[SUBMITTED] Fringe Benefits

[Baggieland]

Here's another one.

[TITLE] Fringe Benefits

[DESCRIPTION] A disproportionate number of male prisoners, four times the national average, are identifying as transgender. Some believe that they are pretending to be so only in order to receive special perks during their incarceration.

[VALIDITY] high civil rights, has prisons, adult

[OPTION] "These jailbirds will try anything to make their time cushier," declares Head Warden @@RANDOMNAME@@, as @@HE@@ flicks your light switch on and off several times. "Special dispensations such as separate cells and showering alone are unnecessary and costly. Let them take showers with the other male inmates; they'll soon stop wearing lipstick then!"

[EFFECT] no one dares to drop their bar of soap

[OPTION] "Transgender prisoners have rights too," asserts @@RANDOMNAME@@, a civil rights activist, who is wearing a dress and jackboots. "They absolutely should be allowed these permissions as it simply isn't safe for them to mix with the general male population. In fact, the best way would be to transfer all male transgender inmates to women's prisons, I'm sure the female convicts won't have any objections."

[EFFECT] live football matches are the most popular TV programme inside female prisons

[OPTION] "Transferring transgender men to female prisons is asking for trouble," states @@RANDOMNAME@@, your Minister for Solutions, you hand @@HIM@@ today's crossword puzzle and give up trying to complete it before @@HE@@ does. "The risk of sexual assault on female inmates is too great. However, for those who are transitioning for real, to keep them in male prisons is a violation of their rights. I propose that we build separate wings for these prisoners, that way everyone remains safe."

[EFFECT] fights break out inside male prisons when the toilet seat is left up

[TITLE] Fringe Benefits

[DESCRIPTION] A disproportionate number of male prisoners, four times the national average, are identifying as transgender. Those who deal with the prison system have come to you to discuss the reasons behind this statistic.

[VALIDITY] high civil rights, has prisons, adult

[OPTION] "These jailbirds will try anything to make their time cushier," declares Head Warden @@RANDOMNAME@@, as @@HE@@ flicks your light switch on and off several times. "They are only pretending to be so in order to receive special perks, such as separate cells and showering alone. The dispensations we give them are unnecessary and costly. Let them take showers with the other male inmates; they'll soon stop wearing lipstick then!"

[EFFECT] transgender prisoners hide their shanks from the warders and their lipstick from their cell-mates

[OPTION] "Transgender prisoners have rights too," asserts @@RANDOMNAME@@, a transgender activist, who currently identifies as 'whatever'. "They absolutely should be believed, and as a matter of fact these permissions don't go far enough. It simply isn't safe for them to mix with the general male population: the best way would be to transfer all male transgender inmates to women's prisons. I'm sure the female convicts won't have any objections."

[EFFECT] the @@CAPITAL@@ Women's Prison Choir now has a baritone section

[OPTION] "Transferring them to female prisons is asking for trouble," states @@RANDOMNAME@@, your Minister for Solutions, you hand @@HIM@@ today's crossword puzzle and give up trying to complete it before @@HE@@ does. "They might be pretending, they might not. However, you have to keep biological men and women in different prisons. This isn't about gender identity, this is about preventing pregnancy in prison and managing violence risk. We should build separate wings for these prisoners; to ensure everyone's safe."

[EFFECT] fights break out inside male prisons when the toilet seat is left up

[OPTION] "I'm afraid this is evidence of institutionalised transphobia," expresses @@RANDOMNAME@@, your Minister of Equality, as @@HE@@ places the chairs in your office equidistant from each other, taking @@HIS@@ duties too literally. "We need to set up education programs that target the prison and legal systems, to train this transphobia out of them. Only then will transgender people be treated with the respect they deserve."

[EFFECT] male lifers politely open the door for their transgender cell-mates

[TITLE] Fringe Benefits

[DESCRIPTION] A disproportionate number of male prisoners, four times the national average, are identifying as transgender. Those who deal with the prison system have come to you to discuss the reasons behind this statistic.

[VALIDITY] high civil rights, has prisons, adult

[OPTION] "These jailbirds will try anything to make their time cushier," declares Head Warden @@RANDOMNAME@@, as @@HE@@ flicks your light switch on and off several times. "They are only pretending to be so in order to receive special perks, such as separate cells and showering alone. We ought to take 'gender-identity' off our databases, and only record 'biological sex'. That's the only metric that matters in running an efficient and safe prison."

[EFFECT] transgender prisoners hide their shanks from the warders and their lipstick from their cell-mates

[OPTION] "Transgender prisoners have rights too," asserts @@RANDOMNAME@@, a transgender activist, who currently identifies as 'whatever'. "They absolutely should be believed, and as a matter of fact these permissions don't go far enough. It simply isn't safe for them to mix with the general male population: the best way would be to transfer all male transgender inmates to women's prisons. I'm sure the female convicts won't have any objections."

[EFFECT] the @@CAPITAL@@ Women's Prison Choir now has a baritone section

[OPTION] "Transferring them to female prisons is asking for trouble," states @@RANDOMNAME@@, your Minister for Solutions, you hand @@HIM@@ today's crossword puzzle and give up trying to complete it before @@HE@@ does. "They might be pretending, they might not. However, you have to keep men and women in different prisons. This isn't about gender identity, this is about preventing pregnancy in prison and managing violence risk. We should build separate wings for these prisoners; to ensure everyone's safety."

[EFFECT] fights break out inside male prisons when the toilet seat is left up

[OPTION] "I'm afraid this is evidence of institutionalised transphobia," expresses @@RANDOMNAME@@, your Minister of Equality, as @@HE@@ places the chairs in your office equidistant from each other, taking @@HIS@@ duties too literally. "We need to set up education programs that target the prison and legal systems, to train this transphobia out of them. Only then will transgender people be treated with the respect they deserve."

[EFFECT] male lifers politely open the door for their transgender cell-mates

[TITLE] Fringe Benefits

[DESCRIPTION] A disproportionate number of male prisoners, four times the national average, are identifying as transgender. Those who deal with the prison system have come to you to discuss the reasons behind this statistic.

[VALIDITY] high civil rights, has prisons, adult

[OPTION] "These jailbirds will try anything to make their time cushier," declares Head Warden @@RANDOMNAME@@, as @@HE@@ flicks your light switch on and off several times. "They are only pretending to be so in order to receive special perks, such as separate cells and showering alone. We ought to take 'gender-identity' off our databases, and only record 'biological sex'. That's the only metric that matters in running efficient and safe prisons."

[EFFECT] transgender prisoners hide their shanks from the warders and their lipstick from their cell-mates

[OPTION] "Trans prisoners have rights too," asserts @@RANDOMNAME@@, a transgender activist, who currently identifies as 'whatever'. "They absolutely should be believed, and as a matter of fact these permissions don't go far enough. It simply isn't safe for transfemme prisoners to mix with the general male population. When deciding whether to send someone to a male or female correctional institution, we should ensure that all assignments are made according to identified, not assigned, gender."

[EFFECT] the @@CAPITAL@@ Women's Prison Choir now has a baritone section

[OPTION] "Transferring them to female prisons is asking for trouble," states @@RANDOMNAME@@, your Minister for Solutions, you hand @@HIM@@ today's crossword puzzle and give up trying to complete it before @@HE@@ does. "They might be pretending, they might not. However, you have to keep men and women in different prisons. This isn't about gender identity, this is about preventing pregnancy in prison and managing violence risk. We should build separate wings for these prisoners; to ensure everyone's safety."

[EFFECT] fights break out inside male prisons when the toilet seat is left up

[OPTION] "I'm afraid this is evidence of institutionalised transphobia," expresses @@RANDOMNAME@@, your Minister of Equality, as @@HE@@ places the chairs in your office equidistant from each other, taking @@HIS@@ duties too literally. "We need to set up education programs that target the prison and legal systems, to train this transphobia out of them. Only then will transgender people be treated with the respect they deserve."

[EFFECT] male lifers politely open the door for their transgender cell-mates

[TITLE] Fringe Benefits

[DESCRIPTION] A disproportionate number of male prisoners, four times the national average, are identifying as transgender. Those who deal with the prison system have come to you to discuss the reasons behind this statistic.

[VALIDITY] high civil rights, has prisons, adult

[OPTION] "These jailbirds will try anything to make their time cushier," declares Head Warden @@RANDOMNAME@@, as @@HE@@ flicks your light switch on and off several times. "They are only pretending to be so in order to receive special perks, such as separate cells and showering alone. We ought to take 'gender-identity' off our databases, and only record 'biological sex'. That's the only metric that matters in running efficient and safe prisons."

[EFFECT] transgender prisoners hide their shanks from the warders and their lipstick from their cell-mates

[OPTION] "Trans prisoners have rights too," asserts @@RANDOMNAME@@, a transgender activist, who currently identifies as 'whatever'. "They absolutely should be believed, and as a matter of fact these permissions don't go far enough. It simply isn't safe for transfemme prisoners to mix with the general male population. When deciding whether to send someone to a male or female correctional institution, we should ensure that all assignments are made according to identified, not assigned, gender."

[EFFECT] the @@CAPITAL@@ Women's Prison Choir now has a baritone section

[OPTION] "Transferring them to female prisons is asking for trouble," states @@RANDOMNAME@@, your Minister for Solutions, you hand @@HIM@@ today's crossword puzzle and give up trying to complete it before @@HE@@ does. "They might be pretending, they might not. However, you have to keep men and women in different prisons. This isn't about gender identity, this is about preventing pregnancy in prison and managing violence risk. We should build separate wings for these prisoners; to ensure everyone's safety."

[EFFECT] a prison in a small @@DEMONYM@@ city now has an expensive new wing to house a single transgender prisoner

[OPTION] "I'm afraid this is evidence of institutionalised transphobia," expresses @@RANDOMNAME@@, your Minister of Equality, as @@HE@@ places the chairs in your office equidistant from each other, taking @@HIS@@ duties too literally. "We need to set up education programs that target the prison and legal systems, to train this transphobia out of them. Only then will transgender people be treated with the respect they deserve."

[EFFECT] the @@CAPITAL@@ Men's Prison Choir now has a soprano section

[TITLE] Fringe Benefits

[DESCRIPTION] A disproportionate number of male prisoners, four times the national average, are identifying as transgender. Those who deal with the prison system have come to you to discuss the reasons behind this statistic.

[VALIDITY] high civil rights, has prisons, adult

[OPTION] "These jailbirds will try anything to make their time cushier," declares Head Warden @@RANDOMNAME@@, as @@HE@@ flicks your light switch on and off several times. "They are only pretending to be so in order to receive special perks, such as separate cells and showering alone. We ought to take 'gender-identity' off our databases, and only record 'biological sex'. That's the only metric that matters in running efficient and safe prisons."

[EFFECT] not even good behaviour will get inmates any special perks

[OPTION] "Trans prisoners have rights too," asserts @@RANDOMNAME@@, a transgender activist, who after transitioning back and forth a few times, now identifies as an 'alien'. "They absolutely should be believed, and as a matter of fact these permissions don't go far enough. It simply isn't safe for transfemme prisoners to mix with the general male population. When deciding whether to send someone to a male or female correctional institution, we should ensure that all assignments are made according to identified, not assigned, gender."

[EFFECT] the @@CAPITAL@@ Women's Prison Choir now has a baritone section

[OPTION] "Transferring them to female prisons is asking for trouble," states @@RANDOMNAME@@, your Minister for Solutions, you hand @@HIM@@ today's crossword puzzle and give up trying to complete it before @@HE@@ does. "They might be pretending, they might not. However, you have to keep men and women in different prisons. This isn't about gender identity, this is about preventing pregnancy in prison and managing violence risk. We should build separate wings for these prisoners; to ensure everyone's safety."

[EFFECT] a prison in a small @@DEMONYM@@ city has an expensive new wing to house a single transgender prisoner

[OPTION] "I'm afraid this is evidence of institutionalised transphobia," expresses @@RANDOMNAME@@, your Minister of Equality, as @@HE@@ places the chairs in your office equidistant from each other, taking @@HIS@@ duties too literally. "We need to set up education programs that target the prison and legal systems, to train this transphobia out of them. Only then will transgender people be treated with the respect they deserve."

[EFFECT] the @@CAPITAL@@ Men's Prison Choir's soprano and baritone sections sing together in perfect harmony

[TITLE] Fringe Benefits

[DESCRIPTION] A disproportionate number of male prisoners, four times the national average, are identifying as transgender. Those who deal with the prison system have come to you to discuss the reasons behind this statistic.

[VALIDITY] high civil rights, has prisons, adult

[OPTION] "These jailbirds will try anything to make their time cushier," declares Head Warden @@RANDOMNAME@@, as @@HE@@ flicks your light switch on and off several times. "They are only pretending to be so in order to receive special perks, such as separate cells and showering alone. We ought to take 'gender-identity' off our databases, and only record 'biological sex'. That's the only metric that matters in running efficient and safe prisons."

[EFFECT] not even good behaviour will get transgender inmates any special perks

[OPTION] "Trans prisoners have rights too," asserts Alex @@RANDOMLASTNAME@@, a transgender activist, who after transitioning back and forth a few times, now identifies as an 'alien'. "They absolutely should be believed, and as a matter of fact these permissions don't go far enough. It simply isn't safe for transfemme prisoners to mix with the general male population. When deciding whether to send someone to a male or female correctional institution, we should ensure that all assignments are made according to identified, not assigned, gender."

[EFFECT] the @@CAPITAL@@ Women's Prison singing group now has a baritone section

[OPTION] "Transferring them to female prisons is asking for trouble," states @@RANDOMNAME@@, your Minister for Solutions, you hand @@HIM@@ today's crossword puzzle and give up trying to complete it before @@HE@@ does. "They might be pretending, they might not. However, you have to keep men and women in different prisons. This isn't about gender identity, this is about preventing pregnancy in prison and managing violence risk. We should build separate wings for these prisoners; to ensure everyone's safety."

[EFFECT] a prison in a small @@DEMONYM@@ city has an expensive new wing to house a single transgender prisoner

[OPTION] "I'm afraid this is evidence of institutionalised transphobia," expresses @@RANDOMNAME@@, your Minister of Equality, as @@HE@@ places the chairs in your office equidistant from each other, taking @@HIS@@ duties too literally. "We need to set up education programs that target the prison and legal systems, to train this transphobia out of them. Only then will transgender people be treated with the respect they deserve."

[EFFECT] the harmonious soprano and baritone sections make the @@CAPITAL@@ Men's Prison singing group a must-see experience

[TITLE] Fringe Benefits

[DESCRIPTION] A disproportionate number of male prisoners, four times the national average, are identifying as transgender. Those who deal with the prison system have come to you to discuss the reasons behind this statistic.

[VALIDITY] high civil rights, has prisons, adult

[OPTION] "These jailbirds will try anything to make their time cushier," declares Head Warden @@RANDOMNAME@@, as @@HE@@ flicks your light switch on and off several times. "They are only pretending to be so in order to receive special perks, such as separate cells and showering alone. We ought to take 'gender-identity' off our databases, and only record 'biological sex'. That's the only metric that matters in running efficient and safe prisons."

[EFFECT] not even good behaviour will get transgender inmates any special perks

[OPTION] "Trans prisoners have rights too," asserts Alex @@RANDOMLASTNAME@@, a transgender activist, who currently identifies as 'don't know, don't care'. "They absolutely should be believed, and as a matter of fact these permissions don't go far enough. It simply isn't safe for transfemme prisoners to mix with the general male population. When deciding whether to send someone to a male or female correctional institution, we should ensure that all assignments are made according to identified, not assigned, gender."

[EFFECT] the @@CAPITAL@@ Women's Prison singing group now has a baritone section

[OPTION] "Transferring them to female prisons is asking for trouble," states @@RANDOMNAME@@, your Minister for Solutions, you hand @@HIM@@ today's crossword puzzle and give up trying to complete it before @@HE@@ does. "They might be pretending, they might not. However, you have to keep men and women in different prisons. This isn't about gender identity, this is about preventing pregnancy in prison and managing violence risk. We should build separate wings for these prisoners; to ensure everyone's safety."

[EFFECT] a prison in a small @@DEMONYM@@ city has an expensive new wing to house a single transgender prisoner

[OPTION] "I'm afraid this is evidence of institutionalised transphobia," expresses @@RANDOMNAME@@, your Minister of Equality, as @@HE@@ places the chairs in your office equidistant from each other, taking @@HIS@@ duties too literally. "We need to set up education programs that target the prison and legal systems, to train this transphobia out of them. Only then will transgender people be treated with the respect they deserve."

[EFFECT] the harmonious soprano and baritone sections make the @@CAPITAL@@ Men's Prison singing group a must-see experience

[Chan Island]

Not really seeing why this issue necessarily is just about male to female transition. Surely the female to male transition has the same dilemma here, barring that the percentage risks of sexual assault will be reversed?

Speaking of which, the main objection I have right now are some of those effect lines. The first one is both a bit generic (any issue involving prisons or showers could conceivably end up with such a line) and not to mention perhaps a little risky? With the current cultural shifts, I can see that ageing poorly.

Meanwhile I'm not sure how popular live football matches will be in countries that have banned sports.

[Baggieland]

Not really seeing why this issue necessarily is just about male to female transition. Surely the female to male transition has the same dilemma here, barring that the percentage risks of sexual assault will be reversed?

The reason I only talk of male to female transition, is because of the premise of prisoners trying to fiddle an easier time for themselves. I can't imagine a woman being transferred to a male prison would be "easier".

Speaking of which, the main objection I have right now are some of those effect lines. The first one is both a bit generic (any issue involving prisons or showers could conceivably end up with such a line) and not to mention perhaps a little risky? With the current cultural shifts, I can see that ageing poorly.

Definitely risky, I never thought for a second that effect line would make it into the game. More of a place holder really.

Meanwhile I'm not sure how popular live football matches will be in countries that have banned sports.

Good point, I'll have to add the sports validity, unless I can think of another line!

[Candlewhisper Archive]

[DESCRIPTION] A disproportionate number of male prisoners, four times the national average, are identifying as transgender.

Is this true IRL? Interesting!

Some believe that they are pretending to be so only in order to receive special perks during their incarceration.

I don't think that belongs in the opening, but rather should be solely an opinion expressed by the first option.

Right now, I think the structure is:

Some people believe that prisoners are pretending to be transgender.
1) They're pretending. Be cruel to them.
2) They're not pretending. Put them in women's prisons.
3) They're not pretending. Give them their own wing.

Which is basically:
1 - nutty conservative
2 - nutty liberal
3 - reasonable liberal

I think, personally, the premise would be stronger one step back.

A study has show that a disproportionate number of male prisoners, four times the national average, are identifying as transgender.
1) They might be pretending, they might not. But you have to keep biological men in one prison, and biological women in another -- this isn't about gender identity, this is about preventing pregnancy in prison, managing violence risk, and managing behaviour.
2) No-one is suggesting that. Give them their own prison unit / wing.
3) Hang on, isn't this evidence of institutionalised transphobia? Maybe we should be targeting the police and the legal system, to train this transphobia out of them.

In other words:

1 - reasonable conservative
2 - reasonable liberal
3 - change the subject liberal

[Australian rePublic]

I first read the title as "fridge benefits". This works too.

The effect for option 2 assumes that women don't like football. That's a stupid assumption. Both women in my household are both a shit tonne more interested in football than I am. And by shit tonne, I mean a real shit tonne

[Baggieland]

The effect for option 2 assumes that women don't like football. That's a stupid assumption. Both women in my household are both a shit tonne more interested in football than I am. And by shit tonne, I mean a real shit tonne

Fair point. I will definitely have to change that line now.

Is this true IRL? Interesting!

I read it on RT news, so make up your own mind whether it's real or not! The report said it was happening in British jails too.

Which is basically:
1 - nutty conservative
2 - nutty liberal
3 - reasonable liberal

I won't argue with that.

In other words:

1 - reasonable conservative
2 - reasonable liberal
3 - change the subject liberal

Possibly.

I quite like the issue as it is now, but your suggestions have merit. I might try putting them all in, so it becomes a 5 option issue. Let me work on it over the coming days and see how it turns out.

[Baggieland]

2) No-one is suggesting that. Give them their own prison unit / wing.
3) Hang on, isn't this evidence of institutionalised transphobia? Maybe we should be targeting the police and the legal system, to train this transphobia out of them.

2 - reasonable liberal
3 - change the subject liberal

No problems with the above.

1) They might be pretending, they might not. But you have to keep biological men in one prison, and biological women in another -- this isn't about gender identity, this is about preventing pregnancy in prison, managing violence risk, and managing behaviour.

1 - reasonable conservative

The problem I found with this, was that the speaker wasn't suggesting anything new, the status quo from the premise remained. In other words, the dismiss button.

However, I did incorporate some of the above suggestion into the options. Problem is, I'm still short of a 'reasonable conservative' option. Any suggestions, anyone?

2nd draft is up.

[Candlewhisper Archive]

My suggestion for a reasonable conservative position was:

They might be pretending, they might not. But you have to keep biological men in one prison, and biological women in another -- this isn't about gender identity, this is about preventing pregnancy in prison, managing violence risk, and managing behaviour.

So something like:

"Frankly, it's not relevant to running a prison what gender identity prisoners claim to have," declares Head Warden @@RANDOMNAME@@, as @@HE@@ flicks your light switch on and off several times. "The reasons for our policies are to prevent pregnancy in prison, to manage violence risk, and to reduce sexual tension in prisons. That means biological sex is all that matters here -- a sex offender doesn't care if his cellmate identifies as a man, he just sees a female body, and that's where the risk lies. We ought to take 'gender' off our databases, and only record 'biological sex'. That's the only metric that matters for running an efficient and safe prison."

[Chan Island]

This draft is looking much better! Enjoying the baritone section idea.

I feel like that last option should be more accusatory, in a "why are we locking up so many transgender people, huh?!" kind of way, but that's just a feeling.

[Baggieland]

I feel like that last option should be more accusatory, in a "why are we locking up so many transgender people, huh?!" kind of way, but that's just a feeling.

I thought about that, but it kind of goes against the premise of people already in prison.

Right, 3rd draft is up!

[Baggieland]

2nd page bump. Any more comments on this one?

[Hediacrana]

I know that issues do not have to be realistic, that they may be irreverent, controversial and poke fun at people, but I think it is relevant to bear in mind that the reality that this draft makes reference to really is a very grim one. I believe it was FJS who once wrote in this forum about how rape is an inherently unfunny topic, so would be tricky to make into a good issue, and I would say this one qualifies for the same reasons.

One of the main reasons trans prisoners try to get out of the prisons associated with their 'biological sex' is because they face extreme rates of physical and sexual abuse, to the point of death; this is pretty well-documented. According to the US Deparment of Justice, trans people are thirteen times more likely to experience sexual assault, make up almost 60 percent of assault cases in prisons, and are most likely to undergo repeated trauma.

That trans people end up being incarcerated at higher rates than the general population is related to higher levels of school bullying, poverty, the loss of family support, and inability to find gainful employment and housing; this, again, is well-documented (see the same source as above). To instead chalk their over-representation up to them wanting 'perks' seems, especially in the light of the kinds of abuse I just mentioned, wrong.

In this draft, all of this is primarily framed as a case of people identifying as trans to score perks, the counterweight to that story being done in a very brief and vague phrase by a speaker whose goofiness is marked by him identifying as 'whatever', and who in the same breath continues to associate trans women with danger to cis female prisoners. All of this puts a specific slant on the issue where RL data points to a very different picture.

I hope that me posting this won't be understood as a case of a trans person being overly sensitive; I am well-aware that issues don't have to be even-handed depictions of reality, and can contain controversial humor. But overall, this reads like a case of punching down that I would prefer not to see in this game.

[Candlewhisper Archive]

That trans people end up being incarcerated at higher rates than the general population is related to higher levels of school bullying, poverty, the loss of family support, and inability to find gainful employment and housing; this, again, is well-documented (see the same source as above). To instead chalk their over-representation up to them wanting 'perks' seems, especially in the light of the kinds of abuse I just mentioned, wrong.

Right, this is what I was referring to with institutionalised transphobia needing to be part of the issue -- I wasn't just suggesting prisons were transphobic. but rather there's a strong societal tendency to marginalise trans people, and to interpret their actions as being criminal.

I definitely think this is a good issue though -- I'd suggest a longer drafting period to get more voices involved, especially from transgender players.

[Baggieland]

Thanks for your input Hediacrana. Whilst this is a satirical game and pokes fun at most of life, it is never anyone's intention to insult any particular group. Candle's comments show how this issue is trying to reflect what is happening in some parts of society. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, this issue was based on a RL news report, although it was RT News, so make of that what you will.

I'd suggest a longer drafting period to get more voices involved, especially from transgender players.

Definitely.

[Hediacrana]

Thank you both, I appreciate it.

I'll think about ways to improve this issue, and also ask other trans players whether they are willing to weigh in.

[Mettaton-EX]

why does a transgender activist refer to trans women as "male transgender"?

[Mettaton-EX]

here's how i would modify that option:

[OPTION] "Trans prisoners have rights too," asserts @@RANDOMNAME@@, a transgender activist, who currently identifies as 'whatever'. "They absolutely should be believed, and as a matter of fact these permissions don't go far enough. It simply isn't safe for transfemme prisoners to mix with the general male population - the best way would be to make all prison assignments according to identified, not assigned, gender. We already have provisions for prisoners who pose a direct danger to others."

[Baggieland]

I'll think about ways to improve this issue, and also ask other trans players whether they are willing to weigh in.

Appreciated.

Trans prisoners have rights too," asserts @@RANDOMNAME@@, a transgender activist, who currently identifies as 'whatever'. "They absolutely should be believed, and as a matter of fact these permissions don't go far enough. It simply isn't safe for transfemme prisoners to mix with the general male population - the best way would be to make all prison assignments according to identified, not assigned, gender. We already have provisions for prisoners who pose a direct danger to others

Thanks a lot Mettaton. All correct terminology has been entered in, which makes for a better option, as an activist would use that terminology. I just rephrased the last part a bit, that just reflects more on my writing style, how I like to present issues, it's still saying exactly the same thing. I took out the 'provisions for prisoners who pose a danger' part, because I think that is for the player to consider the consequences of choosing this option, as is the case with most options in any issue. These prisoners will pose a threat to female inmates if they are pretending, they won't pose a threat if they aren't pretending. It's up to the player to consider the '4 times the national average' statistic in the opening.

Can I ask for your help with the effect lines?
effect 1: I'm not keen on.
effect 2: I think is good.
effect 3: I'm not keen on.
effect 4: is okayish.

Also, the 'currently identifies as whatever' could use some help too.

But remember, they need to be funny!

4th draft is up!

[Mettaton-EX]

I'll think about ways to improve this issue, and also ask other trans players whether they are willing to weigh in.

Appreciated.

Trans prisoners have rights too," asserts @@RANDOMNAME@@, a transgender activist, who currently identifies as 'whatever'. "They absolutely should be believed, and as a matter of fact these permissions don't go far enough. It simply isn't safe for transfemme prisoners to mix with the general male population - the best way would be to make all prison assignments according to identified, not assigned, gender. We already have provisions for prisoners who pose a direct danger to others

Thanks a lot Mettaton. All correct terminology has been entered in, which makes for a better option, as an activist would use that terminology. I just rephrased the last part a bit, that just reflects more on my writing style, how I like to present issues, it's still saying exactly the same thing. I took out the 'provisions for prisoners who pose a danger' part, because I think that is for the player to consider the consequences of choosing this option, as is the case with most options in any issue. These prisoners will pose a threat to female inmates if they are pretending, they won't pose a threat if they aren't pretending. It's up to the player to consider the '4 times the national average' statistic in the opening.

Can I ask for your help with the effect lines?
effect 1: I'm not keen on.
effect 2: I think is good.
effect 3: I'm not keen on.
effect 4: is okayish.

i don't really hate any of them, they're light-hearted exaggerations like most effect lines. it'd seem a bit off-tone to have effect 1 be "violence against transgender prisoners is through the roof" or whatever. some off-the-cuff (uehehhehe) ideas:
- 3 doesn't really make sense considering separate prison wings have separate toilets. you could do something like "a prison in the rural South @@ANIMAL@@ region is building an expensive new extension to house a single transgender prisoner"
- you could give 4 a version of the current 2 effect, along the lines of "the soprano and baritone sections of the @@CAPITAL@@ Women's Prison Choir sing together in perfect harmony"

Also, the 'currently identifies as whatever' could use some help too.

obviously i'm not the only trans person on the forum, but i like "identifies as whatever". i sometimes (like in polls with a free text box) identify my gender as "don't know, don't care"

[Hediacrana]

To me, it would be a great improvement if in the introduction, perhaps even in the first sentence together with the other statistic, you could explicitly (even if briefly) indicate that trans prisoners face much higher rates of assault than the general prison population.

Just to illustrate how this plays out IRL, let me quote from that US Department of Justice report I cited above:

Other data illustrate that transgender women and girls are highly vulnerable to sexual abuse, especially when housed in facilities for men or boys.56 The University of California’s Center for Evidence-Based Corrections found that “[s]exual assault is 13 times more prevalent among transgender inmates, with 59 percent reporting being sexually assaulted.”57 In this study, transgender victims were also far more likely than other victims to have been sexually assaulted on multiple occasions.58 Such findings make clear that “[e]ven when compared to other relatively vulnerable populations, transgender people are perilously situated.”59 Because of this concern, the American Psychological Association and the National Commission on Correctional Health Care have both issued statements recognizing that transgender inmates are at especially high risk of abuse and calling for their protection.

IRL, these rates of sexual assault fuel much of the urgency for trans women to get out of male prisons in the first place. I'd love for the introduction to this issue to reflect that -- if safety is merely one of the points mentioned by the second speaker, it's like an afterthought that is much more easy to dismiss, because NS players are used to take what the speakers have to say with a grain of salt.

[Baggieland]

i don't really hate any of them, they're light-hearted exaggerations like most effect lines. it'd seem a bit off-tone to have effect 1 be "violence against transgender prisoners is through the roof" or whatever. some off-the-cuff (uehehhehe) ideas:
- 3 doesn't really make sense considering separate prison wings have separate toilets. you could do something like "a prison in the rural South @@ANIMAL@@ region is building an expensive new extension to house a single transgender prisoner"
- you could give 4 a version of the current 2 effect, along the lines of "the soprano and baritone sections of the @@CAPITAL@@ Women's Prison Choir sing together in perfect harmony"

Thanks, ideas incorporated.

obviously i'm not the only trans person on the forum, but i like "identifies as whatever". i sometimes (like in polls with a free text box) identify my gender as "don't know, don't care"

Okay, it can stay for now, but the reason I'm not keen on it, is that it's a bit cliche. Is there anything this person could do / hold / say, that would be funnier?

To me, it would be a great improvement if in the introduction, perhaps even in the first sentence together with the other statistic, you could explicitly (even if briefly) indicate that trans prisoners face much higher rates of assault than the general prison population.

I've had a thought about this, and I don't think I want to incorporate it. The reason is that this issue is for nations that already have high civil rights and if you read the 1st option, it states that separate cells and showering alone is already allowed. So the state is already trying to protect trans prisoners. Only option 1 reverses these protections, the other three offer alternate ways of increasing protection.

If you like Hediacrana, you could write an issue for nations with low civil rights, that highlights abuse in prisons. Then, possibly, this issue could chain onto that.

5th draft is up.

[Baggieland]

I've changed option 1's effect line and I've gone back on option 4's effect line to include the baritone and soprano sections being in harmony, as I think that reflects the spirit of option 4 better.

I've also changed the 'identifies as whatever' line. I remembered a news article a while ago about some person from England, who was born female, felt that wasn't right, transitioned to male, then felt that wasn't right either, then decided that they most identified as an alien. I believe this story made it into the media as this person was quite an internet celebrity and had a sizeable online following, who echoed the call for this person to be allowed to be an alien.

6th draft is up!

[Candlewhisper Archive]

Re: this...

[OPTION] "Trans prisoners have rights too," asserts @@RANDOMNAME@@, a transgender activist, who after transitioning back and forth a few times, now identifies as an 'alien'. "They absolutely should be believed, and as a matter of fact these permissions don't go far enough. It simply isn't safe for transfemme prisoners to mix with the general male population. When deciding whether to send someone to a male or female correctional institution, we should ensure that all assignments are made according to identified, not assigned, gender."

...maybe fix the name as Alvin Nebula (to reference Alvin Stardust and Jareth Nebula), change the description to "an agender activist", and switch the "trans prisoners" to "gender fluid prisoners". Perhaps also zhe should also say "send someone to a male, female or non-binary correctional institution".

[Baggieland]

maybe fix the name as Alvin Nebula (to reference Alvin Stardust and Jareth Nebula), change the description to "an agender activist", and switch the "trans prisoners" to "gender fluid prisoners". Perhaps also zhe should also say "send someone to a male, female or non-binary correctional institution".

I'm going to say no to this, because I think it goes too far from the opening premise. As I mentioned earlier, there's another possible issue for nations with low civil rights and the abuse transgender prisoners face. I think your suggestions are also another possible issue for nations with extremely high civil rights, that already give all the protections mentioned in this issue to trans prisoners and are now debating whether to extend those protections to agender / non-binary / everyone else prisoners.

I've made some slight adjustments: I've reworded effect lines 1 and 4, but they still say pretty much the same thing. I've given the speaker in option 2 the gender neutral first name of 'Alex'. I've changed 'choir' to 'singing group' for non-christian nations.

7th draft is up!

[Thepeopl]

Can you make an option: since transppl are more criminally inclined, total ban on trans?

And also an option: make all prisons mixed.