Attack on Saudi oil field; 5 mil. barrels per day lost

[Nova Cyberia]

Right, so the best solution is to let the Iran-backed rebels take over Yemen and establish an Iranian-backed Shia state right along the Saudi border.

That's totally not a recipe for disaster that won't lead to even worse bloodshed in the future.

The Houthis haven't established a Shia state in the areas they control and even the US has admitted that Iran has little influence over them.

They sure sound secular to me.

Houthi leader Abdel-Malek al-Houthi has targeted Bahais in public speeches, and accused the followers of Bahá'í Faith of being "satanic"[102] and agents for the western countries, citing a 2013 fatwa issued by Iran's supreme leader.[100]

[Novus America]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slogan_of ... i_movement

"God is the Greatest, Death to America, Death to Israel, Curse on the Jews, Victory to Islam". Man, that sounds like the slogan of a rebel group aiming to create a secular republic. I'm sure George Washington would have written a similar thing in his memoirs during the Revolutionary War.

It's rhetoric. Even the Houthis' leader has said that it's a metaphor and that he "doesn't wish death on anyone... it is only symbolic of our opposition to foreign interference in our government."

Why do you unquestioningly accept their propaganda claims at face value?

[United Muscovite Nations]

The Houthis have said explicitly that their goal is a secular republic and that the reason for their uprising was that Salafist influence was infiltrating the previous government. Moreover, they say that a theocratic government cannot possibly work in Yemen due to its religious diversity.

And do you actually believe them? Why?
Especially when the scream literally the same slogans as the government of Iran?

And no the reason for their “uprising” (attempted coup) is the are power hungry fanatics who could never win an election. They are not in the right here at all.

Because they've actually drafted a constitution to institute such a form of government and have said that they want international observers from the United States to monitor the establishment of the government.

[Novus America]

One poster a while back linked this article:

https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Drone ... nse-601654

How in the hell would Saudi air defense not be able to protect their most critical assets against a drone strike despite buying advanced weapons from the USA, especially with their past ability to protect against drone attacks? And how in the hell was the US not aware of this despite our huge military presence in the region? Something stinks here.

I assume the drones (if they were drones at all and not something else) were coming in at a very low altitude maybe even almost at sea level over the gulf or/and through a vector from which the detection by US radar is the least likelist. This would have been ofc been tested prior such an attack.

I also assume that saudi-air-defence is shit in general and that they may simply not have expected an attack there. Defense systems against drones aren't rocket science either.

They really need better EW systems. EW is drone kryptonite.

[United Muscovite Nations]

It's rhetoric. Even the Houthis' leader has said that it's a metaphor and that he "doesn't wish death on anyone... it is only symbolic of our opposition to foreign interference in our government."

Why do you unquestioningly accept their propaganda claims at face value?

I mean even the United States State Department has said that the Houthis limit Islamist influence in their territory and aren't under control of Iran.

[Nova Cyberia]

Why do you unquestioningly accept their propaganda claims at face value?

I mean even the United States State Department has said that the Houthis limit Islamist influence in their territory and aren't under control of Iran.

Is that why most Yemeni Jews don't support the Houthis and have accused them of beatings, torture, and harassment?

And the State Dept. has said that Iran supports the Houthis and supplies them, and the Houthi leader cites Iranian fatwas when condemning Baha'i people.

[Samudera Darussalam]

Why do you unquestioningly accept their propaganda claims at face value?

I mean even the United States State Department has said that the Houthis limit Islamist influence in their territory and aren't under control of Iran.

Would you mind giving a source then? Or it's already in that link that you've posted?

[Drongonia]

The Houthi rebels need to be destroyed immediately, scorched earth where they stand.

[Novus America]

And do you actually believe them? Why?
Especially when the scream literally the same slogans as the government of Iran?

And no the reason for their “uprising” (attempted coup) is the are power hungry fanatics who could never win an election. They are not in the right here at all.

Because they've actually drafted a constitution to institute such a form of government and have said that they want international observers from the United States to monitor the establishment of the government.

The clerics in Iran claimed to initially support such a government in Iran too. As soon as the took power they would rip it up. The have a long history of violence against political opposition.

And they started this war backed by Saleh, the former dictator! (They later murdered him, some real trustworthy types )

[Free Arabian Nation]

Good, fuck the those Wahhabi imperialist scum

[Samudera Darussalam]

The Houthi rebels need to be destroyed immediately, scorched earth where they stand.

If somebody want to do it, can't it be done without destroying whatever facilities or buildings on purpose with the scorched earth policy? The Yemeni refugees would need them once this war's over.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I mean even the United States State Department has said that the Houthis limit Islamist influence in their territory and aren't under control of Iran.

Is that why most Yemeni Jews don't support the Houthis and have accused them of beatings, torture, and harassment?

And the State Dept. has said that Iran supports the Houthis and supplies them, and the Houthi leader cites Iranian fatwas when condemning Baha'i people.

In April 2015, the United States National Security Council spokesperson Bernadette Meehan remarked that "It remains our assessment that Iran does not exert command and control over the Houthis in Yemen".[132] Joost Hiltermann wrote that Iran does not control the Houthis' decision-making as evidenced by Houthis' flat rejection of Iran's demand not to take over Sanaa in 2015.[131] Thomas Juneau, writing in the journal, International Affairs, states that even though Iran's support for Houthis has increased since 2014, it remains far too limited to have a significant impact in the balance of power in Yemen.[124]

[Vetalia]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slogan_of ... i_movement

"God is the Greatest, Death to America, Death to Israel, Curse on the Jews, Victory to Islam". Man, that sounds like the slogan of a rebel group aiming to create a secular republic. I'm sure George Washington would have written a similar thing in his memoirs during the Revolutionary War.

It's rhetoric. Even the Houthis' leader has said that it's a metaphor and that he "doesn't wish death on anyone... it is only symbolic of our opposition to foreign interference in our government."

Sure it is...are you seriously that naive? What the hell do you think will happen when a group whose slogan is "God is the Greatest, Death to America, Death to Israel, Curse on the Jews, Victory to Islam" comes to power? I'm sure they'll back off and create a democratic, secular republic if they win.

And for that matter, why do they even have a slogan like that if it's just a "metaphor"? I don't recall George Washington ordering "God is the Greatest, Death to Britain, Death to Hesse, Curse on the Jews, Victory to Christianity" as a "metaphor" to help his forces win the war to establish a secular republic in the USA.

[Nakena]

I assume the drones (if they were drones at all and not something else) were coming in at a very low altitude maybe even almost at sea level over the gulf or/and through a vector from which the detection by US radar is the least likelist. This would have been ofc been tested prior such an attack.

I also assume that saudi-air-defence is shit in general and that they may simply not have expected an attack there. Defense systems against drones aren't rocket science either.

They really need better EW systems. EW is drone kryptonite.

It has been tested recently by the US Navy against iranian drone attackers

[Novus America]

Why do you unquestioningly accept their propaganda claims at face value?

I mean even the United States State Department has said that the Houthis limit Islamist influence in their territory and aren't under control of Iran.

Source? And they are terrorizing Baha’is and Jews.
Sure they oppose Wahhabis types, but are not supporters of secular democracy. They are violent putschists.

[Drongonia]

The Houthi rebels need to be destroyed immediately, scorched earth where they stand.

If somebody want to do it, can't it be done without destroying whatever facilities or buildings on purpose with the scorched earth policy? The Yemeni refugees would need them once this war's over.

Maybe scorched earth was a bit of an overstatement, but they need to be wiped out.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Because they've actually drafted a constitution to institute such a form of government and have said that they want international observers from the United States to monitor the establishment of the government.

The clerics in Iran claimed to initially support such a government in Iran too. As soon as the took power they would rip it up. The have a long history of violence against political opposition.

And they started this war backed by Saleh, the former dictator! (They later murdered him, some real trustworthy types )

There was always tension with Saleh due to Saleh's close ties to Al Qaeda and Saudi Arabia before the revolution. Moreover, the Houthis continue to have contacts with Western governments such as the United States and continue to allow secular officials to continue to work. As the State Department has said, the Houthis' goals aren't uniform because they are a big-tent movement.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I mean even the United States State Department has said that the Houthis limit Islamist influence in their territory and aren't under control of Iran.

Source? And they are terrorizing Baha’is and Jews.
Sure they oppose Wahhabis types, but are not supporters of secular democracy. They are violent putschists.

According to the 2009 US Embassy cable leaked by WikiLeaks, Houthis have reportedly established courts and prisons in areas they control. They impose their own laws on local residents, demand protection money, and dispense rough justice by ordering executions. AP's reporter, Ahmad al-Haj argued that the Houthis were winning hearts and minds by providing security in areas long neglected by the Yemeni government while limiting the arbitrary and abusive power of influential sheikhs. According to the Civic Democratic Foundation, Houthis help resolve conflicts between tribes and reduce the number of revenge killings in areas they control. The US ambassador believed that the reports that explain Houthi role as arbitrating local disputes were likely.[118][119]

The Houthis aren't an ideological movement, they're a big-tent populist movement.

[Nova Cyberia]

Is that why most Yemeni Jews don't support the Houthis and have accused them of beatings, torture, and harassment?

And the State Dept. has said that Iran supports the Houthis and supplies them, and the Houthi leader cites Iranian fatwas when condemning Baha'i people.

In April 2015, the United States National Security Council spokesperson Bernadette Meehan remarked that "It remains our assessment that Iran does not exert command and control over the Houthis in Yemen".[132] Joost Hiltermann wrote that Iran does not control the Houthis' decision-making as evidenced by Houthis' flat rejection of Iran's demand not to take over Sanaa in 2015.[131] Thomas Juneau, writing in the journal, International Affairs, states that even though Iran's support for Houthis has increased since 2014, it remains far too limited to have a significant impact in the balance of power in Yemen.[124]

Okay, that doesn't mean they aren't still backed by Iran and influenced heavily by Iran. If the Houthis took over Yemen it would be within the Iranian sphere of influence which, given Yemen's placement right along the Saudi border, it is still a recipe for disaster.

[United Muscovite Nations]

In April 2015, the United States National Security Council spokesperson Bernadette Meehan remarked that "It remains our assessment that Iran does not exert command and control over the Houthis in Yemen".[132] Joost Hiltermann wrote that Iran does not control the Houthis' decision-making as evidenced by Houthis' flat rejection of Iran's demand not to take over Sanaa in 2015.[131] Thomas Juneau, writing in the journal, International Affairs, states that even though Iran's support for Houthis has increased since 2014, it remains far too limited to have a significant impact in the balance of power in Yemen.[124]

Okay, that doesn't mean they aren't still backed by Iran and influenced heavily by Iran. If the Houthis took over Yemen it would be within the Iranian sphere of influence which, given Yemen's placement right along the Saudi border, it is still a recipe for disaster.

It means that the Houthis are independent actors.

[Novus America]

The clerics in Iran claimed to initially support such a government in Iran too. As soon as the took power they would rip it up. The have a long history of violence against political opposition.

And they started this war backed by Saleh, the former dictator! (They later murdered him, some real trustworthy types )

There was always tension with Saleh due to Saleh's close ties to Al Qaeda and Saudi Arabia before the revolution. Moreover, the Houthis continue to have contacts with Western governments such as the United States and continue to allow secular officials to continue to work. As the State Department has said, the Houthis' goals aren't uniform because they are a big-tent movement.

Your source did not state that. Just that they are kit directly controlled by Iran.

Yes there were always tensions, but that happens when power hungry violent scumbags ally with other violent power hungry scumbags.
They fact they allied with Saleh and then later murder him shows the type of scum they are.
And they might have some supporters that believe in such things but their leaders do not. The Houthis are not a democratic movement.

They are violent putschists, who ally with dictators and murder their allies. Why would anyone trust them.

[Bloodshade]

Just shows how incompetent the Saudi regime truly is. Those oil barons don't even know what they're doing anymore. Imagine spending around 8% of your GDP and not being able to defend your nation's most important (and only) resource from a bunch of rebels.

While I'm distrustful of the Houthi movement, any action that undermines the Saudi regime is a good one and I just hope they finally pull out of Yemen and mind their own business.

[Novus America]

Source? And they are terrorizing Baha’is and Jews.
Sure they oppose Wahhabis types, but are not supporters of secular democracy. They are violent putschists.

According to the 2009 US Embassy cable leaked by WikiLeaks, Houthis have reportedly established courts and prisons in areas they control. They impose their own laws on local residents, demand protection money, and dispense rough justice by ordering executions. AP's reporter, Ahmad al-Haj argued that the Houthis were winning hearts and minds by providing security in areas long neglected by the Yemeni government while limiting the arbitrary and abusive power of influential sheikhs. According to the Civic Democratic Foundation, Houthis help resolve conflicts between tribes and reduce the number of revenge killings in areas they control. The US ambassador believed that the reports that explain Houthi role as arbitrating local disputes were likely.[118][119]

The Houthis aren't an ideological movement, they're a big-tent populist movement.

“They impose their own laws on local residents, demand protection money, and dispense rough justice by ordering executions.”
You own source says the are violent gangsters.
They are basically a mafia.

[Neanderthaland]

In April 2015, the United States National Security Council spokesperson Bernadette Meehan remarked that "It remains our assessment that Iran does not exert command and control over the Houthis in Yemen".[132] Joost Hiltermann wrote that Iran does not control the Houthis' decision-making as evidenced by Houthis' flat rejection of Iran's demand not to take over Sanaa in 2015.[131] Thomas Juneau, writing in the journal, International Affairs, states that even though Iran's support for Houthis has increased since 2014, it remains far too limited to have a significant impact in the balance of power in Yemen.[124]

Okay, that doesn't mean they aren't still backed by Iran and influenced heavily by Iran. If the Houthis took over Yemen it would be within the Iranian sphere of influence which, given Yemen's placement right along the Saudi border, it is still a recipe for disaster.

What is the outcome you've advocating for that isn't a recipe for disaster? Out of curiosity.

[United Muscovite Nations]

There was always tension with Saleh due to Saleh's close ties to Al Qaeda and Saudi Arabia before the revolution. Moreover, the Houthis continue to have contacts with Western governments such as the United States and continue to allow secular officials to continue to work. As the State Department has said, the Houthis' goals aren't uniform because they are a big-tent movement.

Your source did not state that. Just that they are kit directly controlled by Iran.

Yes there were always tensions, but that happens when power hungry violent scumbags ally with other violent power hungry scumbags.
They fact they allied with Saleh and then later murder him shows the type of scum they are.
And they might have some supporters that believe in such things but their leaders do not. The Houthis are not a democratic movement.

They are violent putschists, who ally with dictators and murder their allies. Why would anyone trust them.

Their leaders have explicitly said they do not want to control the government and want to simply facilitate the establishment of a new, civil government. The evidence for this is that they have already created an independent legislature and independent local governments in their territory.