Is it disrespectful to sit during the Pledge?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Yeah, guess its the point tho

Personally think pledges of allegiance, especially for children are fucking stupid but hey thats just me.

It's actually something you'd expect an authoritarian state to do.

I wish America was more authoritarian

No you dont.

[Necroghastia]

Define "any real capacity." Also, again, regardless of that, what is wrong with the idea itself?


Why? Also I notice that you did not answer the question.

1. On democracy, the system in it's various forms worked for awhile, but it has been easily corrupted by very rich individuals and corporations. (thats the short answer)

2. "Any real capacity" refers to the limited freedom of poor whites and virtually nonexistent rights of African-Americans up until various points, and the current illusion of freedom given to all americans by the various corporations and individuals that have a stranglehold on the US government.

3. There is nothing wrong with the idea of true, non-degenerate freedom.

4. Why only in a respectful manner? Because otherwise it would be a mob riot

What do you mean by "non-degenerate?"
And it's perfectly plausible to express dissatisfaction in a disrespectful way without creating a "mob riot." Such as, y'know, refusing to stand for the pledge.
And even then, many gains toward freedom were accomplished by the people rioting against those who would seek to stifle them.

[Samadhi]

It's disrespectful to have a pledge.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

Mindlessly reciting a pledge doesn't seem like a good way to instil good citizenship. Especially not with that "Under God" bit.

You are not suppose to say it mindlessly, its suppose to be said as a positive affermation of our beliefs in the country.

And saying "one nation, a little to the left of god", would sound silly.

What if you are an atheist, or an agnostic? Should you really be forced to pledge allegiance to a deity you don't even regard as real?

[Iridencia]

I wish America was more authoritarian

No you dont.

Everyone does, up until there's a chance that the authoritarian state will pick up values that they don't share. Then they learn the value of democracy pretty damn fast.

[Godular]

You are not suppose to say it mindlessly, its suppose to be said as a positive affermation of our beliefs in the country.

And saying "one nation, a little to the left of god", would sound silly.

What if you are an atheist, or an agnostic? Should you really be forced to pledge allegiance to a deity you don't even regard as real?

And the 'Under God' wasn't even original to the pledge.

[Drongonia]

I'd say so, but you have the right to sit if you want to show that disrespect.

[Dytarma]

You are not suppose to say it mindlessly, its suppose to be said as a positive affermation of our beliefs in the country.

And saying "one nation, a little to the left of god", would sound silly.

What if you are an atheist, or an agnostic? Should you really be forced to pledge allegiance to a deity you don't even regard as real?

As an atheist saying the pledge, I simply don't say that. My lips shut as shown, "...one nation, -----, indivisible..."

[Ethel mermania]

You are not suppose to say it mindlessly, its suppose to be said as a positive affermation of our beliefs in the country.

And saying "one nation, a little to the left of god", would sound silly.

But you don't need to say it to believe in those things. As many have argued here, one could even say that the notion of there being an expectation to recite the pledge is against those very beliefs.

Or we could just leave God out of it altogether. He doesn't need to be part of this equation.

I would say it is a refutation of those beliefs to forbid people from not saying it.

If we consider the declaration of independence as a founding document, god does work into it. That said, I would have no objection with the "under god" being removed. If I remember right that phrase was added in the 1950's. I do agree, belief in god is not a requirement to belief in America.

[Ethel mermania]

You are not suppose to say it mindlessly, its suppose to be said as a positive affermation of our beliefs in the country.

And saying "one nation, a little to the left of god", would sound silly.

What if you are an atheist, or an agnostic? Should you really be forced to pledge allegiance to a deity you don't even regard as real?

It wasnt there originally, I would be ok with taking it out.

[Farnhamia]

American citizens should not have the right to disrespect the nation or it's dead. It should, in fact, be a punishable offense.

Good thing the First Amendment doesn't grant authoritarian exceptions for the sake of pearlclutching snowflakes like you.

Seriously? You were so close to the border you could have stopped in at the duty-free shop and gotten me some of that good chocolate they stock.

[Treadwellia]

A great many soldiers here in the United States will openly acknowledge that they put their own lives at risk, or their friends and fellow soldiers gave theirs, so that the people in America have the right to do as they please within the freedoms expressed in the Constitution, including the right to not show the respect to the nation or to those who fought for it. They might not personally care for those who do, but the soldiers I have met, at least, including my late great-uncle who was a lifelong Marine drill sergeant, will often say in no uncertain terms that they fought to maintain that freedom of choice and action so that we would not end up like countries that completely lack said freedoms.

In addition, some may opt to not stand during the Pledge of Allegiance or the national anthem because their loyalties lie to other nations, such as visitors to the United States or to those whose citizenship lies with another country. While they might not have anything against America in particular, it puts them in a weird place to be joining everyone in pledging allegiance to the United States when their allegiance is truly elsewhere in their hearts and birthrights.

[Rainbowsix]

Who is it who is being disrespected by someone declining to pledge allegiance to America?

i don't know maybe the people who died for you're freedom and sacrificed their lives for our safety... just a thought

[Vassenor]

Who is it who is being disrespected by someone declining to pledge allegiance to America?

i don't know maybe the people who died for you're freedom and sacrificed their lives for our safety... just a thought

Disrespecting someone by exercising the rights they fought for. That's a weird-ass doublethink right there.

[Rainbowsix]

i don't know maybe the people who died for you're freedom and sacrificed their lives for our safety... just a thought

Disrespecting someone by exercising the rights they fought for. That's a weird-ass doublethink right there.

what rights did you fight for? all you're doing is sitting down... thats seems like a bit selfish and lazy.. but thats normal in america with people now and days.. imo u "exercising your rights" is just 2 go gain attention.. its an attention seeking move... and very disrespectful

[Ifreann]

Mindlessly reciting a pledge doesn't seem like a good way to instil good citizenship. Especially not with that "Under God" bit.

You are not suppose to say it mindlessly, its suppose to be said as a positive affermation of our beliefs in the country.

And saying "one nation, a little to the left of god", would sound silly.

Not mentioning God at all might be an idea.

[Rainbowsix]

It's disrespectful to have a pledge.

how? every country has an anthem?

[Vassenor]

Disrespecting someone by exercising the rights they fought for. That's a weird-ass doublethink right there.

what rights did you fight for? all you're doing is sitting down... thats seems like a bit selfish and lazy.. but thats normal in america with people now and days.. imo u "exercising your rights" is just 2 go gain attention.. its an attention seeking move... and very disrespectful

You're saying that people who sit during the pledge are disrespecting the people who fought for them to have the freedom to do that.

[The New California Republic]

It's disrespectful to have a pledge.

how? every country has an anthem?

An anthem =/= a pledge that is recited in schools and at sporting events.

[Heloin]

It's disrespectful to have a pledge.

how? every country has an anthem?

How many countries have a pledge?

[Rainbowsix]

what rights did you fight for? all you're doing is sitting down... thats seems like a bit selfish and lazy.. but thats normal in america with people now and days.. imo u "exercising your rights" is just 2 go gain attention.. its an attention seeking move... and very disrespectful

You're saying that people who sit during the pledge are disrespecting the people who fought for them to have the freedom to do that.

they didn't fight for their lives for you to sit and kneel or whatever BS... they fought to keep everyone safe... if they saw you kneeling or sitting they would be offended...

[Kernen]

Disrespecting someone by exercising the rights they fought for. That's a weird-ass doublethink right there.

what rights did you fight for? all you're doing is sitting down... thats seems like a bit selfish and lazy.. but thats normal in america with people now and days.. imo u "exercising your rights" is just 2 go gain attention.. its an attention seeking move... and very disrespectful

The great thing about the USA is that you don't have to participate in a brainwashing pledge if you don't want to, no matter what you've fought for or not fought for.

[Vassenor]

You're saying that people who sit during the pledge are disrespecting the people who fought for them to have the freedom to do that.

they didn't fight for their lives for you to sit and kneel or whatever BS... they fought to keep everyone safe... if they saw you kneeling or sitting they would be offended...

Fun fact - "Take a Knee" started on the advice of a U.S. Army veteran.

[Kernen]

You're saying that people who sit during the pledge are disrespecting the people who fought for them to have the freedom to do that.

they didn't fight for their lives for you to sit and kneel or whatever BS... they fought to keep everyone safe... if they saw you kneeling or sitting they would be offended...

If they're offended over my sitting or kneeling, they're probably snowflakes.

[Rainbowsix]

what rights did you fight for? all you're doing is sitting down... thats seems like a bit selfish and lazy.. but thats normal in america with people now and days.. imo u "exercising your rights" is just 2 go gain attention.. its an attention seeking move... and very disrespectful

The great thing about the USA is that you don't have to participate in a brainwashing pledge if you don't want to, no matter what you've fought for or not fought for.

you don't have to but it would make u seem like a ****