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by Outer Acharet » Tue Aug 11, 2020 2:14 pm
News? What news? News is for people who don't have a bloated military-industrial complex strangling their apparatus of state. Wait, that sounds like a bad thing, doesn't it?
by Lost Memories » Mon Aug 17, 2020 7:06 am
by Salus Maior » Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:51 am
by Diopolis » Mon Aug 17, 2020 3:25 pm
Salus Maior wrote:A Catholic college buddy of mine coined a pretty great phrase (well, idk if he made it but I heard it from him).
The SSPX is like a porcupine; they have a lot of good points but you don't want to get too close to them.
by Luminesa » Mon Aug 17, 2020 5:42 pm
Salus Maior wrote:A Catholic college buddy of mine coined a pretty great phrase (well, idk if he made it but I heard it from him).
The SSPX is like a porcupine; they have a lot of good points but you don't want to get too close to them.
by Salus Maior » Mon Aug 17, 2020 6:21 pm
by The Archregimancy » Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:18 am
Lost Memories wrote:Today i learned the Vatican has a national football team
(their home stadium is called Field Pio XI)
by The Blaatschapen » Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:19 am
The Archregimancy wrote:Lost Memories wrote:Today i learned the Vatican has a national football team
(their home stadium is called Field Pio XI)
That's not the most remarkable thing about Vatican football.
No; the most remarkable thing about Vatican football is that they've somehow managed to cobble together a national women's football team.
I shall look forward to the next edition of the Vatican City - Mount Athos women's football derby.
by The Archregimancy » Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:31 am
The Blaatschapen wrote:The Archregimancy wrote:
That's not the most remarkable thing about Vatican football.
No; the most remarkable thing about Vatican football is that they've somehow managed to cobble together a national women's football team.
I shall look forward to the next edition of the Vatican City - Mount Athos women's football derby.
How is that a derby? Mount Athos is not in Rome.
by The Blaatschapen » Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:34 am
The Archregimancy wrote:The Blaatschapen wrote:
How is that a derby? Mount Athos is not in Rome.
'Derby' doesn't necessarily always refer to matches between teams in the same city. The Portsmouth-Southampton rivalry, for example, is referred to as the 'South Coast Derby'.
While it does usually refer to matches between teams with geographical proximity, it's increasingly informally used in English to refer to any rivalry, thematic or geographical. For example, the Perth Glory v. Wellington Phoenix A-League rivalry - the most geographically distant top-flight league match in the world (at least while Vladivostok and Kaliningrad languish in the Russian second division) - is referred to, admittedly with tongue slightly in cheek, as the 'distance derby'.
So, it would be perfectly reasonable in informal English usage to jokingly refer to a 'Vatican City - Mount Athos women's football derby' on the basis of shared unlikely religious theme.
That said, any joke you have to explain in that level of detail is automatically ruined.
by Lost Memories » Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:02 am
The Archregimancy wrote:That said, any joke you have to explain in that level of detail is automatically ruined.
by The Archregimancy » Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:01 am
Lost Memories wrote:The Archregimancy wrote:That said, any joke you have to explain in that level of detail is automatically ruined.
Nah, calling it a derby makes it sound cute, it highlights the similarities of what the teams represent.
Though, is there really a mount Athos football team? I tried to search for it, but couldn't find much on the web.
by The Blaatschapen » Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:03 am
The Archregimancy wrote:Lost Memories wrote:Nah, calling it a derby makes it sound cute, it highlights the similarities of what the teams represent.
Though, is there really a mount Athos football team? I tried to search for it, but couldn't find much on the web.
No; that was also part of the joke.
More specifically the unlikelihood that there would ever be a women's Mount Athos football team.
by Lost Memories » Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:47 am
The Archregimancy wrote:I shall look forward to the next edition of the Vatican City - Mount Athos women's football derby.
The Archregimancy wrote:No; that was also part of the joke.
More specifically the unlikelihood that there would ever be a women's Mount Athos football team.
by Lost Memories » Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:22 am
Lord of the World is a 1907 dystopian science fiction novel[1] by Monsignor Robert Hugh Benson that centres upon the reign of the Antichrist and the end of the world. It has been called prophetic by Dale Ahlquist, Joseph Pearce, Pope Benedict XVI and Pope Francis.
According to his biographer Fr. Cyril Martindale, the idea of a novel about the Antichrist was first suggested to Fr. Benson by his friend and literary mentor Frederick Rolfe in December 1905. It was Rolfe who also introduced Mgr. Benson to the writings of the French Utopian Socialist Claude Henri de Rouvroy, comte de Saint-Simon.
Writing during the pontificate of Pope Pius X and prior to the First World War, Monsignor Benson accurately predicted interstate highways, weapons of mass destruction, the use of aircraft to drop bombs on both military and civilian targets, and passenger air travel in advanced Zeppelins called "Volors".
Preface of The Dawn of All:
In a former book, called "Lord of the World," I attempted to sketch the kind of developments a hundred years hence which, I thought, might reasonably be expected if the present lines of what is called "modern thought" were only prolonged far enough; and I was informed repeatedly that the effect of the book was exceedingly depressing and discouraging to optimistic Christians. In the present book I am attempting -- also in parable form -- not in the least to withdraw anything that I said in the former, but to follow up the other lines instead, and to sketch -- again in parable -- the kind of developments, about sixty years hence which, I think, may reasonably be expected should the opposite process begin, and ancient thought (which has stood the test of centuries, and is, in a very remarkable manner, being "rediscovered" by persons even more modern than modernists) be prolonged instead. We are told occasionally by moralists that we live in very critical times, by which they mean that they are not sure whether their own side will win or not. In that sense no times can ever be critical to Catholics, since Catholics are never in any kind of doubt as to whether or no their side will win. But from another point of view every period is a critical period, since every period has within itself the conflict of two irreconcilable forces. It has been for the sake of tracing out the kind of effects that, it seemed to me, each side would experience in turn, should the other, at any rate for a while, become dominant, that I have written these two books.
The Dawn of All
...explain...how Catholicism suddenly conquered the world. This he does by annexing, more or less, the authority of the sciences, for he argues that the findings of maturing sciences, especially medicine and psychology, began to corroborate the claims of Catholicism. Illnesses, it is discovered, are almost all psychosomatic, and it is Catholicism’s cure of souls that is found to most effectively cure the body too. Miracles are confirmed by scientific observation. And so the Catholic faith comes to be generally accepted, but not really on spiritual grounds. It’s just due to an objective finding, rather than an interior conversion.
The scenario Benson describes, for instance, is perhaps not so different from how things looked in medieval times, when the Church was powerful and generally acknowledged as a teacher of truth, and when there was harmony between faith and reason. People believed in the Church more as a brute fact, like we view the political sphere, yet weren’t always greatly devout in consequence.
by Luminesa » Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:42 am
The Archregimancy wrote:The Blaatschapen wrote:
How is that a derby? Mount Athos is not in Rome.
'Derby' doesn't necessarily always refer to matches between teams in the same city. The Portsmouth-Southampton rivalry, for example, is referred to as the 'South Coast Derby'.
While it does usually refer to matches between teams with geographical proximity, it's increasingly informally used in English to refer to any rivalry, thematic or geographical. For example, the Perth Glory v. Wellington Phoenix A-League rivalry - the most geographically distant top-flight league match in the world (at least while Vladivostok and Kaliningrad languish in the Russian second division) - is referred to, admittedly with tongue slightly in cheek, as the 'distance derby'.
So, it would be perfectly reasonable in informal English usage to jokingly refer to a 'Vatican City - Mount Athos women's football derby' on the basis of shared unlikely religious theme.
That said, any joke you have to explain in that level of detail is automatically ruined.
by Lost Memories » Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:11 am
by New Visayan Islands » Wed Aug 19, 2020 7:59 am
by Diopolis » Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:38 pm
by Lost Memories » Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:21 am
Chrislam
Chrislam refers to the assemblage of Christian and Islamic religious practices in Nigeria; in particular, the series of religious movements that merged Christian and Islamic religious practice during the 1970s in Lagos, Nigeria.[1] The movement was pioneered by Yoruba peoples in south-west Nigeria.
Chrislam works against the conventional understanding of Christianity and Islam as two separate and exclusive religions, seeking out commonalities between both religions and promoting an inclusive union of the two.[1] Chrislam also occupies a distinct geographical space; Nigeria is often understood to be geographically and religiously polarized, with a predominantly Christian base in the South, and a Muslim base in the North. However, the Yoruba peoples that occupy the South-Western Yorubaland region of Nigeria are almost evenly divided between Christian and Muslim populations.
First Wave: Ifeoluwa (1976-)
The first dated Chrislam movement is traced to a Yoruba man named Tela Tella.[1] It is generally known that Tella was originally a Muslim prior to his revelations that necessitated his career as a Chrislam preacher. Ifeoluwa is translated from Yoruba to mean “The Love of God Mission”, which Tella uses to refer to his Chrislam mission. Similar to Islam, Ifeoluwa is based on 5 pillars: ‘love’, ‘mercy’, ‘joy’, ‘good deeds’, and ‘truth’.[1]
Tella conducts services for a small congregation in Lagos, who meet weekly on Saturdays. Tella explains that he did not want to conduct services on Friday because it leant itself to the Muslim faith, nor on Sundays for fear of favoring the Christian faith.
Once a year, a pilgrimage to "Mount Authority" is made, which lasts for 3 days of uninterrupted prayer and fasting. Tella states that like Muslims have Mecca, and Christians have Jerusalem, the holy site of pilgrimage for Chrislamists is Mount Authority, which was divinely chosen by God.
Tella states that the holy scriptures of Islam and Christianity are “incomplete and contain some inaccuracies”.[1] Hence, Tella is working on compiling the Ifeoluwa Book, which will be the last Holy Book containing his divine revelations.[1] Tella’s teachings focus on the closeness of Christianity and Islam, and how God does not love one religion over the other.[1]
... is a jihadist terrorist organization based in northeastern Nigeria, also active in Chad, Niger and northern Cameroon.
Founded by Mohammed Yusuf in 2002.
Since the current insurgency started in 2009, Boko Haram has killed tens of thousands and displaced 2.3 million from their homes[19] and was at one time the world's deadliest terror group according to the Global Terrorism Index.
The Grail Movement is an organization which originated in Germany in the late 1940s, inspired by the work of the self-proclaimed Messiah Oskar Ernst Bernhardt (also known by his pen name Abd-ru-shin), principally In the Light of Truth: The Grail Message. Abd-ru-shin did not establish the organization; the Movement as it exists today was formally organized by followers.
The Grail Movement is a new spiritual movement dedicated to the dissemination and spread of the work In the Light of Truth: The Grail Message by Abd-ru-shin.
by Ghost in the Shell » Fri Aug 21, 2020 4:00 pm
Salus Maior wrote:A Catholic college buddy of mine coined a pretty great phrase (well, idk if he made it but I heard it from him).
The SSPX is like a porcupine; they have a lot of good points but you don't want to get too close to them.
This has been canonically dealt with- as in the penalties were lifted ten years ago
(although in the interests of full disclosure, one of them turned out to be a nut and went underground consecrating another bishop every other year or so. He is now separate from the SSPX but still calls himself the SSPX. If you hear someone talking about "the true SSPX" or similar, that's who they're referring to. And they're quite far off the deep end, even by my standards.).
The SSPX's current problem is largely their tendency to do things without getting permission from local bishops.
Relations with the Vatican are... odd and complicated, but on the official level they tend to be treated as if they're already part of the church by Rome, and usually by local bishops when they bother to ask.
by Luminesa » Fri Aug 21, 2020 4:04 pm
Ghost in the Shell wrote:Luminesa wrote:At least a porcupine recognizes it has a head.
Every SSPX chapel has a portrait of Pope Francis and masses said by SSPX priests are una cum, which is why sedevacantists like Sanborn et al say it is a mortal sin to attend SSPX masses.Salus Maior wrote:A Catholic college buddy of mine coined a pretty great phrase (well, idk if he made it but I heard it from him).
The SSPX is like a porcupine; they have a lot of good points but you don't want to get too close to them.
Nah, you absolutely do. Diocesan TLMs, the FSSP and ICKSP have some great priests, very intelligent people who will provide great spiritual advice, and I still have a soft spot for the Diocesan TLM priest near me and my old priest who was affiliated with the FSSP, but the SSPX is a whole other level. SSPX priests don't take orders from modernist bishops who will forbid them from giving the sacraments in line with the 1962 Missal because of some social distancing bullshit. The SSPX and the older FSSP priests (who tend to be like 99% theologically aligned with the SSPX) are the only ones who are willing to be straight forward about the Council and the problems the Church is facing today. I don't have an issue with people going to FSSP/ICKSP parishes but if I was away from home and the choice was NOM, FSSP, ICKSP or SSPX I would go to SSPX just for quality of priests they produce.Diopolis wrote:Not precisely.
The SSPX consecrated four bishops without permission.
There is a state of necessity in the Church. Archbishop Lefebvre's writings make it clear he believed this, therefore he didn't need papal permission.This has been canonically dealt with- as in the penalties were lifted ten years ago
There was no excommunications in the first place.(although in the interests of full disclosure, one of them turned out to be a nut and went underground consecrating another bishop every other year or so. He is now separate from the SSPX but still calls himself the SSPX. If you hear someone talking about "the true SSPX" or similar, that's who they're referring to. And they're quite far off the deep end, even by my standards.).
Yes, Bishop Williamson is a very intelligent man but one of those people who is too intelligent they go absolutely crazy and let their intelligence be overshadowed by the insane stuff they spew out every now and then.The SSPX's current problem is largely their tendency to do things without getting permission from local bishops.
Such as what?Relations with the Vatican are... odd and complicated, but on the official level they tend to be treated as if they're already part of the church by Rome, and usually by local bishops when they bother to ask.
The SSPX as an organisation has no canonical status but their priests are validly and licitly ordained (something the Vatican has affirmed since like 1976), as are their sacraments.
by Ghost in the Shell » Fri Aug 21, 2020 4:06 pm
Luminesa wrote:That “social distancing bull****” is what’s keeping churches open.
by Luminesa » Fri Aug 21, 2020 4:32 pm
Ghost in the Shell wrote:Luminesa wrote:That “social distancing bull****” is what’s keeping churches open.
Maybe where you live, but they were shut down for 4 months here. Four months with no sacraments and no mass. And now that they've reopened there are only two priests in my entire country that are giving communion on the tongue and they sure as hell aren't FSSP or ICKSP.
by Ghost in the Shell » Fri Aug 21, 2020 4:49 pm
Luminesa wrote:Ghost in the Shell wrote:Maybe where you live, but they were shut down for 4 months here. Four months with no sacraments and no mass. And now that they've reopened there are only two priests in my entire country that are giving communion on the tongue and they sure as hell aren't FSSP or ICKSP.
I mean they were closed for two months here too. I don’t like receiving on the hands either, but any Eucharist is better than not Eucharist.
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