Christian Discussion Thread XI: Anicetus’ Revenge

[Lost Memories]

While thinking about the lash out of Banbardi, a crass example to explain Hell came to mind.
(WARNING FOR SENSIBLE ENGLISH PEOPLE: colorful language ahead)


Going to Hell is self inflicted.


The commandments of God, are like a parent telling their child to don't eat crayons.
Hell is the existential state of shitting crayons.

Crayons exist for a reason. The human body exists for a reason. Eating crayons wasn't part of the will of God.
God wills better usages of both crayons and humans. But as a loving parent, God wants his childs to figure it out themselves, and allows mistakes to happen as learning lessons.
As a loving parent, God warns about the most idiotic and self-destructive usages of his creation. Everything else is there to be explored.

But if one wants to eat crayons, they are going to shit crayons. That's Hell, the existential state of self-destructive idiocy.

(actual hell is when that existential state becomes permanent, by the permanent will of eating crayons, eating and shitting crayons for all eternity, together with others doing the same, with wagons of new others coming over time and doing the same)

A loving parent would stop their child from eating crayons even if they tried lol

That example exists to picture how: Hell is self-inflicted.

Yours is a reply which misses the point. Or maybe missed many other pieces which an example didn't include in entirety.
(like free will, that also exists for a reason)

Cause examples simplify, that's what they do. Are you objecting over an example not being complete?

[Lost Memories]

Hell is the existential state of shitting crayons.

You know, this is why I'm not a priest. I'd be using analogies like that and end up getting in a lot of trouble.

That's the charm of the internet. In the good and in the bad.
We are all just normal persons with no special institutional responsabilities.

[Washington Resistance Army]

A loving parent would stop their child from eating crayons even if they tried lol

That example exists to picture how: Hell is self-inflicted.

Yours is a reply which misses the point. Or maybe missed many other pieces which an example didn't include in entirety.
(like free will, that also exists for a reason)

Cause examples simplify, that's what they do. Are you objecting over an example not being complete?

I'm objecting to the example being really stupid, nothing more. I feel like it'd be more apt to describe someone knowingly breaking the law with full knowledge that they'll be caught and sent to prison or something if we wanted to go with a self-inflicted angle.

[The Archregimancy]

Peace be with you all:
I’d like to know what you all believe of the Gospel of Barnabas.

There are three pseudoepigraphical works ascribed to Barnabas.

The first, the Epistle of Barnabas, may date as early as the end of the 1st century, and while not canonical is therefore a vitally important document in understanding the development of early Christianity. It shows a very strong Jewish influence. Origen was one of several early figures who believed in its authenticity, and it seems to have only just missed out on forming part of the formal canon. Full text here.

The Acts of Barnabas is a 5th-century document that seems to have been designed to bolster the claims of the Church of Cyprus to apostolic foundation (in contrast to apostolic succession). It's of moderate interest for seeing how Christianity adapted to becoming the state religion of the Roman Empire in the later Classical period.

The Gospel of Barnabas is more difficult to date with confidence, but no records exist of it before the 17th century. The currently unanswerable questions are whether it's a deliberate post-medieval Italian forgery written by a student of Dante (whom it may paraphrase), a well-meaning but ultimately flawed late medieval / early post-medieval Spanish Morisco attempt to unite Christian and Islamic traditions, or a gradual Muslim reworking of a much earlier apocryphal document that changed over time as it was recopied. I think the Italian and Morisco hypotheses are by far the most likely.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

all these christians ignoring how god created us and then created sin plus hell so he can send you there if you sin really paints how they cope with modernity smashing their religion into increasingly smaller and weaker fragments like a pane of glass being pushed down a set of stairs

We're not ignoring theodicy, we're ignoring you, most likely in a similar manner to that in which your peers ignored you throughout childhood and adolescence.

Hey man this isn't Salem you can't just burn people like that.

[Sundiata]

A loving parent would stop their child from eating crayons even if they tried lol

Extending this metaphor, God does not want people to eat crayons (sin). I'm tired of using this metaphor now.

Anyway, God is not oppressive. He lets people choose and that, for better or worse, includes choices he doesn't want us to make. I'm grateful for it because it's real love, the love is mutual, but love for humans is like a flame that needs regular rekindling.

[Lost Memories]

That example exists to picture how: Hell is self-inflicted.

Cause examples simplify, that's what they do. Are you objecting over an example not being complete?

I'm objecting to the example being really stupid, nothing more. I feel like it'd be more apt to describe someone knowingly breaking the law with full knowledge that they'll be caught and sent to prison or something if we wanted to go with a self-inflicted angle.

I agree, it is a stupid example.
And yeah, the other option of using law and criminals for exemplifying the same, about bringing trouble and suffering on oneself, could be a better option for the specific case.


Before making that crass example, I was thinking of trying to find a way to adapt the current reddit vs wall street mess, as an example for the self-idiocy of Hell.
It feels like what is going on, could work pretty well as parallel for Hell. And to explain other sins.
Look at the market speculators doubling down more and more in their unethical practices, of frauds and lying, to cover themselves from their previous abuses of the market. That feels like looking at a cycle of sin.

(an unresolved or uninterrupted cycle of sin, is Hell) (the spinning of the cycle of sin, is the fire of Hell)

[Sundiata]

It would be nice to love others unceasingly in the same way God does but that's a skill.

[Sundiata]

You know, this is why I'm not a priest. I'd be using analogies like that and end up getting in a lot of trouble.

That's the charm of the internet. In the good and in the bad.
We are all just normal persons with no special institutional responsabilities.

Well, I don't think that's true. We might not be clergy or consecrated but we're still the church. We can't be too reckless with what we say.

I say this as someone who habitually makes an ass of himself but I'm trying not to. Not just for my own sake but for God's sake.

[Lost Memories]

Maybe the bigger lesson from realizing Hell is self-inflicted, is:

To learn to use freedom to limit that freedom, to avoid the worst usages of freedom. To enjoy freedom, without the downsides of freedom.

Freedom is the presence of possibilities, and to be able to use those possibilities. What really matters is not freedom, but the Will which uses Freedom.


As God is all-powerful and the creator of the world, God has the most absolute freedom. God could twist or rewrite the very fabric of reality, but God doesn't do it, God limits his own infinite freedom, God interacts with the world while moving on fingertips, by limiting his influence in the world, to allow a stable reality to exist, where his creations can grow and strive.
Likewise, humans as created by God in his own image, have a lot of freedom (not yet at the same level of God). The freedom humans have allows them, among many good things, to also twist and mess up the upper layer of reality, yet humans need to learn how to limit and to have control over their own freedom, to avoid the worst of themselves.

What limits Freedom for one own good, is the Will. To grow and get closer to God in Will, is what really matters.
Moreso than to have freedom alone, without the will to use it well, for oneself, for others, and for God.
It's not in Freedom, but in Will, where we can get the closest to God.

[Lost Memories]

That's the charm of the internet. In the good and in the bad.
We are all just normal persons with no special institutional responsabilities.

Well, I don't think that's true. We might not be clergy or consecrated but we're still the church. We can't be too reckless with what we say.

I say this as someone who habitually makes an ass of himself but I'm trying not to. Not just for my own sake but for God's sake.

I agree, excesses are bad.

My point was rather that who has bigger roles, who has received more gifts from their God-given life, also has bigger responsabilities towards everyone.
The more one received, the more they have to give back.

[Tarsonis]

While thinking about the lash out of Banbardi, a crass example to explain Hell came to mind.
(WARNING FOR SENSIBLE ENGLISH PEOPLE: colorful language ahead)


Going to Hell is self inflicted.

The commandments of God, are like a parent telling their child to don't eat crayons.
Hell is the existential state of shitting crayons.

Crayons exist for a reason. The human body exists for a reason. Eating crayons wasn't part of the will of God.
God wills better usages of both crayons and humans. But as a loving parent, God wants his childs to figure it out themselves, and allows mistakes to happen as learning lessons.
As a loving parent, God warns about the most idiotic and self-destructive usages of his creation. Everything else is there to be explored.

But if one wants to eat crayons, they are going to shit crayons. That's Hell, the existential state of self-destructive idiocy.



(actual hell is when that existential state becomes permanent, by the permanent will of eating crayons, eating and shitting crayons for all eternity, together with others doing the same, with wagons of new others coming over time and doing the same)

As a Marine I find this analogy offensive.

[Tarsonis]

We're not ignoring theodicy, we're ignoring you, most likely in a similar manner to that in which your peers ignored you throughout childhood and adolescence.

Hey man this isn't Salem you can't just burn people like that.

Not to be that guy, but none of the victims in Salem were burned at the stake.

[Salus Maior]

As a Marine I find this analogy offensive.

[Sundiata]

Well, I don't think that's true. We might not be clergy or consecrated but we're still the church. We can't be too reckless with what we say.

I say this as someone who habitually makes an ass of himself but I'm trying not to. Not just for my own sake but for God's sake.

I agree, excesses are bad.

My point was rather that who has bigger roles, who has received more gifts from their God-given life, also has bigger responsabilities towards everyone.
The more one received, the more they have to give back.

It's tough to say, I think that our role as the laity matters just as much as the Pope's. It's honestly just as important for us to be kind to others as it is for Pope Francis to share the sacraments.

An ordinary life is a very big deal because it's so easy for Christ to pass us by in the little things we do.

[Tarsonis]

I agree, excesses are bad.

My point was rather that who has bigger roles, who has received more gifts from their God-given life, also has bigger responsabilities towards everyone.
The more one received, the more they have to give back.

It's tough to say, I think that our role as the laity matters just as much as the Pope's. It's honestly just as important for us to be kind to others as it is for Pope Francis to share the sacraments.

An ordinary life is a very big deal because it's so easy for Christ to pass us by in the little things we do.

We're all members of the universal priesthood, with Christ as our high priest.

[Sundiata]

It's tough to say, I think that our role as the laity matters just as much as the Pope's. It's honestly just as important for us to be kind to others as it is for Pope Francis to share the sacraments.

An ordinary life is a very big deal because it's so easy for Christ to pass us by in the little things we do.

We're all members of the universal priesthood, with Christ as our high priest.

Yes! So our role as the laity matters just as much as all members of the clergy.

[Lost Memories]

We're all members of the universal priesthood, with Christ as our high priest.

Yes! So our role as the laity matters just as much as all members of the clergy.

Hell is the existential state of shitting crayons.

You know, this is why I'm not a priest. I'd be using analogies like that and end up getting in a lot of trouble.

I'm sorry Sun. You may have just played yourself. Priest or not, be careful with analogies.


Condolences for the marines, btw. It must be tough.

[Tarsonis]

Yes! So our role as the laity matters just as much as all members of the clergy.

You know, this is why I'm not a priest. I'd be using analogies like that and end up getting in a lot of trouble.

I'm sorry Sun. You may have just played yourself. Priest or not, be careful with analogies.


Condolences for the marines, btw. It must be tough.

We single handedly keep Crayola afloat

[Salus Maior]

We single handedly keep Crayola afloat

You know, it's too bad the Army didn't pan out for me.

Then I could have roasted you with some proper military rivalry.

[Tarsonis]

We single handedly keep Crayola afloat

You know, it's too bad the Army didn't pan out for me.

Then I could have roasted you with some proper military rivalry.

You'd have to have joined something other than the Army then

[The New California Republic]

You know, it's too bad the Army didn't pan out for me.

Then I could have roasted you with some proper military rivalry.

You'd have to have joined something other than the Army then

[Tarsonis]

You'd have to have joined something other than the Army then

Best damn Uber drivers a boy could ask for.

[Tarsonis]

Alright, in all seriousness, today is the feast of St. Brigid of Kildare, my named Saint.

Sláinte

[Sundiata]

Yes! So our role as the laity matters just as much as all members of the clergy.

You know, this is why I'm not a priest. I'd be using analogies like that and end up getting in a lot of trouble.

I'm sorry Sun. You may have just played yourself. Priest or not, be careful with analogies.


Condolences for the marines, btw. It must be tough.

That's a fair standard.