Christian Discussion Thread XI: Anicetus’ Revenge

[Salus Maior]

I would make a joke about the Spanish inquisition right now but this feels like a very PC issue so I’ll just say fine, I apologize to all people who were offended by the word “Papist”, I know Catholics have been persecuted in the past so that’s a term which could be offensive... I’m sure having a Catholic president would be a big deal and I don’t seriously have a problem with that. I just thought it would be entertaining to riff on sectarian rivalries but I suppose this is not the place for that. Sorry, Catholics.

There have been Catholic presidents.

There's a lot of Catholics in government. Even if most of them are nominal.

[Brunswick-upon-Raritan]

I would make a joke about the Spanish inquisition right now but this feels like a very PC issue so I’ll just say fine, I apologize to all people who were offended by the word “Papist”, I know Catholics have been persecuted in the past so that’s a term which could be offensive... I’m sure having a Catholic president would be a big deal and I don’t seriously have a problem with that. I just thought it would be entertaining to riff on sectarian rivalries but I suppose this is not the place for that. Sorry, Catholics.

There have been Catholic presidents.

There's a lot of Catholics in government. Even if most of them are nominal.

In the history of U.S. presidents, there has only been one Catholic president, and he wasn't even a full-termer. If elected, Joe Biden would be the second.

[Salus Maior]

There have been Catholic presidents.

There's a lot of Catholics in government. Even if most of them are nominal.

In the history of U.S. presidents, there has only been one Catholic president, and he wasn't even a full-termer. If elected, Joe Biden would be the second.

....Because he was assassinated.

[Brunswick-upon-Raritan]

In the history of U.S. presidents, there has only been one Catholic president, and he wasn't even a full-termer. If elected, Joe Biden would be the second.

....Because he was assassinated.

Indeed so.

[Hakons]

By November, the US might have a Catholic President, a Catholic Speaker of the House, and a Catholic Chief Justice

[Brunswick-upon-Raritan]

By November, the US might have a Catholic President, a Catholic Speaker of the House, and a Catholic Chief Justice

RIP WASP America

[Tarsonis]

Technically no. The word angel literally means messenger. Angels exist to enact God's will. At the same time the lore suggests Angels also make their own choices, laying with humans and making Nephalim, etc etc.

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It is not so clear that "angels lying with the daughters of men" is an apt translation.

How else would Nephilim be made then?

[Sundiata]

By November, the US might have a Catholic President, a Catholic Speaker of the House, and a Catholic Chief Justice

[Tarsonis]

By November, the US might have a Catholic President, a Catholic Speaker of the House, and a Catholic Chief Justice

Well, January

[Menassa]

It is not so clear that "angels lying with the daughters of men" is an apt translation.

How else would Nephalem be made then?

Since the word for angel isn't actually used and the word "Son of god" בְנֵי-הָאֱלֹהִים or "Sons of the god" we can cast doubt on whether or not these beings were angels.

The phrase "sons of god" is an interesting one because the term used for God here, אֱלֹהִים has been used to describe regular humans who exhibit some form of power as God is powerful (Moses, Aaron, judges, etc). Nephilim "fallen ones" therefore can just as easily refer to very powerful individuals who have fallen (sinned).

[Brunswick-upon-Raritan]

What does 666 mean?

[Tarsonis]

What does 666 mean?

Supposed to be the Mark of the Beast, though many scholars have pointed out that its actually just an anagram from Nero

[Lost Memories]

What does 666 mean?

Supposed to be the Mark of the Beast, though many scholars have pointed out that its actually just an anagram from Nero

How does one get from Nero to 666? Did they also use his surname?

[Menassa]

Supposed to be the Mark of the Beast, though many scholars have pointed out that its actually just an anagram from Nero

How does one get from Nero to 666? Did they also use his surname?

Preterist theologians typically support the interpretation that 666 is the numerical equivalent of the name and title Nero Caesar (Roman Emperor 54–68 AD).[20][21][22][23][24][25] Written in Aramaic, this can be valued at 666 using the Hebrew numerology of gematria, and was used to secretly speak against the emperor. Additionally, "Nero Caesar" in the Hebrew alphabet is נרון קסר‎ NRON QSR, which when interpreted numerically represents the numbers 50 200 6 50 100 60 200, which add up to 666.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_Beast

I do not endorse gematria translations

[Tarsonis]

How does one get from Nero to 666? Did they also use his surname?

Preterist theologians typically support the interpretation that 666 is the numerical equivalent of the name and title Nero Caesar (Roman Emperor 54–68 AD).[20][21][22][23][24][25] Written in Aramaic, this can be valued at 666 using the Hebrew numerology of gematria, and was used to secretly speak against the emperor. Additionally, "Nero Caesar" in the Hebrew alphabet is נרון קסר‎ NRON QSR, which when interpreted numerically represents the numbers 50 200 6 50 100 60 200, which add up to 666.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_Beast

I do not endorse gematria translations

that certainly does cast the accuracy into question.

[Menassa]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_Beast

I do not endorse gematria translations

that certainly does cast the accuracy into question.

Hebrew has multiple letters that can interchanged for single letters of other languages like Latin and English therefore any calculations made are intentional and not derivative. However when limited to just Hebrew words we can see interesting things like "mother" is 41 and "father" is 3 (1 and 2) the sum of both of these numbers are 44 which is the same value of "child" (10 and 30 and 4).

[Solomons Land]

By November, the US might have a Catholic President, a Catholic Speaker of the House, and a Catholic Chief Justice ;)

What makes you say we are going to have a new Chief Justice?

[Tarsonis]

By November, the US might have a Catholic President, a Catholic Speaker of the House, and a Catholic Chief Justice

What makes you say we are going to have a new Chief Justice?

Chief Justice Roberts is Catholic. So is Pelosi.

[Solomons Land]

What makes you say we are going to have a new Chief Justice?

Chief Justice Roberts is Catholic. So is Pelosi.

Oh, I am stupid.

[Lost Memories]

666 is the numerical equivalent of the name and title Nero Caesar (Roman Emperor 54–68 AD). Written in Aramaic, this can be valued at 666 using the Hebrew numerology of gematria, and was used to secretly speak against the emperor.

If accurate that would be funny, so 666 would have been created to talk shit behind a persecuting emperor's back.

"666 is really the scum of the earth" "what? we're talking about unholy beings in the future"

[Hakons]

By November, the US might have a Catholic President, a Catholic Speaker of the House, and a Catholic Chief Justice

The sad part is Catholics aren't nearly as unified as nativists imagined. Catholic voters and Catholic politicians are scattered across American politics, as the opinions of Biden, Pelosi, and Roberts show. The division in Catholic voting does make us valuable "swing voters," but we're not a unified voting bloc.

[Brunswick-upon-Raritan]

The sad part is Catholics aren't nearly as unified as nativists imagined. Catholic voters and Catholic politicians are scattered across American politics, as the opinions of Biden, Pelosi, and Roberts show. The division in Catholic voting does make us valuable "swing voters," but we're not a unified voting bloc.

The Catholics are always finding scruples with their Popes.

[Tarsonis]

The sad part is Catholics aren't nearly as unified as nativists imagined. Catholic voters and Catholic politicians are scattered across American politics, as the opinions of Biden, Pelosi, and Roberts show. The division in Catholic voting does make us valuable "swing voters," but we're not a unified voting bloc.

The Catholics are always finding scruples with their Popes.

Well the Pope is a man, subject to all the issues that involves.

[Northern Davincia]

By November, the US might have a Catholic President, a Catholic Speaker of the House, and a Catholic Chief Justice

Unfortunately this does not speak of their virtues.

[Tarsonis]

By November, the US might have a Catholic President, a Catholic Speaker of the House, and a Catholic Chief Justice

Unfortunately this does not speak of their virtues.

Honestly I think they deserve some slack. Balancing Catholic morality with American legalism is not an easy feat.