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by Pacomia » Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:10 pm
by Federative Rhodesia » Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:11 pm
The Commoners Republic of America wrote:Federative Rhodesia wrote:True, but shouldn't the United States work to root out all foreign spies, regardless of which country they're from?
Yes, they should, but I doubt it will ever happen in our lifetime. (I wonder how the US got this info in the first place hmm?) I just find it funny when governments get caught doing espionage, people are treating it like the nation is the bane of true evil lol.
by Major-Tom » Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:13 pm
by Pacomia » Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:14 pm
by Pacomia » Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:14 pm
Major-Tom wrote:Pacomia wrote:false
I think to label our government as an "Israeli puppet" is far-fetched, and certainly misses the mark. Our government is beholden to a plethora of various lobbying groups, both domestic and foreign, a smorgasbord of special interest groups, etc etc. Pinning all the blame on Israel is, quite frankly, ridiculous.
And believe me, I have my qualms with the Israeli government as a whole.
by The Commoners Republic of America » Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:14 pm
Major-Tom wrote:Pacomia wrote:This is worrying.
But not surprising. The amount of assistance and unwavering support we give Israel versus the amount of support they give us is laughable, their loyalty to our alliance is negligible. It's a relationship of basic strategic importance, nothing more. If anything, I'd be willing to give Israel props for managing to influence our foreign affairs so much while only being a country of about 8.5 million. Now that's clout.
Commoners Republic - Wikipedia | Official FactBook WIPThe Commoners Republic of America (CRA), or commonly known as the Commoners Republic (tCR), is a Constitutional Federal Republic. The Nation is composed of 5 Provinces, 1 unincorporated-organized territory, and the Federal District of Neo-Libertalia. Located on the Delmarva Peninsula in North America, the Nation is completely bounded by the waters of the Atlantic Ocean, Chesapeake Bay, and the Chesapeake-Delaware Canal.
by Major-Tom » Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:17 pm
Pacomia wrote:Major-Tom wrote:
I think to label our government as an "Israeli puppet" is far-fetched, and certainly misses the mark. Our government is beholden to a plethora of various lobbying groups, both domestic and foreign, a smorgasbord of special interest groups, etc etc. Pinning all the blame on Israel is, quite frankly, ridiculous.
And believe me, I have my qualms with the Israeli government as a whole.
Yeah, true, but that doesn't make it an anti-semitic conspiracy theory.
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by The Commoners Republic of America » Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:20 pm
Commoners Republic - Wikipedia | Official FactBook WIPThe Commoners Republic of America (CRA), or commonly known as the Commoners Republic (tCR), is a Constitutional Federal Republic. The Nation is composed of 5 Provinces, 1 unincorporated-organized territory, and the Federal District of Neo-Libertalia. Located on the Delmarva Peninsula in North America, the Nation is completely bounded by the waters of the Atlantic Ocean, Chesapeake Bay, and the Chesapeake-Delaware Canal.
by Federative Rhodesia » Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:22 pm
The Commoners Republic of America wrote:Major-Tom wrote:
But not surprising. The amount of assistance and unwavering support we give Israel versus the amount of support they give us is laughable, their loyalty to our alliance is negligible. It's a relationship of basic strategic importance, nothing more. If anything, I'd be willing to give Israel props for managing to influence our foreign affairs so much while only being a country of about 8.5 million. Now that's clout.
Eh, I say the strategic location they have makes it up for all the military aid we give them. Without them, we'd be locked out from the entire middle east entirely, so to keep that doorway well-armed from enemies I'd say is a fine price as of now.
by LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:24 pm
by The Commoners Republic of America » Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:27 pm
Federative Rhodesia wrote:The Commoners Republic of America wrote:
Eh, I say the strategic location they have makes it up for all the military aid we give them. Without them, we'd be locked out from the entire middle east entirely, so to keep that doorway well-armed from enemies I'd say is a fine price as of now.
Consider this: Our alliance w/ Israel means working closely with any Arab state, minus Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states adjacent to it, is basically impossible. The Arab population of the world largely despises us, and that's directly because of our support to Israel.
Wouldn't it be better to have the support of the 1/6th of the world's population that speaks Arabic than the 8.5 million living in Israel?
Commoners Republic - Wikipedia | Official FactBook WIPThe Commoners Republic of America (CRA), or commonly known as the Commoners Republic (tCR), is a Constitutional Federal Republic. The Nation is composed of 5 Provinces, 1 unincorporated-organized territory, and the Federal District of Neo-Libertalia. Located on the Delmarva Peninsula in North America, the Nation is completely bounded by the waters of the Atlantic Ocean, Chesapeake Bay, and the Chesapeake-Delaware Canal.
by Major-Tom » Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:28 pm
The Commoners Republic of America wrote:Major-Tom wrote:
They're our best ally, Trudeau only did blackface to appease the average Republican politician back in '01.
That's a pretty dumb conclusion to make for Trudeau case lol. Maybe it's my sarcasm detector failing idk. Also, I can't think of anything that Canada does that Isreal doesn't do; at least in terms of helping the US. All that Canada does is piggyback off our military to fund their healthcare.
by Gormwood » Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:29 pm
The Commoners Republic of America wrote:Federative Rhodesia wrote:Consider this: Our alliance w/ Israel means working closely with any Arab state, minus Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states adjacent to it, is basically impossible. The Arab population of the world largely despises us, and that's directly because of our support to Israel.
Wouldn't it be better to have the support of the 1/6th of the world's population that speaks Arabic than the 8.5 million living in Israel?
Not if the 1/6th of the world's population is run by borderline dictatorships. Israel is the most European-style nation in the middle east, even with its faults, it's the go-to choice for a US ally.
by Federative Rhodesia » Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:29 pm
The Commoners Republic of America wrote:Federative Rhodesia wrote:Consider this: Our alliance w/ Israel means working closely with any Arab state, minus Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states adjacent to it, is basically impossible. The Arab population of the world largely despises us, and that's directly because of our support to Israel.
Wouldn't it be better to have the support of the 1/6th of the world's population that speaks Arabic than the 8.5 million living in Israel?
Not if the 1/6th of the world's population is run by borderline dictatorships. Israel is the most European-style nation in the middle east, even with its faults, it's the go-to choice for a US ally.
by Major-Tom » Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:31 pm
The Commoners Republic of America wrote:Federative Rhodesia wrote:Consider this: Our alliance w/ Israel means working closely with any Arab state, minus Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states adjacent to it, is basically impossible. The Arab population of the world largely despises us, and that's directly because of our support to Israel.
Wouldn't it be better to have the support of the 1/6th of the world's population that speaks Arabic than the 8.5 million living in Israel?
Not if the 1/6th of the world's population is run by borderline dictatorships. Israel is the most European-style nation in the middle east, even with its faults, it's the go-to choice for a US ally.
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by The Commoners Republic of America » Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:37 pm
Federative Rhodesia wrote:The Commoners Republic of America wrote:Not if the 1/6th of the world's population is run by borderline dictatorships. Israel is the most European-style nation in the middle east, even with its faults, it's the go-to choice for a US ally.
I don't think human rights=alliances. Take South Korea: a petty dictatorship right after the Korean War, but with U.S. guidance and influence gradually transformed into a democratic state.
If we had played the long game, there would've at least been the chance for more South Korea success stories in the Middle East.
Commoners Republic - Wikipedia | Official FactBook WIPThe Commoners Republic of America (CRA), or commonly known as the Commoners Republic (tCR), is a Constitutional Federal Republic. The Nation is composed of 5 Provinces, 1 unincorporated-organized territory, and the Federal District of Neo-Libertalia. Located on the Delmarva Peninsula in North America, the Nation is completely bounded by the waters of the Atlantic Ocean, Chesapeake Bay, and the Chesapeake-Delaware Canal.
by Verlzonia » Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:40 pm
by Federative Rhodesia » Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:40 pm
The Commoners Republic of America wrote:Federative Rhodesia wrote:I don't think human rights=alliances. Take South Korea: a petty dictatorship right after the Korean War, but with U.S. guidance and influence gradually transformed into a democratic state.
If we had played the long game, there would've at least been the chance for more South Korea success stories in the Middle East.
Yeah but you aren't accounting for the religions of western nations and the rest of the middle east. Judaism and Christianity have a lot of differences obviously, but are much more compatible then Islam in the middle east. I just don't think it would have the same success.
by Verlzonia » Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:45 pm
Federative Rhodesia wrote:The Commoners Republic of America wrote:
Eh, I say the strategic location they have makes it up for all the military aid we give them. Without them, we'd be locked out from the entire middle east entirely, so to keep that doorway well-armed from enemies I'd say is a fine price as of now.
by Verlzonia » Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:46 pm
The Commoners Republic of America wrote:Federative Rhodesia wrote:I don't think human rights=alliances. Take South Korea: a petty dictatorship right after the Korean War, but with U.S. guidance and influence gradually transformed into a democratic state.
If we had played the long game, there would've at least been the chance for more South Korea success stories in the Middle East.
Yeah but you aren't accounting for the religions of western nations and the rest of the middle east. Judaism and Christianity have a lot of differences obviously, but are much more compatible then Islam in the middle east. I just don't think it would have the same success.
by The Commoners Republic of America » Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:02 pm
Federative Rhodesia wrote:The Commoners Republic of America wrote:
Yeah but you aren't accounting for the religions of western nations and the rest of the middle east. Judaism and Christianity have a lot of differences obviously, but are much more compatible then Islam in the middle east. I just don't think it would have the same success.
Firstly note this: Human rights don't matter as much as you think they do. The appearance of them does, but the U.S. can and has often made alliances w/ petty dictators, or even installed them (Shah of Iran! Pinochet! South Korea!)
Secondly, you make the broad oversimplification that because religions are compatible, then nations are compatible. If that were true, then why aren't we allies with Russia? With South Africa? Religion does not equal alliance. I 100% guarantee you that any legitimate U.S. foreign policy creator would be willing to work with a different religious group if this benefits the security interest of the United States (Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain, Qatar all prove this can happen)
Commoners Republic - Wikipedia | Official FactBook WIPThe Commoners Republic of America (CRA), or commonly known as the Commoners Republic (tCR), is a Constitutional Federal Republic. The Nation is composed of 5 Provinces, 1 unincorporated-organized territory, and the Federal District of Neo-Libertalia. Located on the Delmarva Peninsula in North America, the Nation is completely bounded by the waters of the Atlantic Ocean, Chesapeake Bay, and the Chesapeake-Delaware Canal.
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