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Postby San Lumen » Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:55 pm

Ruffletrump wrote:
San Lumen wrote:and what should they have to adopt? Completely give up their culture and traditions?


Not give it up entirely, but you should at least attempt to integrate with the dominant culture of a community rather than forcing them to give up their culture to accommodate you.

sorry what are white people having to give up? That is who this bigoted candidate referenced. She wants to keep the community white.
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Postby Ruffletrump » Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:59 pm

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Not give it up entirely, but you should at least attempt to integrate with the dominant culture of a community rather than forcing them to give up their culture to accommodate you.

sorry what are white people having to give up? That is who this bigoted candidate referenced. She wants to keep the community white.


Let's see some of our history, having to change certain traditions because it offends people like you, among other things. And fyi I wasn't really referring to the candidate, let alone her admittedly backwards views. Forgive me for asking, but what do you think a community should do for new arrivals?
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:00 pm

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San Lumen wrote:sorry what are white people having to give up? That is who this bigoted candidate referenced. She wants to keep the community white.


Let's see some of our history, having to change certain traditions because it offends people like you, among other things. And fyi I wasn't really referring to the candidate, let alone her admittedly backwards views.

Like what?

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Postby Ruffletrump » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:01 pm

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Let's see some of our history, having to change certain traditions because it offends people like you, among other things. And fyi I wasn't really referring to the candidate, let alone her admittedly backwards views.

Like what?


Let's see erasing certain murals, taking down statues, renaming streets, canceling or renaming holidays because they might be considered offensive.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:03 pm

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San Lumen wrote:Like what?


Let's see erasing certain murals, taking down statues, renaming streets, canceling or renaming holidays because they might be considered offensive.


Oh you mean taking down statues put up during Jim Crow to intimidate and streets named for traitors?

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Postby Ruffletrump » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:04 pm

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Let's see erasing certain murals, taking down statues, renaming streets, canceling or renaming holidays because they might be considered offensive.


Oh you mean taking down statues put up during Jim Crow to intimidate and streets named for traitors?


Oh I think you mean defacing monuments that honor the dead or reconcilliation after the war, as well as honor the men that fought. Btw I'm still waiting on your answer to the question I asked you earlier. OR do you having nothing of substance to add?
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:05 pm

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Oh you mean taking down statues put up during Jim Crow to intimidate and streets named for traitors?


Oh I think you mean defacing monuments that honor the dead or reconcilliation after the war, as well as honor the men that fought. Btw I'm still waiting on your answer to the question I asked you earlier. OR do you having nothing of substance to add?

That isnt acceptable.

a community should welcome new arrivals and not turn them away because they have different traditions or customs or their skin color.

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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:06 pm

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Oh you mean taking down statues put up during Jim Crow to intimidate and streets named for traitors?


Oh I think you mean defacing monuments that honor the dead or reconcilliation after the war, as well as honor the men that fought. Btw I'm still waiting on your answer to the question I asked you earlier. OR do you having nothing of substance to add?

Let the dead honor their own dead. Let the living create monuments to those alive in memory.
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Postby Ruffletrump » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:07 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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Oh I think you mean defacing monuments that honor the dead or reconcilliation after the war, as well as honor the men that fought. Btw I'm still waiting on your answer to the question I asked you earlier. OR do you having nothing of substance to add?

That isnt acceptable.

a community should welcome new arrivals and not turn them away because they have different traditions or customs or their skin color.


If you'd noticed I'm not against new arrivals, but I do think that they should integrate into the community rather than putting their own traditions above that of the community they live in. Better yet, blend the two so that the culture of the community only becomes ever more rich in culture.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:07 pm

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San Lumen wrote:That isnt acceptable.

a community should welcome new arrivals and not turn them away because they have different traditions or customs or their skin color.


If you'd noticed I'm not against new arrivals, but I do think that they should integrate into the community rather than putting their own traditions above that of the community they live in. Better yet, blend the two so that the culture of the community only becomes ever more rich in culture.

define integration

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Postby Ruffletrump » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:10 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ruffletrump wrote:
If you'd noticed I'm not against new arrivals, but I do think that they should integrate into the community rather than putting their own traditions above that of the community they live in. Better yet, blend the two so that the culture of the community only becomes ever more rich in culture.

define integration


Blending with the community and becoming part of it, rather than isolating oneself/cutting oneself of from it.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:11 pm

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San Lumen wrote:define integration


Blending with the community and becoming part of it, rather than isolating oneself/cutting oneself of from it.

ok and you define that as completely giving up your previous culture and traditions?

Do you also think that what the woman mentioned in the OP said was unacceptable and bigoted?

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Postby Ruffletrump » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:12 pm

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Oh I think you mean defacing monuments that honor the dead or reconcilliation after the war, as well as honor the men that fought. Btw I'm still waiting on your answer to the question I asked you earlier. OR do you having nothing of substance to add?

Let the dead honor their own dead. Let the living create monuments to those alive in memory.


Honor the dead who perished before their time in memory and in stone. Let the living honor and celebrate them for the good they have done, but remember their misdeeds and let them not be repeated.
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Postby Ruffletrump » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:15 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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Blending with the community and becoming part of it, rather than isolating oneself/cutting oneself of from it.

ok and you define that as completely giving up your previous culture and traditions?

Do you also think that what the woman mentioned in the OP said was unacceptable and bigoted?


You really are hard headed aren't you? No, it means blending with the community and bringing the best parts of your culture to add to that community, rather than keeping out of it for fear of losing your culture. That is how we end up getting stuff like the issues europe is having with its immigrants. Ideally what would happen is the new arrivals would settle within the community, form relationships/friendships, and add to the richness of the community's culture, rather than demanding that their culture take precedence over the community's preexisting one. And once again...I never agreed with the woman on the frankly ridiculous shit she said. Now with that being said I think you need to perhaps pay a bit more attention to what people are saying before jumping to conclusions.
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Postby Drongonia » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:18 pm

Those are her views and she should be allowed to speak them if she wants. Similarly, if someone thinks those values align with theirs, they should feel free to vote for her.

This is an outrage-bait story from the media to get clicks, this woman is likely going to get nowhere near any kind of power, as people will likely be smart enough not to vote for her.

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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:19 pm

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Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:Let the dead honor their own dead. Let the living create monuments to those alive in memory.


Honor the dead who perished before their time in memory and in stone. Let the living honor and celebrate them for the good they have done, but remember their misdeeds and let them not be repeated.

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Postby Ruffletrump » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:21 pm

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
Ruffletrump wrote:
Honor the dead who perished before their time in memory and in stone. Let the living honor and celebrate them for the good they have done, but remember their misdeeds and let them not be repeated.

Four words: Sherman did nothing wrong


Heh. Nah he really didn't to be honest. Had he not burned Atlanta and conducted the March to the Sea, the war would have dragged on for much longer. No with that being said, that kind of was offset by the fact that he was a no good dirty yankee.
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:21 pm

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Honor the dead who perished before their time in memory and in stone. Let the living honor and celebrate them for the good they have done, but remember their misdeeds and let them not be repeated.

Four words: Sherman did nothing wrong

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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:22 pm

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Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:Four words: Sherman did nothing wrong

Three words: *** Warned for trolling. ***

Fair enough.
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Postby Grand Proudhonia » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:27 pm

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Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:Let the dead honor their own dead. Let the living create monuments to those alive in memory.


Honor the dead who perished before their time in memory and in stone. Let the living honor and celebrate them for the good they have done, but remember their misdeeds and let them not be repeated.

I think fighting to keep men bound in literal, not even figurative but literal, chains erases every ounce of good that confederates may have had in their souls... Remember them yes but sure as hell dont honor or celebrate them
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:35 pm

Drongonia wrote:Those are her views and she should be allowed to speak them if she wants. Similarly, if someone thinks those values align with theirs, they should feel free to vote for her.

This is an outrage-bait story from the media to get clicks, this woman is likely going to get nowhere near any kind of power, as people will likely be smart enough not to vote for her.

I agree. She is entitled to her views, run for office if she meets the requirements and if someone chooses to vote for her that is also their right

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Postby Pacomia » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:37 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Drongonia wrote:Those are her views and she should be allowed to speak them if she wants. Similarly, if someone thinks those values align with theirs, they should feel free to vote for her.

This is an outrage-bait story from the media to get clicks, this woman is likely going to get nowhere near any kind of power, as people will likely be smart enough not to vote for her.

I agree. She is entitled to her views, run for office if she meets the requirements and if someone chooses to vote for her that is also their right

Yeah. But I still disagree with her views.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:53 pm

Pacomia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I agree. She is entitled to her views, run for office if she meets the requirements and if someone chooses to vote for her that is also their right

Yeah. But I still disagree with her views.

As do I

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Postby US-SSR » Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:35 pm

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US-SSR wrote:From the census figures I've seen whoever is in charge of that in this little burg is sure doing a good job. What's her next policy statement going to be, keep the ocean salty I'm after thinking.

You agree with her bigotry and comments on interracial marriage?


To be clear, not at all, but imo a community that is <1% nonwhite probably has other barriers to diversity than one racist grandma running around lamenting Loving v. Virginia. Instead of jumping down her throat they might could do a little soul searching about why non-Caucasians find their town so unappealing.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:54 am

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San Lumen wrote:You agree with her bigotry and comments on interracial marriage?


To be clear, not at all, but imo a community that is <1% nonwhite probably has other barriers to diversity than one racist grandma running around lamenting Loving v. Virginia. Instead of jumping down her throat they might could do a little soul searching about why non-Caucasians find their town so unappealing.


I wouldn't say most find their town unappealing. It's a combination of no one knowing that Marsyville is there, poverty entrapping many blacks, Latinos and Arabs in Detroit's West side, and probably now this lady's rant as well. I'm sure though that many minorities would rather live in Marysville than in detroit. Low crime, less pollution and less drug addicts.

It makes sense that towns like Marysville would be 99% white when minorities in america tend to cluster in certain areas as opposed to bring evenly distributed throughout the country
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