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Why atheists must believe in God

Postby Phoenixfox » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:27 pm

If you ask an atheist why they disavow belief in God, they will undoubtably cite either their reason or science. Here are some thing that need to be around in order for science to make sense. Possibly the most basic of these Absolute truth (Truth being that which conforms to reality)

Science can tell us almost any trait we want to know about anything, it can tell us the size, shape, weight, color, temperature, density and even the molecular structure of an object, but none of these things even matter if we can not be sure that the object even exists. Science is irrelevant if absolute truth does not exist.

The entire study of any science depends on truth being absolute, but their is no atheistic justification for believing in it. It is ironic that those who say their alleged disbelief in God is based on reason have absolutely no reason to believe in the very things on which they base their reason!

What do you think about this line of reasoning? I think it makes a lot of sense.
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Postby Divair » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:28 pm

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What we've learned here is that you can craft an argument that you can refute. I believe there's a word for that...
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Postby Dyakovo » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:29 pm

Phoenixfox wrote:If you ask an atheist why they disavow belief in God, they will undoubtably cite either their reason or science. Here are some thing that need to be around in order for science to make sense. Possibly the most basic of these Absolute truth (Truth being that which conforms to reality)

Science can tell us almost any trait we want to know about anything, it can tell us the size, shape, weight, color, temperature, density and even the molecular structure of an object, but none of these things even matter if we can not be sure that the object even exists. Science is irrelevant if absolute truth does not exist.

The entire study of any science depends on truth being absolute, but their is no atheistic justification for believing in it. It is ironic that those who say their alleged disbelief in God is based on reason have absolutely no reason to believe in the very things on which they base their reason!

What do you think about this line of reasoning? I think it makes a lot of sense.

Your "reasoning" is quite lacking in, well, reasoning. Lacking faith in a deity or deities in no way requires a belief in a deity.
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Postby Wytenigistan » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:29 pm

Enough of these threads.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:29 pm

Your logic for why absolute truth must exist is faulty, as is your assumption that a god is necessary for absolute truth to exist.

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Wytenigistan wrote:Enough of these threads.

I concur! It's making me lose my sanity.
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Postby Pyke and the Iron Isles » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:30 pm

By the Old Gods and the New... :palm:
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Postby Hakio » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:30 pm

That's called the roadrunner tactic.
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Postby The 93rd Coalition » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:30 pm

An...odd way of looking at things, and for sure it has some merit. But they don't have to. Everyone believes what they want.
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Postby Chalybs (Ancient) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:30 pm

Someone pass the the popcorn and get some deck chairs.

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Postby The Sotoan Union » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:31 pm

I don't believe in god. You can't say that I do simply because of your faulty logic. If I call myself an atheist them I'm an atheist. If I call myself a theist then I'm a theist. It's what you identify with that defines you, not what other people think you identify with.

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:31 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:Your logic for why absolute truth must exist is faulty, as is your assumption that a god is necessary for absolute truth to exist.

I am willing to claim there is no absolute truth.
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Postby Shaggai » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:31 pm

...what? Are you saying "Absolute truth doesn't exist, therefore God?" In what situation is there not an absolute truth?

Disregarding politics, of course, but if politics proves the existence of God then what sort of God is this?
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Postby Vistulange » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:31 pm

That argument...never mind.

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Postby Isles of the United Armed Forces » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:31 pm

Uhhh what? Could you find an article or someting as refrence because this makes hardly any sense at all.
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Postby Phoenixfox » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:31 pm

Chalybs wrote:Someone pass the the popcorn and get some deck chairs.

Why bother responding if you are not going to contribute to meaningful discussion on this matter
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Say what? Your wording isn't very clear...

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Postby Sun Wukong » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:33 pm

Phoenixfox wrote:
Chalybs wrote:Someone pass the the popcorn and get some deck chairs.

Why bother responding if you are not going to contribute to meaningful discussion on this matter

Because it would actually take about 20x longer to explain everything that is wrong with the OP then it did to write it.
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Postby Ikania » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:33 pm

I think absolute truth exists. God is real, or is he? He created us, or did He? There is an answer, but we'll never solve it. I stick to agnostic atheism, because I don't think it's very likely God exists. But if he does, I have no qualms with that. He just needs to tell all those fundies to shut up and stop making the world look bad.
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Postby Roski » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:33 pm

Phoenixfox wrote:If you ask an atheist why they disavow belief in God, they will undoubtably cite either their reason or science. Here are some thing that need to be around in order for science to make sense. Possibly the most basic of these Absolute truth (Truth being that which conforms to reality)

Science can tell us almost any trait we want to know about anything, it can tell us the size, shape, weight, color, temperature, density and even the molecular structure of an object, but none of these things even matter if we can not be sure that the object even exists. Science is irrelevant if absolute truth does not exist.

The entire study of any science depends on truth being absolute, but their is no atheistic justification for believing in it. It is ironic that those who say their alleged disbelief in God is based on reason have absolutely no reason to believe in the very things on which they base their reason!

What do you think about this line of reasoning? I think it makes a lot of sense.


And I must believe in god because your scientific theory is that science cannot exist because there is no absolute truth.

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Postby Ceannairceach » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:33 pm

Phoenixfox wrote:
Chalybs wrote:Someone pass the the popcorn and get some deck chairs.

Why bother responding if you are not going to contribute to meaningful discussion on this matter

Why bother posting if you aren't going to post something worth contributing to?

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Postby Garwall » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:33 pm

The only justification I need is that whatever I am describing scientifically, I can observe it. If I predict a chemical reaction will occur by combining two substances, and said reaction does occur, that means it exists because I observed it occurring.
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