What should we do?

[Nakena]

The average poor person in America is far better off than the average person in a developing country. To be poor in the United States is to have freedom to work two or three jobs, improve one's life, and cease to be poor. To be average in a developing country is to have to live in a society in which a bureaucratic class ignores property rights, thus stagnating growth, for personal gain. I'd far rather be penniless and on the streets as a US citizen in the US than be even upper middle class in most other nations.

Aww, I haven't seen an American Dream idealist in a while. How cute.

In a nutshell

There are colors on the street, red, white and blue
People shufflin' their feet, people sleepin' in their shoes
But there's a warnin' sign on the road ahead
There's a lot of people sayin' we'd be better off dead
Don't feel like Satan but I'm to them
So I try to forget it anyway I can

Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world


I see a woman in the night with a baby in her hand
Under an old street light near a garbage can
Now, she's put the kid away and she's gone to get a hit
She hates her life and what she's done to it
That's one more kid that'll never go to school
Never get to fall in love, never get to be cool

Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world

We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man
We got a kindler, gentler, machine gun hand
We've got department stores and toilet paper
Got styrofoam garbage for the ozone layer
Got a man of the people says keep hope alive
Got fuel to burn, got roads to drive

Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world

[Antityranicals]

Aww, I haven't seen an American Dream idealist in a while. How cute.

In a nutshell

There are colors on the street, red, white and blue
People shufflin' their feet, people sleepin' in their shoes
But there's a warnin' sign on the road ahead
There's a lot of people sayin' we'd be better off dead
Don't feel like Satan but I'm to them
So I try to forget it anyway I can

Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world


I see a woman in the night with a baby in her hand
Under an old street light near a garbage can
Now, she's put the kid away and she's gone to get a hit
She hates her life and what she's done to it
That's one more kid that'll never go to school
Never get to fall in love, never get to be cool

Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world

We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man
We got a kindler, gentler, machine gun hand
We've got department stores and toilet paper
Got styrofoam garbage for the ozone layer
Got a man of the people says keep hope alive
Got fuel to burn, got roads to drive

Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world

Any problems in the United States are due to a lack of freedom, and a corruption of what our nation was meant to be. Sadly, socialists are quite effective at infiltrating society, and bringing misery through business regulation, and poverty through taxation.

[Nakena]

Any problems in the United States are due to a lack of freedom, and a corruption of what our nation was meant to be. Sadly, socialists are quite effective at infiltrating society, and bringing misery through business regulation, and poverty through taxation.

I am still awaiting your reply to my post from earlier.

Less absurd, but still flawed. How does worshiping Satan help anything, if God is still greater than Satan, as he must be. Otherwise, God could not have created Satan.

Because, metaphorically speaking, Satanism is an expression of our promethean and evolutionary drive and urge within us, to awaken and realize our potential to the fullest.

Which is really all we can do, or die trying, and hence the reason why we should not give up as a species.

[Kowani]

Any problems in the United States are due to a lack of freedom, and a corruption of what our nation was meant to be. Sadly, socialists are quite effective at infiltrating society, and bringing misery through business regulation, and poverty through taxation.

…No, not at all. Like, at all.

[Antityranicals]

Any problems in the United States are due to a lack of freedom, and a corruption of what our nation was meant to be. Sadly, socialists are quite effective at infiltrating society, and bringing misery through business regulation, and poverty through taxation.

I am still awaiting your reply to my post from earlier.

Because, metaphorically speaking, Satanism is an expression of our promethean and evolutionary drive and urge within us, to awaken and realize our potential to the fullest.

Which is really all we can do, or die trying, and hence the reason why we should not give up as a species.

Sure, I'll respond to that, sorry I missed it earlier. Under the Catholic ethos, the ultimate purpose of life is deification. God is love, and Satan, being in opposition to God, is entirely against this. God wants what is best for humanity; Satan wants the exact opposite. God gave us free will so that we may truly "be like him," should we choose to, but this means we still have the option of choosing otherwise. This is the central reason why I am a Libertarian, because if God gives people free will, who am I, or what is the government, to restrict it? The point is, if we choose to be like God, we shall become like God. This is our ultimate potential, this is why we were made, and this is the exact opposite of what Satan wants.

[Luminesa]

That's the problem; I'm struggling to still carry on as it were.

Perhaps you should talk to a counselor, or someone you love and trust. I don't think asking for everyone to give-up on themselves as a species will make our situation better. But if you need to talk to someone, please do! You'll feel a little better for it.

[Rojava Free State]

The average poor person in America is far better off than the average poor person in a developing country.

The average poor person in America is far better off than the average person in a developing country. To be poor in the United States is to have freedom to work two or three jobs, improve one's life, and cease to be poor. To be average in a developing country is to have to live in a society in which a bureaucratic class ignores property rights, thus stagnating growth, for personal gain. I'd far rather be penniless and on the streets as a US citizen in the US than be even upper middle class in most other nations.

Poor person here. You're wrong, poor people struggle every day in america and many of our communities are worse than many developing nations

Detroit still exists

[Rojava Free State]

What if you
Wanted to go to heaven
But god said
should we just give up?

[Antityranicals]

The average poor person in America is far better off than the average person in a developing country. To be poor in the United States is to have freedom to work two or three jobs, improve one's life, and cease to be poor. To be average in a developing country is to have to live in a society in which a bureaucratic class ignores property rights, thus stagnating growth, for personal gain. I'd far rather be penniless and on the streets as a US citizen in the US than be even upper middle class in most other nations.

Poor person here. You're wrong, poor people struggle every day in america and many of our communities are worse than many developing nations

Detroit still exists

You can leave Detroit. I never said the American Dream is easy. It would be easier without crippling regulations, sky-high taxes, and interventionist monetary policy, but it's still possible for every American.

[Neanderthaland]

What if you
Wanted to go to heaven
But god said
should we just give up?

Throw one final party, and completely trash the place?

[The Grand Duchy Of Nova Capile]

Go ahead, it'll only scrub the gene pool of defeatists.

This mindset is just fundamentally wrong. I'll wager that you don't have a confirmed, ideological belief that humanity is evil and pointless, but rather are suffering from depression or some other issue that has caused you to view all things in life negatively. In which case I would advise you to find something that makes you happy, friends or a hobby or whatever, and to get help from professionals and the boundless resources that are out there, if you need it, rather than to continue ruminating on nebulous questions such as these.

[Cekoviu]

Poor person here. You're wrong, poor people struggle every day in america and many of our communities are worse than many developing nations

Detroit still exists

You can leave Detroit. I never said the American Dream is easy. It would be easier without crippling regulations, sky-high taxes, and interventionist monetary policy, but it's still possible for every American.

I'll be sure to let my dead grandma know that she can still attain the American Dream next time I speak to her.

[Kowani]

Poor person here. You're wrong, poor people struggle every day in america and many of our communities are worse than many developing nations

Detroit still exists

You can leave Detroit. I never said the American Dream is easy. It would be easier without crippling regulations, sky-high taxes, and interventionist monetary policy, but it's still possible for every American.

Sky high taxes? Where?

[US-SSR]

Interesting topic, if unoriginal.

I had an auxiliary interest which had never paled yet, never lost its novelty for me since I had been in Arthur’s kingdom: the behavior—born of nice and exact subdivisions of caste—of chance passers-by toward each other. Toward the shaven monk who trudged along with his cowl tilted back and the sweat washing down his fat jowls, the coal-burner was deeply reverent; to the gentleman he was abject; with the small farmer and the free mechanic he was cordial and gossipy; and when a slave passed by with a countenance respectfully lowered, this chap’s nose was in the air—he couldn’t even see him. Well, there are times when one would like to hang the whole human race and finish the farce.

-- Mark Twain, A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court

[The Strangers Club]

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Blue pill please.

[Kowani]

As a former journeyman electrician, electrical work is also back breaking. The thing is, back breaking work has to be done by someone and must be done by someone.

It also generally pays really well. If you want to earn a solid paycheck, stop being lazy and put the time and effort into it.

Welders, Heavy Equipment Operators, Pavers, Truckers, ect ect all make good money and don't require a college degree to get in. You just have to be willing to put in the personal effort.

Automation is about to make a lot of those jobs untenable.

[Nakena]

I am still awaiting your reply to my post from earlier.

Sure, I'll respond to that, sorry I missed it earlier. Under the Catholic ethos, the ultimate purpose of life is deification. God is love, and Satan, being in opposition to God, is entirely against this. God wants what is best for humanity; Satan wants the exact opposite. God gave us free will so that we may truly "be like him," should we choose to, but this means we still have the option of choosing otherwise. This is the central reason why I am a Libertarian, because if God gives people free will, who am I, or what is the government, to restrict it? The point is, if we choose to be like God, we shall become like God. This is our ultimate potential, this is why we were made, and this is the exact opposite of what Satan wants.

Ah yes that does makes sense. But would you say that your interpretation of catholic ethos is an rather unusual one? Because the way you describe it, that we humans can become like gods, is very different from most other interpretations I came across. It is in fact very close however to the form of Satanism I am influenced by.

[Drongonia]

To me it seems like you're taking the actions of a few (murder, rape etc) and projecting them onto every human to exist.

So to answer your question, no we shouldn't "give up". We should do our best using our governments/organisations/own efforts to try and reduce the harm done to the earth and each other.

[Herador]

Isn't it about time we just said, "screw it", and cease to exist?

Don't care about the rest of the OP, but this is interesting. Do you just expect the whole of humanity to go "eh" and overdose and laughing gas? Do we all walk into the sea? Do we industrialize the slaughter? If we do industrialize, do the people who ran the slaughter get to live, or do we just expect them to say "Nah, we'll do it too once you all are done LARP'ing Jonestown, Scouts Honor."

I have more questions, and all of them revolve around how dumb this line of text is.

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

Isn't it about time we just said, "screw it", and cease to exist?

Don't care about the rest of the OP, but this is interesting. Do you just expect the whole of humanity to go "eh" and overdose and laughing gas? Do we all walk into the sea? Do we industrialize the slaughter? If we do industrialize, do the people who ran the slaughter get to live, or do we just expect them to say "Nah, we'll do it too once you all are done LARP'ing Jonestown, Scouts Honor."

I have more questions, and all of them revolve around how dumb this line of text is.

Forgive the polemic tone. It was mostly out of jest and frustration. I suppose what I mean is that, if there is an apocalyptic event on the horizon, shall we try and fight it with futile hope or just let the walls close in? What would be kinder/best for us?

[Herador]

Don't care about the rest of the OP, but this is interesting. Do you just expect the whole of humanity to go "eh" and overdose and laughing gas? Do we all walk into the sea? Do we industrialize the slaughter? If we do industrialize, do the people who ran the slaughter get to live, or do we just expect them to say "Nah, we'll do it too once you all are done LARP'ing Jonestown, Scouts Honor."

I have more questions, and all of them revolve around how dumb this line of text is.

Forgive the polemic tone. It was mostly out of jest and frustration. I suppose what I mean is that, if there is an apocalyptic event on the horizon, shall we try and fight it with futile hope or just let the walls close in? What would be kinder/best for us?

Question doesn't work from the start. "we" don't exist in the way you're framing it, "we" can't decide anything because the individuals are all going to decide what to do on their own and whatever consensus is reached will be coincidental.

This is ignoring that humanity seems to be taking option C: Pretend it isn't happening and carry on. We'll see how that develops, but considering that not dying is a pretty strong instinct in things that made it long enough to be deemed alive I think we can guess what option will be taken when "it's fiiiiiiiine" isn't something that can work anymore. Make your personal decision, do something or don't, and that's the most that can really be said on it because saying 7.7 billion things that all have their own complex decision-making process should all do Thing A or Thing B is silly.

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

Whatever.

[Herador]

Whatever.

Taking option C I see, atta boy.

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

Any problems in the United States are due to a lack of freedom, and a corruption of what our nation was meant to be. Sadly, socialists are quite effective at infiltrating society, and bringing misery through business regulation, and poverty through taxation.

This has nothing to do with socialism or even your precious corporatists. At the end of the day, left or right doesn't matter. Your country is in a shambles and it has been for some time now, regardless of who it was that destroyed it.

[Madonna Queendom]

I find the notion silly.

You can't just expect us all as a species to "partake of a questionable beverage" and cease to exist. It sorta feels unnatural and forced!