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What is your denomination?

Roman Catholic
263
38%
Eastern Orthodox
47
7%
Non-Chalcedonian (Oriental Orthodox, Church of the East, etc.)
6
1%
Anglican/Episcopalian
35
5%
Lutheran or Reformed (including Calvinist, Presbyterian, etc.)
71
10%
Methodist
16
2%
Baptist
66
9%
Other Evangelical Protestant (Pentecostal, Charismatic, etc.)
62
9%
Restorationist (LDS Movement, Jehovah's Witness, etc.)
32
5%
Other Christian
97
14%
 
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Postby Luminesa » Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:50 am

Germanic Templars wrote:So here is a thing that has happened: Jesus statue beheaded at Catholic church in South Florida.
Thoughts on this?

This is horrifying. People are burning statues of Mary and now beheading statues of Jesus?! This is blasphemy! How horrible. We must pray for our country, and for the world, these are intended to be attacks against Christians and against Christ Himself, and the Devil is laughing at such awfulness. Whether it’s this or any churches that have been set on fire this month.
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Postby New Visayan Islands » Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:15 am

Luminesa wrote:
Germanic Templars wrote:So here is a thing that has happened: Jesus statue beheaded at Catholic church in South Florida.
Thoughts on this?

This is horrifying. People are burning statues of Mary and now beheading statues of Jesus?! This is blasphemy! How horrible. We must pray for our country, and for the world, these are intended to be attacks against Christians and against Christ Himself, and the Devil is laughing at such awfulness. Whether it’s this or any churches that have been set on fire this month.

Saw a post about a church in France getting the torch. The comments on social media...you'd have thought people were calling for a full-fledged pogrom against the Catholic faithful if some of the comments are any indication.
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Postby Lower Nubia » Sun Jul 19, 2020 1:11 pm

New Visayan Islands wrote:
Luminesa wrote:This is horrifying. People are burning statues of Mary and now beheading statues of Jesus?! This is blasphemy! How horrible. We must pray for our country, and for the world, these are intended to be attacks against Christians and against Christ Himself, and the Devil is laughing at such awfulness. Whether it’s this or any churches that have been set on fire this month.

Saw a post about a church in France getting the torch. The comments on social media...you'd have thought people were calling for a full-fledged pogrom against the Catholic faithful if some of the comments are any indication.


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Postby Tarsonis » Sun Jul 19, 2020 3:47 pm

there was another fire in the Phillipines where the only thing to survive were the consecrated hosts, and the fully wooden Crucifix.
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Postby Aeritai » Sun Jul 19, 2020 3:50 pm

Tarsonis wrote:there was another fire in the Phillipines where the only thing to survive were the consecrated hosts, and the fully wooden Crucifix.


Now that's a miracle! Though it is concerning that more Churches are being set on fire does this have something to do with the protest or just random Anti-Christian people?
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Postby Lost Memories » Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:08 pm

There may have been more attacks on the trail of the latest protests.
But there may also be some effect from the media giving some more visibility to attacks on churches or similar religious structures/objects.

It's not like violent actions against christians were unknown before, France for example is having a streak of attacks on churches since years
https://fullfact.org/online/french-church-map/
https://www.christianophobie.fr/carte

We're often lucky to live in places peaceful enough to not see these attacks in first person, but they do happen, not rarely, and very often they aren't covered properly by the media.
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Postby New Visayan Islands » Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:04 pm

Aeritai wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:there was another fire in the Phillipines where the only thing to survive were the consecrated hosts, and the fully wooden Crucifix.


Now that's a miracle! Though it is concerning that more Churches are being set on fire does this have something to do with the protest or just random Anti-Christian people?

While the comment section is full of netizens dancing on the church's ashes (many of whom are speculated to be from the Iglesia ni Cristo, a homegrown restorationist sect), no, this looked like an isolated incident unrelated to any anti-Christian sentiment elsewhere. Granted, it was a punt to the cultural nuts, but still.
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Postby Luminesa » Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:47 am

New Visayan Islands wrote:
Luminesa wrote:This is horrifying. People are burning statues of Mary and now beheading statues of Jesus?! This is blasphemy! How horrible. We must pray for our country, and for the world, these are intended to be attacks against Christians and against Christ Himself, and the Devil is laughing at such awfulness. Whether it’s this or any churches that have been set on fire this month.

Saw a post about a church in France getting the torch. The comments on social media...you'd have thought people were calling for a full-fledged pogrom against the Catholic faithful if some of the comments are any indication.

Twitter?
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Postby New Visayan Islands » Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:06 am

Luminesa wrote:
New Visayan Islands wrote:Saw a post about a church in France getting the torch. The comments on social media...you'd have thought people were calling for a full-fledged pogrom against the Catholic faithful if some of the comments are any indication.

Twitter?

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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:25 am

I know I've never really talked about religion here on NS, mainly because I'm not very good at it. Anyway, I just got back from a missions trip that I went on through my church. It was a small town, filled with rundown houses and empty lots. While there, I think I found my calling in life. I think God is trying to tell me to learn a trade and use those skills to fix up broken down houses in places like that, free of charge to the residents. Sorry if I'm incoherent and rambling. I'm not good at talking about religion.
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Pax Nerdvana wrote:I know I've never really talked about religion here on NS, mainly because I'm not very good at it. Anyway, I just got back from a missions trip that I went on through my church. It was a small town, filled with rundown houses and empty lots. While there, I think I found my calling in life. I think God is trying to tell me to learn a trade and use those skills to fix up broken down houses in places like that, free of charge to the residents. Sorry if I'm incoherent and rambling. I'm not good at talking about religion.

It's fine, Pax. We all have our stories to share; so long as the point is driven across you should be good to go.
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Postby Aeritai » Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:41 am

Pax Nerdvana wrote:I know I've never really talked about religion here on NS, mainly because I'm not very good at it. Anyway, I just got back from a missions trip that I went on through my church. It was a small town, filled with rundown houses and empty lots. While there, I think I found my calling in life. I think God is trying to tell me to learn a trade and use those skills to fix up broken down houses in places like that, free of charge to the residents. Sorry if I'm incoherent and rambling. I'm not good at talking about religion.


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New Visayan Islands wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:I know I've never really talked about religion here on NS, mainly because I'm not very good at it. Anyway, I just got back from a missions trip that I went on through my church. It was a small town, filled with rundown houses and empty lots. While there, I think I found my calling in life. I think God is trying to tell me to learn a trade and use those skills to fix up broken down houses in places like that, free of charge to the residents. Sorry if I'm incoherent and rambling. I'm not good at talking about religion.

It's fine, Pax. We all have our stories to share; so long as the point is driven across you should be good to go.

Thanks, that makes me feel better. I can be a little long winded at times.
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Pax Nerdvana wrote:I know I've never really talked about religion here on NS, mainly because I'm not very good at it. Anyway, I just got back from a missions trip that I went on through my church. It was a small town, filled with rundown houses and empty lots. While there, I think I found my calling in life. I think God is trying to tell me to learn a trade and use those skills to fix up broken down houses in places like that, free of charge to the residents. Sorry if I'm incoherent and rambling. I'm not good at talking about religion.


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Pax Nerdvana wrote:I know I've never really talked about religion here on NS, mainly because I'm not very good at it. Anyway, I just got back from a missions trip that I went on through my church. It was a small town, filled with rundown houses and empty lots. While there, I think I found my calling in life. I think God is trying to tell me to learn a trade and use those skills to fix up broken down houses in places like that, free of charge to the residents. Sorry if I'm incoherent and rambling. I'm not good at talking about religion.

That’s not rambling! I’m so glad you’ve felt that calling in your heart! :hug:

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Catholics and Orthodox have joined together in designating Friday July 24th as a Day of Mourning over the Turkish Government's regrettable decision to revert the Hagia Sofia back into a mosque. The USCCB directs Catholics to recite the Akathist Hymn, or if they're unfamiliar with it, to recite a fully Rosary.
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So random question - since I haven't been here in a while. I've been reading more and more lately and have come to the conclusion that while I've been Presbyterian - and Christian - for about seven years now, some of my beliefs align more with Lutheran tradition than Presbyterian tradition. Though some of my beliefs definitely continue to align with Presbyterian tradition.

I guess my question is rather than calling myself nondenominational for not fitting into the box of any one denomination, is there any basis in Christian tradition to call yourself two different denominations, so labeling myself a Presbyterian Lutheran?

Sure, I know at the basis of anything personally, all that matters with labels is how I label myself and not what others think of me, but I was wondering if there are any popular examples of this in modern times or even the ancient church or throughout history - pre-reformation or post-reformation, etc.
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Kannap wrote:So random question - since I haven't been here in a while. I've been reading more and more lately and have come to the conclusion that while I've been Presbyterian - and Christian - for about seven years now, some of my beliefs align more with Lutheran tradition than Presbyterian tradition. Though some of my beliefs definitely continue to align with Presbyterian tradition.

I guess my question is rather than calling myself nondenominational for not fitting into the box of any one denomination, is there any basis in Christian tradition to call yourself two different denominations, so labeling myself a Presbyterian Lutheran?

Sure, I know at the basis of anything personally, all that matters with labels is how I label myself and not what others think of me, but I was wondering if there are any popular examples of this in modern times or even the ancient church or throughout history - pre-reformation or post-reformation, etc.


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The Rich Port wrote:
Kannap wrote:So random question - since I haven't been here in a while. I've been reading more and more lately and have come to the conclusion that while I've been Presbyterian - and Christian - for about seven years now, some of my beliefs align more with Lutheran tradition than Presbyterian tradition. Though some of my beliefs definitely continue to align with Presbyterian tradition.

I guess my question is rather than calling myself nondenominational for not fitting into the box of any one denomination, is there any basis in Christian tradition to call yourself two different denominations, so labeling myself a Presbyterian Lutheran?

Sure, I know at the basis of anything personally, all that matters with labels is how I label myself and not what others think of me, but I was wondering if there are any popular examples of this in modern times or even the ancient church or throughout history - pre-reformation or post-reformation, etc.


Just invent your own church, it's what I'm gonna do. Reverend Rich Port at your service, New Church of the Cathars :D


You're awfully smug for someone in crusading distance.
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Just invent your own church, it's what I'm gonna do. Reverend Rich Port at your service, New Church of the Cathars :D


You're awfully smug for someone in crusading distance.


Oh yeah I bet the Pope is gonna get right on that shit.

The Vatican has been shitting in their indulgence collection pots ever since Protestantism went full Harry Potter fandom on their asses.

Jesus/Holy Spirit is very popular I hear.
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You're awfully smug for someone in crusading distance.


Oh yeah I bet the Pope is gonna get right on that shit.

The Vatican has been shitting in their indulgence collection pots ever since Protestantism went full Harry Potter fandom on their asses.

Jesus/Holy Spirit is very popular I hear.


Please, the pope delegates.


Also I was just kidding around, there was no call to get nasty.
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The Rich Port wrote:
Oh yeah I bet the Pope is gonna get right on that shit.

The Vatican has been shitting in their indulgence collection pots ever since Protestantism went full Harry Potter fandom on their asses.

Jesus/Holy Spirit is very popular I hear.


Please, the pope delegates.


Also I was just kidding around, there was no call to get nasty.


And I am not kidding.

I saw the Jesus/Holy Spirit with my own eyeballs.

Crusade that. You literally cannot stop THE LOVE.
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The Rich Port wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Please, the pope delegates.


Also I was just kidding around, there was no call to get nasty.


And I am not kidding.

I saw the Jesus/Holy Spirit with my own eyeballs.

Crusade that. You literally cannot stop THE LOVE.



This is why we can't have nice things, Rich.
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Postby The Rich Port » Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:29 pm

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And I am not kidding.

I saw the Jesus/Holy Spirit with my own eyeballs.

Crusade that. You literally cannot stop THE LOVE.



This is why we can't have nice things, Rich.


Yeah, I literally didn't genocide 10,000 Cathars did I so XD

Oh well at least ONE bishop apologized.

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Postby Luminesa » Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:03 pm

Kannap wrote:So random question - since I haven't been here in a while. I've been reading more and more lately and have come to the conclusion that while I've been Presbyterian - and Christian - for about seven years now, some of my beliefs align more with Lutheran tradition than Presbyterian tradition. Though some of my beliefs definitely continue to align with Presbyterian tradition.

I guess my question is rather than calling myself nondenominational for not fitting into the box of any one denomination, is there any basis in Christian tradition to call yourself two different denominations, so labeling myself a Presbyterian Lutheran?

Sure, I know at the basis of anything personally, all that matters with labels is how I label myself and not what others think of me, but I was wondering if there are any popular examples of this in modern times or even the ancient church or throughout history - pre-reformation or post-reformation, etc.

There's been a LOOOOOOT of splits which make for some odd flavors of Protestantism. For example, there's at least 30 different kinds of Baptist churches in the US alone:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_B ... ted_States

I'm not sure on the differences between them, however, but I can give you some links to examine them:
http://www.differencebetween.net/miscel ... sbyterian/
https://classroom.synonym.com/lutheran- ... 86699.html

It looks like there are some churches which do combine the beliefs of both churches, but if you're finding yourself caught between the two, the best thing would be to pray and discern on the direction in which God is calling you. Confusion and anxiety come from the Devil, so prayer for peace and wisdom in your decision comes from God. I hope you shall find that peace. :hug:
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