political expediency is the main reason for princely conversion. When we look at the past, people converted out of genuine Christian and heartfelt faith.
Why must we conclude this? There have been many periods in time when leaving the Church would of been politicaly tactful, the investiture crises’ is an example, the anti-pope controversies.
the Church of England was somehow less corrupt than Rome
Rome’s position that without the Pope, these Church’s would descend into Anarchy
Ironically, the Church of England did become flippant on doctrine, 150-200 years after the Apology, the book has now aged like milk to a modern reader for that fact.
by Luminesa » Sun Sep 20, 2020 3:40 pm
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