Are 8+ hour workdays unreasonable?

[Herador]

How old are you? If you are under 25 you may still have some hope in finding an entry level job. If you are going on 30 it is going to be very, very difficult.

The most obvious course of action is to still enroll in a university course like the ones you just named. If you get good grades you will be bound to get a look in even without experience, and getting good grades doesn't even require an interest in the matter or a high level of intelligence, just discipline. However I understand that enrolling in a university course doesn't come easy or cheap for you Americans like it does elsewhere, unfortunately.

I'm 30, so I'm prepared to die when the money and support is all gone. I don't want it to be from starvation but a gun is easy enough for me to use on myself, but at the same time, I might not have the nerve to do so and want to try lasting as long as I can in defiance, but it'll perhaps be too painful. But I'm also curious as to how long I could be homeless before dying if this is inevitable.

If I made all the wrong choices, I want other people to avoid that while they can.

Get a job, any job. No one "white collar" wants to hire someone who is unemployed or has a crap work history. Do the thing I told you to do and in a year and a half build your CV and go shopping for a new job with that.

[Drongonia]

8 hours? Yes. Any more than that and you should be being paid a good overtime rate. I would say doing 12 hour shifts isn't a great thing for your health, but at the end of the day I suppose it all comes down to what you agree to.

[Turbofolkia]

How old are you? If you are under 25 you may still have some hope in finding an entry level job. If you are going on 30 it is going to be very, very difficult.

The most obvious course of action is to still enroll in a university course like the ones you just named. If you get good grades you will be bound to get a look in even without experience, and getting good grades doesn't even require an interest in the matter or a high level of intelligence, just discipline. However I understand that enrolling in a university course doesn't come easy or cheap for you Americans like it does elsewhere, unfortunately.

I'm 30, so I'm prepared to die when the money and support is all gone. I don't want it to be from starvation but a gun is easy enough for me to use on myself, but at the same time, I might not have the nerve to do so and want to try lasting as long as I can in defiance, but it'll perhaps be too painful. But I'm also curious as to how long I could be homeless before dying if this is inevitable.

If I made all the wrong choices, I want other people to avoid that while they can.

Your fate is only sealed if you let it be. If you can reasonably see yourself attending university try that.

I obviously don’t know you well enough to try to give you life advice and I don’t want to seem patronising. Do you have any close family or friends who may be able to help you get a leg up?

[Saiwania]

Do you have any close family or friends who may be able to help you get a leg up?

I do not. Anyone I ever talk to now, is online and lives somewhere else. I'd say my underlying mistake was trying to go it alone too much, it seems my natural default self is not a good self to be, so far as what other people think or feel. I consciously and subconsciously pushed everyone away until it was too late, if its too late.

[Herador]

Do you have any close family or friends who may be able to help you get a leg up?

I do not. Anyone I ever talk to now, is online and lives somewhere else. I'd say my underlying mistake was trying to go it alone too much, it seems my natural default self is not a good self to be, so far as what other people think or feel. I consciously and subconsciously pushed everyone away until it was too late, if its too late.

See a life coach. Seriously, they help and it's they're job to get you back on track

[Risottia]

6 hours is already my personal limit, as I on average require 10 hours of sleep,

I'd love to see medical certification for that.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I work from home, as work for me essentially means helping my dad sell houses at the moment. I presume that the fact I sleep for about 4/5 hours a day will be of assistance when I get a proper job though.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Eight hours is about the limit of reasonable on a regular basis to me. The trend of working longer and longer hours in the UK seems detrimental to efficiency to me. It also seems ridiculous to have one person killing themselves working excessive hours and someone else sitting around on unemployment benefits.

[Novus America]

A lot of people seem to think having no job than a job they look down on, or think they are too good for. There's always work. You may have to have a flexible schedule and be willing to work weekends, holidays, etc for some of them, though. Maybe nights too. That opens up a whole possibility of other jobs there.

Sure there is always work, but by a job posting's very nature, if you aren't the only one who applied and you're objectively not the most appealing, with some things like age being out of your control- you can perhaps be passed over for someone else nearly 100% of the time.

Well persistence is key. If you are not sending out dozens of applications a week you are frankly doing it wrong. You might need to send hundreds or thousands before you get a call back.

And do not aim for only “office jobs”.

Office jobs paying 6 figures sound great, but obviously they are desirable and thus selective and competitive.

Also consider vocational training in a skilled trade.

People like electricians and mechanics these days make quite good money.

[Infected Mushroom]

My experience is that everyone who's looking for degrees wants a Bachelors or higher. An Associates hasn't helped me one bit. It was the compromise I made between not going to college at all and getting some. I wish I did trade school instead. I didn't pick a worthless major like "diversity studies" or something ultra liberal arts, it just happened to not be a good fit for my location and I went about things the wrong way.

I'm thinking if I picked something like the legal, financial, or medical sectors (even if I don't like any of it) that it's practical enough to exist almost anywhere you go.

I mean this sincerely

Never EVER regret your decision NOT to do legal

Yeah, don’t go anywhere near legal

You avoided one type of hell

[Novus America]

My experience is that everyone who's looking for degrees wants a Bachelors or higher. An Associates hasn't helped me one bit. It was the compromise I made between not going to college at all and getting some. I wish I did trade school instead. I didn't pick a worthless major like "diversity studies" or something ultra liberal arts, it just happened to not be a good fit for my location and I went about things the wrong way.

I'm thinking if I picked something like the legal, financial, or medical sectors (even if I don't like any of it) that it's practical enough to exist almost anywhere you go.

I mean this sincerely

Never EVER regret your decision NOT to do legal

Yeah, don’t go anywhere near legal

You avoided one type of hell

There are a lot of diverse options in the legal field.
Some options have very bad work life balances but others do not.

[Infected Mushroom]

I mean this sincerely

Never EVER regret your decision NOT to do legal

Yeah, don’t go anywhere near legal

You avoided one type of hell

There are a lot of diverse options in the legal field.
Some options have very bad work life balances but others do not.

5 years out of law school and about half of my class quit the legal profession and went back to their old jobs or pursued done other degrees

They’d rather take lower pay and deal with the law school debt

Only extremely aggressive, precise, energetic corporate types who love conflicts and endless deadlines (with no hobbies outside of work) seem to survive

I mean the fact that you have to record what you do every 12 minutes of your life and try to make it billable is a huge psychological death trap; you’ll actually feel bad not billing your time on holidays

Also...

The judges, the clients, the colleagues, opposing counsel, the banks etc you’ll end up hating them all

On any single transaction or case you do there’s at least one other party looking to try to exploit you or get you to fail/look bad

Also, watch out for anybody who makes it long enough to hit senior management in THIS cut throat profession; think of all the people they outplayed and screwed over to get there. Yeah they are your boss.

[Ifreann]

Probably because for the majority of employment it involves doing menial labor in order to make money for millionaire and billionaire CEO's and bosses who didn't work their up but were instead born into their wealth, who will only pay their worker's barely a fraction of their own weekly salary.

Or do salary jobs where you only do work for 2-3 hours a day and then spend another 6-5 hours goofing off, watching YouTube/playing games, and pretending to do work because you're not allowed to leave and your boss will get uppity if you're not "Working" or want to leave early.

Those are the breaks, you'll always have someone above you calling the shots and probably making more money than you. Crying about it doesn't improve anything.

Tearing down capitalism does.

[Rojava Free State]

How old are you? If you are under 25 you may still have some hope in finding an entry level job. If you are going on 30 it is going to be very, very difficult.

The most obvious course of action is to still enroll in a university course like the ones you just named. If you get good grades you will be bound to get a look in even without experience, and getting good grades doesn't even require an interest in the matter or a high level of intelligence, just discipline. However I understand that enrolling in a university course doesn't come easy or cheap for you Americans like it does elsewhere, unfortunately.

I'm 30, so I'm prepared to die when the money and support is all gone. I don't want it to be from starvation but a gun is easy enough for me to use on myself, but at the same time, I might not have the nerve to do so and want to try lasting as long as I can in defiance, but it'll perhaps be too painful. But I'm also curious as to how long I could be homeless before dying if this is inevitable.

If I made all the wrong choices, I want other people to avoid that while they can.

Jesus christ, Joseph and mother mary

[Petrolheadia]

You mind saying more about that?

Deny the hated capitalists the fruits of your labour. Do as little work as you can get away while someone else it taking all the profit from your work and paying you as little of it as they can get away with.

Step 2: bitch about how you can't keep a steady job and don't have enough money for stuff you want.

[Rojava Free State]

Probably because for the majority of employment it involves doing menial labor in order to make money for millionaire and billionaire CEO's and bosses who didn't work their up but were instead born into their wealth, who will only pay their worker's barely a fraction of their own weekly salary.

Or do salary jobs where you only do work for 2-3 hours a day and then spend another 6-5 hours goofing off, watching YouTube/playing games, and pretending to do work because you're not allowed to leave and your boss will get uppity if you're not "Working" or want to leave early.

Those are the breaks, you'll always have someone above you calling the shots and probably making more money than you. Crying about it doesn't improve anything.

you'll always have someone with no brains but a rich daddy above you calling the shots, telling you what to do and how to think and making too much money while you barely survive. Crying about it doesn't work. Taking action does.there I fixed it for you

[Rojava Free State]

Deny the hated capitalists the fruits of your labour. Do as little work as you can get away while someone else it taking all the profit from your work and paying you as little of it as they can get away with.

Step 2: bitch about how you can't keep a steady job and don't have enough money for stuff you want.

If poverty was due to people just being stupid and not due to major societal issues, we would have a far lower rate of poverty in america. We deserve enough money to not worry about ending up under a bridge

[Petrolheadia]

Step 2: bitch about how you can't keep a steady job and don't have enough money for stuff you want.

If poverty was due to people just being stupid and not due to major societal issues, we would have a far lower rate of poverty in america. We deserve enough money to not worry about ending up under a bridge

If people were more willing to get further in life,,the poverty rate would also drop. I don't want to subsidise someone who does not want to actually perform meaningful work.

[Big Jim P]

I work 12 hour shifts. I get three days off every week, and still make overtime. Reasonable to me.

[Rojava Free State]

If poverty was due to people just being stupid and not due to major societal issues, we would have a far lower rate of poverty in america. We deserve enough money to not worry about ending up under a bridge

If people were more willing to get further in life,,the poverty rate would also drop. I don't want to subsidise someone who does not want to actually perform meaningful work.

People are willing to work in life, but in some places the jobs have been automated by big business and in others the wages are too low for workers to get by. No one is asking you to directly pay anyone. Matter of fact I'm not even asking for welfare. I want businesses themselves to pay their workers a good living wage and preferably would love if automation and outsourcing were reversed although I doubt that's gonna happen

[Petrolheadia]

and preferably would love if automation and outsourcing were reversed although I doubt that's gonna happen

So you want really bad poverty, just in other countries. And if you get paid too little, seek ways to be paid more.

[Ifreann]

Deny the hated capitalists the fruits of your labour. Do as little work as you can get away while someone else it taking all the profit from your work and paying you as little of it as they can get away with.

Step 2: bitch about how you can't keep a steady job and don't have enough money for stuff you want.

Yes. It's unfair that people who work get so little compared to people who own, and we should complain about that regularly.

[Rojava Free State]

and preferably would love if automation and outsourcing were reversed although I doubt that's gonna happen

So you want really bad poverty, just in other countries. And if you get paid too little, seek ways to be paid more.

Yeah, here's a way to be paid more. If I'm working for you then give me enough money to actually survive, something I as a worker and a human deserve. Also why can't those other countries create their own businesses to employ their people?

[Petrolheadia]

So you want really bad poverty, just in other countries. And if you get paid too little, seek ways to be paid more.

Yeah, here's a way to be paid more. If I'm working for you then give me enough money to actually survive, something I as a worker and a human deserve.

Why should I if your labor is not valuable enough to society?

Also why can't those other countries create their own businesses to employ their people?

Because they need foreign investment money to do so?

[Ifreann]

Yeah, here's a way to be paid more. If I'm working for you then give me enough money to actually survive, something I as a worker and a human deserve.

Why should I if your labor is not valuable enough to society?

Employees aren't paid according to the value of their labour to society. They're paid the minimum amount their employer can get them to accept.