Why do we sanction North Korea?

[Munkcestrian Republic]

The US is even worse on that front, they actually did nuke Japan and haven’t apologised for it and plenty of Americans like to make hilarious jokes about how “two nukes wasn’t enough” (next, of course, they’ll be telling Jews “six million wasn’t enough”)

During a state of worldwide war. You can argue whether or not it was justifiable to nuke Japan, that's another thread. But at that point Japan was a hostile nation and an aggressor. What do Japan, South Korea and Australia actively do that warrants them being blown off the face of the planet?

to North Korea those countries and the United States are all hostile and aggressors.

[Raider Clans]

Start by not threatening surrounding nations.

Meanwhile, India and Pakistan keep threatening each other, but no sanctions on them.

India and Pakistan aren't dictatorships, and haven't threatened non-nuclear states.

[Drongonia]

Oh I don't know... Maybe because they have made repeated threats to attack Japan, South Korea, the United States and even Australia with nuclear arms? Maybe it's because they flout both international diplomatic etiquette and rules of law with their flagrant human rights abuses and apparent disdain towards any kind of democracy? Or it could be because they have an illegal counterfeiting operation worth billions of US Dollars and British Pounds? Or perhaps it's because they shoot people who try to leave the country illegally, regardless of whether they're citizens, tourists or soldiers?

That's the kind of stuff that doesn't happen in Saudi Arabia. Not saying the Saudis are perfect, they aren't, but they aren't complete scum like the North Korean Kim dynasty.

EDIT: Oh, or could it be that there have been multiple substantiated reports that North Korean special agents scoop people up from the coasts of Japan and South Korea to interrogate them, as if they'll be able to provide some kind of insight into how their home country works?

There's ample evidence to prove that the Saudi government was involved in 9/11
not to mention the US' funding of the Mujahideen during the cold war

I'm not sure why you've decided to use Saudi Arabia as a be-all, end-all comparison with North Korea. If the sanctions on NK were lifted, they would waste no time in importing the materials for more weapons from China and tooling themselves up for a nuclear winter, rather than feeding their people or improving their development - as many would baselessly imagine. Saudi Arabia on the other hand... not so much.

[Kanadorika]

Maybe because they have made repeated threats to attack Japan [...] with nuclear arms?

The US is even worse on that front, they actually did nuke Japan and haven’t apologised for it and plenty of Americans like to make hilarious jokes about how “two nukes wasn’t enough” (next, of course, they’ll be telling Jews “six million wasn’t enough”)

Why should the US apologize for swiftly ending the most horrific war in human history?

[Drongonia]

During a state of worldwide war. You can argue whether or not it was justifiable to nuke Japan, that's another thread. But at that point Japan was a hostile nation and an aggressor. What do Japan, South Korea and Australia actively do that warrants them being blown off the face of the planet?

to North Korea those countries and the United States are all hostile and aggressors.

South Korea, maybe. But what do Japan and Australia actively do to be aggressive and hostile towards North Korea? North Korea are the ones who fired rockets over Japan as a "test" not that long ago, remember?

[Kowani]

to North Korea those countries and the United States are all hostile and aggressors.

South Korea, maybe. But what do Japan and Australia actively do to be aggressive and hostile towards North Korea? North Korea are the ones who fired rockets over Japan as a "test" not that long ago, remember?

I know Japan actively works with the US for military intelligence against NK.
Australia…nope, nothing.

[Conifer Grove]

There's ample evidence to prove that the Saudi government was involved in 9/11
not to mention the US' funding of the Mujahideen during the cold war

I'm not sure why you've decided to use Saudi Arabia as a be-all, end-all comparison with North Korea. If the sanctions on NK were lifted, they would waste no time in importing the materials for more weapons from China and tooling themselves up for a nuclear winter, rather than feeding their people or improving their development - as many would baselessly imagine. Saudi Arabia on the other hand... not so much.

I think that sanctions are harming the wrong people.
KJU is still able to live a decadent lifestyle and has found numerous ways to violate them.
I personally view NKs obsession with their military might as a distraction from their economic woes.
If sanctions were removed than it could pacify them - they haven't been in active conflcit with another nation for over 65 years and I don't think that China would let them.

[Neanderthaland]

Why do we sanction North Korea when there are countries with arguably worse human rights conditions such as Saudi Arabia?

In North Korea women have the same rights as men.
In North Korea there are many different religious beliefs tolerated, while in Saudi Arabia only one is.
In North Korea there was never any laws against homosexuality meanwhile in Saudi Arabia gay people are killed by the state.


The US currently supports a Saudi led war in Yemen that has led to the deaths of over 230,000 people.

I propose we remove sanctions on the DPRK (North Korea).

Very well. Let's sanction Saudi Arabia.

But let's keep sanctions on North Korea, because they're objectively awful. And no amount of whataboutism changes that.

[Conifer Grove]

South Korea, maybe. But what do Japan and Australia actively do to be aggressive and hostile towards North Korea? North Korea are the ones who fired rockets over Japan as a "test" not that long ago, remember?

I know Japan actively works with the US for military intelligence against NK.
Australia…nope, nothing.

I presume that they chose Australia as a point to show the range of their ICBMs.
Probably because Australia also fought against them in the Korean war and holds an especially close relationship with the US.
Thankfully Donald Trump has shown willingness to hold dialogue with KJU one of the only good things of his presidency

[Kowani]

I know Japan actively works with the US for military intelligence against NK.
Australia…nope, nothing.

I presume that they chose Australia as a point to show the range of their ICBMs.
Probably because Australia also fought against them in the Korean war and holds an especially close relationship with the US.
Thankfully Donald Trump has shown willingness to hold dialogue with KJU one of the only good things of his presidency

No, NK sucks too. The dialogue isn’t a good thing-nothing came of it. In fact, Kim won-he got a free license to oppress his people.

[Washington Resistance Army]

We sanction the DPRK because western pig dog capitalists cannot accept the inherent superiority of juche and songun.

[Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba]

Why do we sanction North Korea when there are countries with arguably worse human rights conditions such as Saudi Arabia?

In North Korea women have the same rights as men.
In North Korea there are many different religious beliefs tolerated, while in Saudi Arabia only one is.
In North Korea there was never any laws against homosexuality meanwhile in Saudi Arabia gay people are killed by the state.


The US currently supports a Saudi led war in Yemen that has led to the deaths of over 230,000 people.

I propose we remove sanctions on the DPRK (North Korea).

lol, I'm a native Cuban, I used to work with 2 North Koreans, a Vietnamese Lady and a Nicaraguan Lady, on our hour long break we used to talk in English and share stories about our nations and we found out we had a lot in common. The Vietnamese Lady's favority saying is what I love most about America is the freedoms and that in America we are all Americans. The Nicaraguan Lady was a young university student in Nicaragua during the Sandinista Communist government, supported by the leftist Liberal Democrats in congress at the time, and Bernie Sanders, she was sent to Cuba by the Sandinista Communists to work on a Cuban government farm as so called voluntary labor, she had to sing and chant revolutionary songs and slogans like No Pasaran, they shall not Pass, she lost her 3 brothers fighting for the Contras in Nicaragua, lol.

[Arumdaum]

Why do we sanction North Korea when there are countries with arguably worse human rights conditions such as Saudi Arabia?

In North Korea women have the same rights as men.
In North Korea there are many different religious beliefs tolerated, while in Saudi Arabia only one is.
In North Korea there was never any laws against homosexuality meanwhile in Saudi Arabia gay people are killed by the state.


The US currently supports a Saudi led war in Yemen that has led to the deaths of over 230,000 people.

I propose we remove sanctions on the DPRK (North Korea).

lol, I'm a native Cuban, I used to work with 2 North Koreans, a Vietnamese Lady and a Nicaraguan Lady, on our hour long break we used to talk in English and share stories about our nations and we found out we had a lot in common. The Vietnamese Lady's favority saying is what I love most about America is the freedoms and that in America we are all Americans. The Nicaraguan Lady was a young university student in Nicaragua during the Sandinista Communist government, supported by the leftist Liberal Democrats in congress at the time, and Bernie Sanders, she was sent to Cuba by the Sandinista Communists to work on a Cuban government farm as so called voluntary labor, she had to sing and chant revolutionary songs and slogans like No Pasaran, they shall not Pass, she lost her 3 brothers fighting for the Contras in Nicaragua, lol.

What about the North Koreans?

[Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba]

lol, I'm a native Cuban, I used to work with 2 North Koreans, a Vietnamese Lady and a Nicaraguan Lady, on our hour long break we used to talk in English and share stories about our nations and we found out we had a lot in common. The Vietnamese Lady's favority saying is what I love most about America is the freedoms and that in America we are all Americans. The Nicaraguan Lady was a young university student in Nicaragua during the Sandinista Communist government, supported by the leftist Liberal Democrats in congress at the time, and Bernie Sanders, she was sent to Cuba by the Sandinista Communists to work on a Cuban government farm as so called voluntary labor, she had to sing and chant revolutionary songs and slogans like No Pasaran, they shall not Pass, she lost her 3 brothers fighting for the Contras in Nicaragua, lol.

What about the North Koreans?

As I said we all used to share stories about our nations and found out we had a lot in common, dictatorship, so called voluntary labor, no freedoms and so on.

[Purpelia]

Why do we sanction North Korea when there are countries with arguably worse human rights conditions such as Saudi Arabia?

Back 30 years ago there was this thing called the cold war. The world was divided into two sides each backed by a giant powerful country. And since those two countries hated one another they did everything they could to force the smaller countries of the world to pick sides and than punish those that picked "wrong". And in doing so neither side gave even a single f*** about right or wrong, human rights or anything else like that. They happily toppled democratic governments, provoked revolutions and bloody civil wars, appointed and helped maintain murderous and even genocidal dictators and other nice stuff like that as long as it meant they could get that particular country on their side.

So where is this heading? Why is the DPRK reviled as evil when other worse countries are not? Well it's simple. The DPRK happened to side with the country that lost whilst places like Saudi Arabia picked the one that won. That's all there is to it.
If Kim Il Sung had sided with america we would be talking about him as a great hero and liberator of a united Korea.

[-Ocelot-]

In North Korea women have the same rights as men.
In North Korea there are many different religious beliefs tolerated, while in Saudi Arabia only one is.
In North Korea there was never any laws against homosexuality meanwhile in Saudi Arabia gay people are killed by the state.

Wrong, wrong and wrong.

Citizens of NK have no rights whatsoever. They are slaves. In a sense, men and women are equal in their lack of rights.

The second point is a lie. NK has state Atheism and will execute you for following any religion.

Homosexuality is not illegal but heavily discouraged by its state and society. Being openly queer will get you executed there because they have strict dressing codes (no jeans allowed, for example).

Using Saudi Arabia to excuse dictatorial regimes is whataboutism at its worst.

[Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba]

In North Korea women have the same rights as men.
In North Korea there are many different religious beliefs tolerated, while in Saudi Arabia only one is.
In North Korea there was never any laws against homosexuality meanwhile in Saudi Arabia gay people are killed by the state.

Wrong, wrong and wrong.

Citizens of NK have no rights whatsoever. They are slaves. In a sense, men and women are equal in their lack of rights.

The second point is a lie. NK has state Atheism and will execute you for following any religion.

Homosexuality is not illegal but heavily discouraged by its state and society. Being openly queer will get you executed there because they have strict dressing codes (no jeans allowed, for example).

Using Saudi Arabia to excuse dictatorial regimes is whataboutism at its worst.

I second this Post. The 2 North Koreans, the Vietnamese Lady, the Nicaraguan Lady and I a native Cuban know what real dictatorship eternal communist socialist revolutions are like.

[GlobalControl]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-15/ ... us/9051156
"Self-defence"

unlike the United States, which has never told anyone that bad things could happen to them if they don’t listen to Washington. on a completely unrelated note, has anyone found Saddam’s WMDs yet?

Still looking. Don't worry, we'll find them.


Some day and eight wars later.

[Vivolkha]

Why do we sanction North Korea when there are countries with arguably worse human rights conditions such as Saudi Arabia?

In North Korea women have the same rights as men.

Formally, yes, but in practice no, they don't. Sexual abuse is rife in North Korea and it has been documented how it is common for women to be openly assaulted, beaten or raped in the street. The government does absolutely nothing about domestic violence either.

In North Korea there are many different religious beliefs tolerated, while in Saudi Arabia only one is.

Yeah, no, not at all. No religion is tolerated in the DPRK, period. And especially Christians are executed in large numbers or sent to concentration camps solely because of their beliefs.

In North Korea there was never any laws against homosexuality meanwhile in Saudi Arabia gay people are killed by the state.

Strictly speaking, true, but North Korea has repeatedly opposed LGBT rights at the UN.

The US currently supports a Saudi led war in Yemen that has led to the deaths of over 230,000 people.

Yeah because, give me that oil!

I propose we remove sanctions on the DPRK (North Korea).

How about no, and we sanction Saudi Arabia instead? They sure as hell deserve it but they are behind an oil shield protecting them.

[Purpelia]

That's all nice and well but you people are not answering the OP's question. He did not say that the DPRK was a good place to live. Just that on paper it seems no more shitty than many of the places the west gleefully calls their ally.

[Conifer Grove]

My great aunt used to live and work in The U.S.S.R so I've had a secondhand experience with this.
It still doesn't change my view though that sanctions on NK are hypocritical

[-Astoria]

The US is even worse on that front, they actually did nuke Japan and haven’t apologised for it and plenty of Americans like to make hilarious jokes about how “two nukes wasn’t enough” (next, of course, they’ll be telling Jews “six million wasn’t enough”)

Why should the US apologize for swiftly ending the most horrific war in human history?

At least they could have the decency not to kick someone when they're already down.

[Costa Hermosa]

The mods should add an option to block entire threads from showing up on 'Latest Forum Topics'

[Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba]

That's all nice and well but you people are not answering the OP's question. He did not say that the DPRK was a good place to live. Just that on paper it seems no more shitty than many of the places the west gleefully calls their ally.

"In North Korea women have the same rights as men.
In North Korea there are many different religious beliefs tolerated, while in Saudi Arabia only one is.
In North Korea there was never any laws against homosexuality meanwhile in Saudi Arabia gay people are killed by the state."

lol, I'm having a lol attack at the post not the poster, the 2 North Koreans I used to work with would disagree on paper and out of paper.

[Vivolkha]

That's all nice and well but you people are not answering the OP's question. He did not say that the DPRK was a good place to live. Just that on paper it seems no more shitty than many of the places the west gleefully calls their ally.

Yes, on paper. NK was a really bad example though, you could bring up sanctions against Russia which has a terrible human rights record but it is better than the one in Saudi Arabia.

And instead of lifting sanctions on NK, we should impose them on these questionable "allies" which, by the way, are not really allies at all (the US supports Saudi Arabia but aside from oil the opposite is not true).