Gun Bans

[Sinaryt]

Iseran you should know that many of the loud mouths around here are a little bit disconnected from the real world to the point that they have even forgotten where the scientific method came from and as a result they make a habit of disregarding personal observations and most of the time sit between conditions of mind numbing brain damage and being scared witless this condition is induced by a number of things including but not limited to {Public school brainwashing/Fluoride/Pharmaceutical drugs/State run media fear campaigns} so you will find that you will get a few in here that will not only not listen but will parrot State media buzz terms like conspiracy theorist to name one this term and a few others like it have no function except to try and shame people into shutting up, but regardless of all that i do thank you for your words.

With luck and a little sense these Authoritarians in the American government will be pushed back and arrested for the various violations of the constitution they have committed before they manage to force the people into a corner, right now the Authoritarians in the American government are trying to force the American people into violent retaliation while at the same time launching streams of anti-gun paranoia and suggesting that gun owners or anyone in favor of the American constitution are some kind of terrorists, of course it is important to know that these Authoritarians are weak and relying only on the ability to keep the public divided and uninformed, the ideals that made America one of the better places in history looks to be seeping back into the nation and it is scaring the Authoritarians enough that they are desperately trying to disarm the public before they take hold again, and maybe if we have a little luck on the side of humanity some of the better ideas like the right to self defense will spread beyond America.

[Greed and Death]

My country, Belgium, has some of the strictest arms control laws in the world (even pepper spray is illegal) and has seen five mass killings over the last four years, four of which targeted young children and one of which resulted in over 125 casualties.
This country is so dangerous that i have been robbed three times in broad daylight (once at knife point), i have seen a youth gang vandalize a truck with metal pipes while they hurled abuse at the terrified driver, i have witnessed two armed robberies, i have heard of 3 home invasions taking place in my street over the last year and i have been threatened in public on countless occasions, all in what is supposedly a "safe" part of the country.

Upon conducting some research i discovered that Europe is much worse off than the united states in terms of violent crime, in fact two European nations (the UK and Austria) are so bad that they are worse off than South Africa.
After a brief comparison it becomes obvious that European countries which have virtually banned self-defense such as Belgium, the Netherlands and the UK have extremely high crime rates while the countries which allow individuals to carry weapons (i.e pepper spray) for self defense in addition to having more relaxed gun laws such as Switzerland, Hungary and the Czech republic have very low crime rates.
The same situation can be found in Asia, where we can see that middle-eastern countries with very lax gun laws such as Saudi Arabia have very low crime rates, while other Asian countries with strict gun control such as the PRC have very high crime (and suicide) rates.
Ditto for America, where we can see that the USA with it's lax gun control has a much lower crime rate than the Latin American nations with strict gun control.


The only logical conclusion is that legalizing armed self-defense (not necessarily with firearms, but at the very least with less-lethal weapons such as pepper spray) will lower violent crime rates significantly.


Americans: please don't give up your guns, otherwise you will end up like us; having to fight for the right to defend yourselves against junkies and sadists with pepper spray.

I don't see the harm in illegalizing assault weapons. A pistol may be a good defense weapon. A bushmaster is like using a minefield to defend against a few wolves.

No a bushmaster is like using a bigger harder to conceal pistol against against wolves.

[Norcroft]

My country, Belgium, has some of the strictest arms control laws in the world (even pepper spray is illegal) and has seen five mass killings over the last four years, four of which targeted young children and one of which resulted in over 125 casualties.
This country is so dangerous that i have been robbed three times in broad daylight (once at knife point), i have seen a youth gang vandalize a truck with metal pipes while they hurled abuse at the terrified driver, i have witnessed two armed robberies, i have heard of 3 home invasions taking place in my street over the last year and i have been threatened in public on countless occasions, all in what is supposedly a "safe" part of the country.

Upon conducting some research i discovered that Europe is much worse off than the united states in terms of violent crime, in fact two European nations (the UK and Austria) are so bad that they are worse off than South Africa.
After a brief comparison it becomes obvious that European countries which have virtually banned self-defense such as Belgium, the Netherlands and the UK have extremely high crime rates while the countries which allow individuals to carry weapons (i.e pepper spray) for self defense in addition to having more relaxed gun laws such as Switzerland, Hungary and the Czech republic have very low crime rates.
The same situation can be found in Asia, where we can see that middle-eastern countries with very lax gun laws such as Saudi Arabia have very low crime rates, while other Asian countries with strict gun control such as the PRC have very high crime (and suicide) rates.
Ditto for America, where we can see that the USA with it's lax gun control has a much lower crime rate than the Latin American nations with strict gun control.


The only logical conclusion is that legalizing armed self-defense (not necessarily with firearms, but at the very least with less-lethal weapons such as pepper spray) will lower violent crime rates significantly.


Americans: please don't give up your guns, otherwise you will end up like us; having to fight for the right to defend yourselves against junkies and sadists with pepper spray.

I don't see the harm in illegalizing assault weapons. A pistol may be a good defense weapon. A bushmaster is like using a minefield to defend against a few wolves.

theres no kill like overkill.

[Genivaria]

{Public school brainwashing/Fluoride/Pharmaceutical drugs/State run media fear campaigns}

It was here that your entire post was dismissed.

[Chinese Regions]

My country, Belgium, has some of the strictest arms control laws in the world (even pepper spray is illegal) and has seen five mass killings over the last four years, four of which targeted young children and one of which resulted in over 125 casualties.
This country is so dangerous that i have been robbed three times in broad daylight (once at knife point), i have seen a youth gang vandalize a truck with metal pipes while they hurled abuse at the terrified driver, i have witnessed two armed robberies, i have heard of 3 home invasions taking place in my street over the last year and i have been threatened in public on countless occasions, all in what is supposedly a "safe" part of the country.

Upon conducting some research i discovered that Europe is much worse off than the united states in terms of violent crime, in fact two European nations (the UK and Austria) are so bad that they are worse off than South Africa.
After a brief comparison it becomes obvious that European countries which have virtually banned self-defense such as Belgium, the Netherlands and the UK have extremely high crime rates while the countries which allow individuals to carry weapons (i.e pepper spray) for self defense in addition to having more relaxed gun laws such as Switzerland, Hungary and the Czech republic have very low crime rates.
The same situation can be found in Asia, where we can see that middle-eastern countries with very lax gun laws such as Saudi Arabia have very low crime rates, while other Asian countries with strict gun control such as the PRC have very high crime (and suicide) rates.
Ditto for America, where we can see that the USA with it's lax gun control has a much lower crime rate than the Latin American nations with strict gun control.


The only logical conclusion is that legalizing armed self-defense (not necessarily with firearms, but at the very least with less-lethal weapons such as pepper spray) will lower violent crime rates significantly.


Americans: please don't give up your guns, otherwise you will end up like us; having to fight for the right to defend yourselves against junkies and sadists with pepper spray.

I agree with this.

[Kvatchdom]

Here in Finland we have so many guns rolling around the old towns that it would be economic and political suicide to even try and make guns illegal. Just trying to find them all would take about 50 years.

[Greed and Death]

Here in Finland we have so many guns rolling around the old towns that it would be economic and political suicide to even try and make guns illegal. Just trying to find them all would take about 50 years.

And if Satw has taught me anything Finns are crazy.
http://satwcomic.com/no-invitation

[Great Nepal]

theres no kill like overkill.

So you are suggesting we should nuke criminals from orbit using antimatter warheads?

[Pine Mountain]

The solution to aggressive weapon crime is obvious enough (to me, anyway):
People of non-aggressive temperament must be required to carry a weapon(s), under penalty of a substantial fine, and people of aggressive temperament must be banned from owning or carrying weapons, under penalty of execution. People can be psychologically profiled throughout their childhood and early adolescence, and people of aggressive temperament can be given a solid-bright-red tattoo (such as a circle, square, or diamond) on their upper cheek at the age of 14 or so, so that people know not to give or sell guns to them. Removal or concealment of said tattoo shall be punishable by execution, and knowingly giving or selling a gun(s) to such a person shall likewise be punishable by execution.

[Warshania]

Why do you have to be such an massive bigot OP, can't you see guns only cause problems? Why can't you enjoy your liberal country and it's enriching European immigration programs without crying for everything? If we ban guns everywhere, criminals won't have them either.

[Freiheit Reich]

It is ridiculous pepper spray is banned in Belgium. It is also banned in PRC. Pepper spray and protect women from rape. It is a good self-defense weapon.

I heard about the no-go zones in Europe. Europeans are probably getting into the gangster rap of the USA and trying to think acting like a thug makes them a good person. It is sad so many people think the gang culture is cool.

I am against music censorship on principle (ex. slippery slope theory) but my heart wishes we could ban gangster rap and any songs that glorify rape and cop killing.

American culture is responsible for so many ills in the world. This includes rising obesity in PRC, rising youth violence in Europe, and rising rates of divorce in many countries.

[United Ethia]

This bill is kind of funny. I have an SKS with a 30-round magazine (a few actually), Tapco-T6 stock with pistol grip and piticanny rails for a foregrip grip and optics, as well as a bayonet. If THAT is not an assault weapon, then nothing short of an AA-12 + drum mag is!


And plus, all that stuff is removable with less than a screwdriver, so if the Gubberment comes knocking I can just hide the pieces.

[Everbeek]

My country, Belgium, has some of the strictest arms control laws in the world (even pepper spray is illegal) and has seen five mass killings over the last four years, four of which targeted young children and one of which resulted in over 125 casualties.

Five mass killings in the last four years? Maybe I'm going senile, but I can only remember 2 events that can be described thus, so can you please refresh my memory?

[Iseran]

It is ridiculous pepper spray is banned in Belgium. It is also banned in PRC. Pepper spray and protect women from rape. It is a good self-defense weapon.

It is indeed ridiculous, i would even go as far as to say that it's an act of persecution against the physically weak.

The Belgian government is so full of irrational and/or amoral scum that it has gone so far as to want a ban on antique firearms (possibly including muzzle loaders) unless one has a "special" (read: virtually impossible to obtain) license.

Europeans are probably getting into the gangster rap of the USA and trying to think acting like a thug makes them a good person. It is sad so many people think the gang culture is cool.

I am against music censorship on principle (ex. slippery slope theory) but my heart wishes we could ban gangster rap and any songs that glorify rape and cop killing.

Sadly this is true, a lot of European youths, especially those living in the larger cities, are obsessed with "gangster rap" to the point they dress up like thugs (low hanging pants, baseball caps facing backwards, gold chains, etc...) and engage in criminal activity (mostly random beatings, robberies and vandalism) because they think it's "cool".


@ Everbeek:

- the massacre committed by Nordine Amrani.
- the school shooting committed by Kim De Gelder.
- the massacre of infants by a man who claimed to be "the joker" (from batman).
- the massacre of six children by their mother.
- the massacre of an entire family by an "unknown assailant".

and that's just the one's i have heard of.

[Big Jim P]

Caninope is right.

I'll take a gander at why you agree with me. I get the feeling that you, like me, think that there's absolutely nothing wrong with people like my dad simply because he has two hunting rifles and three hunting shotguns. You think there's absolutely nothing wrong with people like my granddad with multiple shotguns, rifles, and handguns (and had more before they were stolen about a decade ago). Both are law abiding citizens, and you (like me) do not think there is anything wrong with them simply because they own so many guns.

I could give a list of reasons why a person would dislike my dad (as I suppose every son could), but nowhere on that list is the fact that he owns multiple firearms.

You pretty much nailed it. Just like owning more than one car, there is nothing wrong with owning more than one gun.

[Big Jim P]

Which was always hilarious to me, since it's just as deadly for mass shootings as an AR-15.

Nobody ever mentions this lead spitting monster in the gun control debate.

It can fire 108 .32 cal projectiles in less than 2 seconds, which rivals virtually every SMG out there.
But that's OK cuz shotguns r fur hunting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLk1v5bSFPwHres another good one..

[Big Jim P]

Self defense is a basic human right.

[Dyakovo]

I'll take a gander at why you agree with me. I get the feeling that you, like me, think that there's absolutely nothing wrong with people like my dad simply because he has two hunting rifles and three hunting shotguns. You think there's absolutely nothing wrong with people like my granddad with multiple shotguns, rifles, and handguns (and had more before they were stolen about a decade ago). Both are law abiding citizens, and you (like me) do not think there is anything wrong with them simply because they own so many guns.

I could give a list of reasons why a person would dislike my dad (as I suppose every son could), but nowhere on that list is the fact that he owns multiple firearms.

You pretty much nailed it. Just like owning more than one car, there is nothing wrong with owning more than one gun.

No, no, no... Owning a gun makes you a criminal, so owning more than one makes you a super-criminal.
*nods*

[Yes Im Biop]

Though, allow me to make a point here;

Would you try to stop car violence by banning spoilers and custom bodywork?

Not sure why you're asking me that?

Because the Current Ban's are targeting Form, Not Function.

[Dyakovo]

Not sure why you're asking me that?

Because the Current Ban's are targeting Form, Not Function.

I realize that... It doesn't answer the question I asked though.

[Yes Im Biop]

Because the Current Ban's are targeting Form, Not Function.

I realize that... It doesn't answer the question I asked though.

I think Corda did earlier that it was not directed Specifically at you.

[Albion Rhodesia]

Considering that every interview or press release that the Senator gives, she's either holding a firearm improperly/dangerously, I believe that her right to even be able to propose such legislation should be stripped away, as she has no concept of firearms whatsoever.

[Yes Im Biop]

Considering that every interview or press release that the Senator gives, she's either holding a firearm improperly/dangerously, I believe that her right to even be able to propose such legislation should be stripped away, as she has no concept of firearms whatsoever.

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The fuck why does she have her finger on the trigger?

[Risottia]

My country, Belgium, has some of the strictest arms control laws in the world (even pepper spray is illegal) and has seen five mass killings over the last four years, four of which targeted young children and one of which resulted in over 125 casualties.
This country is so dangerous that i have been robbed three times in broad daylight (once at knife point), i have seen a youth gang vandalize a truck with metal pipes while they hurled abuse at the terrified driver, i have witnessed two armed robberies, i have heard of 3 home invasions taking place in my street over the last year and i have been threatened in public on countless occasions, all in what is supposedly a "safe" part of the country.

Considering that Belgium is the country with the highest Flemish population, this is no surprise. Countries with lower Flemish populations don't have the same problems.
You should replace the Flemish population with more law-abiding people, like German immigrants.

Hurr durr.

[Risottia]

Self defense is a basic human right.

And it is already recognized in all CoE countries. Belgium included.