Should this Federal shutdown be made permanent?

[Calixs]

So that Texans can finally abolish science and begin learning about good ol' Christian education like creationism.

You think it's a joke until you realize OP has argued that teaching evolution goes against religious people's rights in the past.

Really?

[United Dependencies]

america is going to hit the default button, making it an hell hole, then become an bureaucracy. sucks to be you guys.

Yeah, and then we're going to bring down the global economy with us.

Sucks to be you guys.

[Hopeless]

What makes you think the the new nation formed from the catastrophic dissolution of the US would be a member of NATO?

Hell NATO likely wouldn't exist with it's largest backer dissolved.
The EU would likely find itself with great incentive to integrate quickly and form their own standing army before the Russians get any ideas.

NATO is a lot like the UN in that it is a loose and weak confederation like entity, unanimous decisions have almost never happened, current two party politics have shown that lol. Maybe a federal Atlantic Union would be a better solution.

[Benuty]

You think it's a joke until you realize OP has argued that teaching evolution goes against religious people's rights in the past.

Oh don't worry, all the liberals will move to California where we will start our reunification of the US.
Without the creationist influence of course.

Too bad everything from California to Texas will be knee deep in red zone Tiberium infestations.

[Avenio]

Its only 20 percent of the federal labor force. I think this shutdown was tailored to be as much of a pain as possible. Why divert park workers to man barricades at open air monuments?

... Because if anything was done to damage said monuments, they can't be repaired until the shutdown is over, when repair crews are allowed back to work?

Why kick people who lease federal land off of that land?

Same reason, probably.

[Strana Mechty]

Hell NATO likely wouldn't exist with it's largest backer dissolved.
The EU would likely find itself with great incentive to integrate quickly and form their own standing army before the Russians get any ideas.

Not really necessary. The Big Four of Europe combined have (roughly) twice the military budget of Russia. And that's if the Russians are even willing to invade an EU country.

The EU would need to get rid of the money pit I mean Greece first.

[Genivaria]

I'm starting to doubt you have any fucking clue what I'm talking about.
Texas. Does. Not. Have. The. Launch. Codes.
Do. You. Comprehend?

The Officers of the federal army, stationed in texas, have them. If the federal government can't collect taxes anymore, and not pay them, they would have a reason to defect, apart from pure state patrioism.

Please stop making shit up when you clearly haven't a fucking clue what you're talking about.
Only the President of the US has the codes and they must be confirmed by the Secretary of Defense.
Please fucking educate yourself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_football

[Genivaria]

Oh don't worry, all the liberals will move to California where we will start our reunification of the US.
Without the creationist influence of course.

You mean the glorious state of Washington.

The Democratic Alliance to Restore America?

[Priory Academy USSR]

Not really necessary. The Big Four of Europe combined have (roughly) twice the military budget of Russia. And that's if the Russians are even willing to invade an EU country.

The EU would need to get rid of the money pit I mean Greece first.

I doubt Greece would cause European nations' military to weaken.

Anyway, we're starting to derail the thread here.

[Vault 1]

You think it's a joke until you realize OP has argued that teaching evolution goes against religious people's rights in the past.

If I remember correctly, I argued for "creation science" against "evolutionism" and did it solely as a debating exercise, hinting plenty of times and openly saying at least once that I parodied the creationists, not supported them.

NATO is a lot like the UN in that it is a loose and weak confederation like entity, unanimous decisions have almost never happened, current two party politics have shown that lol. Maybe a federal Atlantic Union would be a better solution.

NATO exists for the purposes of mutual defense, not as a whip for US to swing around. At least not in concept. So why should there be unanimous decisions to attack yet more foreign nations?
An agreement like NATO is sufficient to repel any degree of aggression; and that's all it needs to do.

[Arglorand]

Oh don't worry, all the liberals will move to California where we will start our reunification of the US.
Without the creationist influence of course.

You mean the glorious state of Washington.

You mean Cascadia.

[Genivaria]

You mean the glorious state of Washington.

You mean Cascadia.

The Neo-Iriquous Confederacy. *nods*

[Divair]

You mean the glorious state of Washington.

You mean Cascadia.

That's where I was heading with this idea.

[Strana Mechty]

You think it's a joke until you realize OP has argued that teaching evolution goes against religious people's rights in the past.

If I remember correctly, I argued for "creation science" against "evolutionism" and did it solely as a debating exercise, hinting plenty of times and openly saying at least once that I parodied the creationists, not supported them.

NATO is a lot like the UN in that it is a loose and weak confederation like entity, unanimous decisions have almost never happened, current two party politics have shown that lol. Maybe a federal Atlantic Union would be a better solution.

NATO exists for the purposes of mutual defense, not as a whip for US to swing around. At least not in concept. So why should there be unanimous decisions to attack yet more foreign nations?
An agreement like NATO is sufficient to repel any degree of aggression; and that's all it needs to do.

Creation science? Please state what that is, I've never heard of it.

[Hopeless]

You think it's a joke until you realize OP has argued that teaching evolution goes against religious people's rights in the past.

If I remember correctly, I argued for "creation science" against "evolutionism" and did it solely as a debating exercise, hinting plenty of times and openly saying at least once that I parodied the creationists, not supported them.

NATO is a lot like the UN in that it is a loose and weak confederation like entity, unanimous decisions have almost never happened, current two party politics have shown that lol. Maybe a federal Atlantic Union would be a better solution.

NATO exists for the purposes of mutual defense, not as a whip for US to swing around. At least not in concept. So why should there be unanimous decisions to attack yet more foreign nations?
An agreement like NATO is sufficient to repel any degree of aggression; and that's all it needs to do.

For one i do not see Libya was an act of mutual defense, that was an aggressive act to aid people, combining economic, scientific and demographic strengths as a Federation is a vast improvement over a Confederation, as countries in Confederations are at odds with one another, history of NATO countries are not rosy, and though history does not repeat itself, it does Rhyme. The other point to note it makes it a lot easier to coordinate, as you may recall 13 armies in the original 13 colonies that were in the original confederation was united into one force under the federal government by the constitution.

[Graknopia]

I'm starting to doubt you have any fucking clue what I'm talking about.
Texas. Does. Not. Have. The. Launch. Codes.
Do. You. Comprehend?

The Officers of the federal army, stationed in texas, have them. If the federal government can't collect taxes anymore, and not pay them, they would have a reason to defect, apart from pure state patrioism.

lol, washigton is evil for with-holding my check, fire the nukes to kill them and millions of people!

Anywaya, bad idea to be honeat.

[Dyakovo]

If I remember correctly, I argued for "creation science" against "evolutionism" and did it solely as a debating exercise, hinting plenty of times and openly saying at least once that I parodied the creationists, not supported them.


NATO exists for the purposes of mutual defense, not as a whip for US to swing around. At least not in concept. So why should there be unanimous decisions to attack yet more foreign nations?
An agreement like NATO is sufficient to repel any degree of aggression; and that's all it needs to do.

Creation science? Please state what that is, I've never heard of it.

Creationism.

[Alien Space Bats]

Why are local governments better than federal?

They're demonstrably easier for the rich to buy off.

[United Dependencies]

What do you think - is this shutdown actually an opportunity in disguise?

I'm guessing in your study of history you skipped over The Articles of Confederation as well as The Federalist Papers.

[Draakonite]

The Officers of the federal army, stationed in texas, have them. If the federal government can't collect taxes anymore, and not pay them, they would have a reason to defect, apart from pure state patrioism.

Please stop making shit up when you clearly haven't a fucking clue what you're talking about.
Only the President of the US has the codes and they must be confirmed by the Secretary of Defense.
Please fucking educate yourself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_football

The president doesn't have the activation code for every signle nuclear warhead. He has an authorization code, that is send to the particular locations. On a submarine, the activation codes are stored in the submarine.

[Dyakovo]

Please stop making shit up when you clearly haven't a fucking clue what you're talking about.
Only the President of the US has the codes and they must be confirmed by the Secretary of Defense.
Please fucking educate yourself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_football

The president doesn't have the activation code for every signle nuclear warhead. He has an authorization code, that is send to the particular locations. On a submarine, the activation codes are stored in the submarine.

The activation codes on site are useless without the president's authorization code.

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A shutdown federal government isn't going to start yet another BS war no one needs.
A shutdown federal government means internal espionage programs are suspended.

The United States government would stop paying the electric bill in the Capitol before they'd give up war or espionage.

[Hopeless]

Creation science? Please state what that is, I've never heard of it.

Creationism.

With a scientific lingo

[Nervium]

Lets hope not.

[Hopeless]

A shutdown federal government isn't going to start yet another BS war no one needs.
A shutdown federal government means internal espionage programs are suspended.

The United States government would stop paying the electric bill in the Capitol before they'd give up war or espionage.

Plus the states would starts spying on their own in a short while.