by Trollzyn the Infinite » Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:47 am
by Ifreann » Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:50 am
by Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:53 am
by Washington Resistance Army » Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:54 am
by Trollzyn the Infinite » Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:56 am
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Freedom of speech and association being some of the most important rights in any civilised society, no.
by Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:56 am
Washington Resistance Army wrote:We should outlaw all communist parties tbh
by Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:57 am
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Freedom of speech and association being some of the most important rights in any civilised society, no.
Normally I'd agree, but a line must be drawn when a political organizations engages in covert acts of espionage at the behest of a foreign power.
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by Drongonia » Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:59 am
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by Trollzyn the Infinite » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:01 am
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Normally I'd agree, but a line must be drawn when a political organizations engages in covert acts of espionage at the behest of a foreign power.
If its members have broken espionage laws, they should be prosecuted. The party however should not be shut down for its ideology.
Cosmicium wrote:Wow, the CPUSA is such a threat with its 5,000 members and ONE local seat! Obviously that's enough to overthrow the ENTIRE American government!
/s, if you didn't get it already
by Satuga » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:03 am
by Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:03 am
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Greater vakolicci haven wrote:If its members have broken espionage laws, they should be prosecuted. The party however should not be shut down for its ideology.
I'm not suggesting it should be shut down for it's ideology. I'm suggesting it be shut down for collaborating with the foreign intelligence agencies of a former enemy for over 50 years and there's nothing to suggest the party is no longer open to committing such actions again. The party itself has escape punishment, and that should be rectified unless we want other organizations to think they can do the same.Cosmicium wrote:Wow, the CPUSA is such a threat with its 5,000 members and ONE local seat! Obviously that's enough to overthrow the ENTIRE American government!
/s, if you didn't get it already
No matter how small a threat is when left unaddressed it has the potential to become more potent and powerful. Or did you learn nothing from WWII?
by Trollzyn the Infinite » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:03 am
Drongonia wrote:I think if any members of the party have done anything illegal, they should be punished to the full extent of the law. However, outlawing an entire party based on its (admittedly awful) ideology isn't very freedom-esque.
by Trollzyn the Infinite » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:04 am
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
I'm not suggesting it should be shut down for it's ideology. I'm suggesting it be shut down for collaborating with the foreign intelligence agencies of a former enemy for over 50 years and there's nothing to suggest the party is no longer open to committing such actions again. The party itself has escape punishment, and that should be rectified unless we want other organizations to think they can do the same.
No matter how small a threat is when left unaddressed it has the potential to become more potent and powerful. Or did you learn nothing from WWII?
I think you've missed the statute of limitations here.
by Satuga » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:04 am
by Ifreann » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:04 am
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Freedom of speech and association being some of the most important rights in any civilised society, no.
Normally I'd agree, but a line must be drawn when a political organizations engages in covert acts of espionage at the behest of a foreign power.
by Dumb Ideologies » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:05 am
by Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:05 am
by Gormwood » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:05 am
by Drongonia » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:06 am
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Again, it's not because of the ideology. Why is this so hard to understand? There are dozens of Left-wing political parties in the USA, I am drawing attention to a single one that has - in the past - committed actual acts of espionage.
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by Trollzyn the Infinite » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:10 am
Ifreann wrote:Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Normally I'd agree, but a line must be drawn when a political organizations engages in covert acts of espionage at the behest of a foreign power.
Why there exactly? Why are the many and varied crimes of other American organisations not warrant them being disbanded?
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Satuga wrote:I doubt even if the party was banned that it would devolve that far.
The point is that once one party has been banned, you've crossed the rubicon as applies to banning political parties. It'll become much easier to get over the opposition to banning a party if it has been done before.
Gormwood wrote:Validating and hyping a perennial also-ran that couldn't be implicated in a plot to organize a hippie commune by demanding they be banned and disbanded. Do you also plan to boost Nike sales by hiring some guerillas to gun down customers at shoe stores?
Drongonia wrote:Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Again, it's not because of the ideology. Why is this so hard to understand? There are dozens of Left-wing political parties in the USA, I am drawing attention to a single one that has - in the past - committed actual acts of espionage.
That's fine, but unless you have proof that every single person in the party has done something illegal it should not be disbanded. Even if there was a single person left at CPUSA who hadn't done anything wrong they should be able to go ahead and hire people back to the party and begin anew.
by The New California Republic » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:13 am
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by Rojava Free State » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:16 am
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