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Postby Vestralia (Ancient) » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:32 pm

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hey! I reserve my right to be a blustering blowhard, because being an asshole ain't a crime, biatch.

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I respect your sense of humor, good sir. :lol2:


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Postby Cu Math » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:32 pm

Soviet Canuckistan wrote:
Vaklor wrote:the pope seems to

That's one man, doesn't really represent all of us.

Yet you quoted him as an authority, and he has declared things off the top of his head that became christian teachings!
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Postby Mortelatuzia » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:32 pm

Well, I guess I predicted this. Neutral time.
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Postby Andropoland » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:33 pm

Greater Tezdrian wrote:
Condunum wrote:For (smart) reasons that have been explained one too many times.

The reasons are bullshit.

I would also like to point out that Jesus never claimed to be "the son of god", and it is entirely likely that the bible was metaphorically speaking. Jesus's divinity was actually only decided over 300 years after his death at the council of Nicaea in Turkey.
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Postby Soviet Canuckistan » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:34 pm

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Soviet Canuckistan wrote:I am, doesn't mean I like him, if you're part of nation, it doesn't mean you love your head of state.

didnt say anyone liked him, stop making assumptions

There are different factions in the Catholic church.
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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:34 pm

Time for bed. Have fun you guys.
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Postby Vestralia (Ancient) » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:34 pm

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Greater Tezdrian wrote:Yes, because the Catholic Church wholeheartedly supports molestation as an article of faith. :roll: :roll:

the pope seems to


Source? Has there been a papal bull or some other church action that I was unaware of? If so, I'm off to have myself stricken from church record and convert to Orthodoxy.

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Postby Greater Tezdrian » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:34 pm

Condunum wrote:
Greater Tezdrian wrote:The reasons are bullshit.

And why is that?

The reason that it was moved to December to placate the Romans instead of Satvrnalia?
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Postby Andropoland » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:34 pm

Mavorpen wrote:Time for bed. Have fun you guys.

G' nite ;)
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Postby Vaklor » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:34 pm

Soviet Canuckistan wrote:
Vaklor wrote:didnt say anyone liked him, stop making assumptions

There are different factions in the Catholic church.

that has nothing to do with anything, again you are dodging what was posted
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Postby Greater Tezdrian » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:35 pm

Cu Math wrote:
Soviet Canuckistan wrote:That's one man, doesn't really represent all of us.

Yet you quoted him as an authority, and he has declared things off the top of his head that became christian teachings!

Source.
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Postby Condunum » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:35 pm

Greater Tezdrian wrote:
Condunum wrote:And why is that?

The reason that it was moved to December to placate the Romans instead of Satvrnalia?

Yes, that would be the one I'm referencing. Not just the Romans, but all cultures with a holiday for the solstice. Even if it was a bullshit move, it's a pretty brilliant move on their part.
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Postby Soviet Canuckistan » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:36 pm

Vaklor wrote:
Soviet Canuckistan wrote:There are different factions in the Catholic church.

that has nothing to do with anything, again you are dodging what was posted

On an international level he does but on an internal level he doesn't, does a Democrat president represent a Republican's ideals?
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Postby Soviet Canuckistan » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:36 pm

Vaklor wrote:
Soviet Canuckistan wrote:There are different factions in the Catholic church.

that has nothing to do with anything, again you are dodging what was posted

I was planning to change it
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Postby Vaklor » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:37 pm

Soviet Canuckistan wrote:
Vaklor wrote:that has nothing to do with anything, again you are dodging what was posted

On an international level he does but on an internal level he doesn't, does a Democrat president represent a Republican's ideals?

are you just pulling random shit out of your ass cause it seems like you are
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Postby Soviet Canuckistan » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:37 pm

Vaklor wrote:
Soviet Canuckistan wrote:On an international level he does but on an internal level he doesn't, does a Democrat president represent a Republican's ideals?

are you just pulling random shit out of your ass cause it seems like you are

My hands aren't covered in faces so no and good night all, I'll be back :)
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Postby Renascibilitas » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:38 pm

Soviet Canuckistan wrote:
Vaklor wrote:are you just pulling random shit out of your ass cause it seems like you are

My hands aren't covered in faces so no and good night all, I'll be back :)


I was hoping your hands weren't where your face should be.

Oh, you meant feces.
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Postby Vaklor » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:38 pm

Soviet Canuckistan wrote:
Vaklor wrote:are you just pulling random shit out of your ass cause it seems like you are

My hands aren't covered in faces so no and good night all, I'll be back :)

it would be scary if your hands were covered with human faces. how would you manage that?
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Postby Greater Tezdrian » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:39 pm

Condunum wrote:
Greater Tezdrian wrote:The reason that it was moved to December to placate the Romans instead of Satvrnalia?

Yes, that would be the one I'm referencing. Not just the Romans, but all cultures with a holiday for the solstice. Even if it was a bullshit move, it's a pretty brilliant move on their part.

Because Saturnalia ends before Christmas, Christmas has very few Saturnalian trappings, edicts to stop celebrations of Saturnalia, Brumalia, the Kalends, persisted well into the Christian age, etc.
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Postby Lahuland » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:39 pm

Any Christian terrorist will kill you who abuses Jesus and Christianity? Do you dare to abuse Islam like you abuse Christianity? I don't think so.
I'm an atheist. But, I'm not interested to abuse it like you do.

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Postby Shofercia » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:39 pm

Heirosoloa wrote:
Shofercia wrote:-snip-



Aaand we have a new punching bag!
Thank god. SC was getting old.


Ohhhh. I've been called a punching bag. Alright! Another NSG name-calling addition to my list of titles! I am now a Liberal-Communist-Conservative-Nationalist-Interventionist-Isolationist-meany-punching bag! Yeehaaa!


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Shofercia wrote:
Militant atheists fail to make that distinction, when it comes to religious issues.

This is the only thing I will comment on from what you said, because I really couldn't be bothered to read everything at this hour. What he said is blatantly wrong. It is, in fact, joking. Joking is a form of comedy. If it was intended as a joke, it was a joke.


It was a joke mocking religion. And while freedom of speech allows those jokes, the ones who make them should be prepared for sarcastic comments. Hey, I'm just being sarcastic, and sarcasm can also be a form of humor, see the Colbert Report for further elaboration :D


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Religion is based on Faith. Soviet Canuckistan is pointing that out, by requiring atheists to show proof. How does that make him a hypocrite?

Because I asked him to show proof of his claims which he refused to do so, then he turns around and demands proof of someone else.
So I called him a hypocrite.


I think he was being sarcastic, in response to your "proof or GTFO" comments. Honestly - is there a point to those type of comments? Cause to me it all looks like "tits or GTFO", or in the case you're male, "balls or GTFO". We know that it's impossible to show how religion works without Faith, just as it's impossible to post tits on NSG without getting a warning. Also "proof of GTFO" sounds a tad harsh. Nothing personal, I just think those type of comments are a tad silly.


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The original commandment, in the original writings, said: thou shalt not murder. It was later mistranslated as "thou shalt not kill". The translators, they have the capability to make errors, you know that, right?

I never said "Thou shalt not kill" was the right translation.

Shofercia wrote:Religion is based on Faith. Soviet Canuckistan is pointing that out, by requiring atheists to show proof. How does that make him a hypocrite?

You can't prove God. You can't disprove God. Religion is Faith based. Math is number based. History is story based. You don't demand Integral Calculus to be used by Civil War Scholars in filming documentaries, do you? Then why demand that something that's Faith based, be factually proven?


Because everything must be supported by evidence. If someone tells you that your significant other is cheating on you, you demand proof. What if your friend says, "Nah, you just gotta have faith, that's what friends are for!" Or how about if you tell someone that water is H20 and they tell you that that's not how they think about water. Or how about a homicidal maniac who has hallucinations? You gonna let him roam free because it's his faith? Religion doesn't get a "get out of jail free" card for skepticism. Stop covering up the fact you have no evidence.


After I get married, I would have Faith that my significant other wouldn't cheat on me, so I wouldn't demand proof. Not everyone adheres to the we needz proof 24/7 logic.


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Shofercia wrote:Define Western Culture, without being overbroad. Oh wait...

Any culture deriving a significant part of it's legal and philosophical ideas either from Classical Rome or from the Enlightenment.


So according to that definition, both English and French cultures are Western Cultures, right? So then, English Culture = French Culture?


Andropoland wrote:
Norstal wrote:When it's about god, you need to prove that he doesn't exist.

When it comes to leprechauns, I don't need to prove that they don't exist.

I always bring that up when religion issues arise. A man who believes ghosts or zombies exist is called crazy. A person who believes that their is a being (or non-being) in the heavens who created the universe and influences everything we do are called Theists.
Why not crazy?


Actually, a man who believes that ghosts and zombies can exist, in an alternate universe, isn't crazy. If one believes that the World is infinite, which is a reasonable belief, then one can reasonably believe that ghosts and zombies exist out there, somewhere. Modern society calls people crazy if they believe that ghosts exist on Earth, i.e. on this planet, at this time. Then again, modern society also listens to Rebecca Black.

God, unlike zombies, isn't limited to this planet. God is Universal. There's nothing wrong with believing in God, and there's nothing crazy about it.

Which man sounds more insane, A, B or C?

A believes that zombies are on his tail, about to kill him.
B believes that zombies are harmless creatures, roaming Earth.
C believes that zombies do not exist on Earth, but might exist elsewhere.

All of them live in the same place, let's say in Switzerland.

Which one is more reasonable, if you had to pick? Odds are, that you'd pick A. Why? the all believe that zombies might exist, why pick A? Well, that's because you have facts to actually disprove A's claim, whereas you lack facts to disprove C's claim.
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Postby Vestralia (Ancient) » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:39 pm

Soviet Canuckistan wrote:
Vaklor wrote:are you just pulling random shit out of your ass cause it seems like you are

My hands aren't covered in faces so no and good night all, I'll be back :)


I certainly hope there are no faces on your hands. You meant feces.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:40 pm

Shofercia wrote:So according to that definition, both English and French cultures are Western Cultures, right? So then, English Culture = French Culture?

Why are they equivalent?

Western Culture is like a language family. French and Spanish are both Romance languages, but French /=/ Spanish.
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Postby Hossaim » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:40 pm

Ill jump on the bed train. Maybe this thread will heat back up tomorrow with some new faces, but for now lets let the moderators clean up whatever may have spilled tonight and be ready for a fresh attempt tomorrow.
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Postby Vaklor » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:41 pm

Hossaim wrote:Ill jump on the bed train. Maybe this thread will heat back up tomorrow with some new faces, but for now lets let the moderators clean up whatever may have spilled tonight and be ready for a fresh attempt tomorrow.

if only all the radioactive stuff that spilled in this thread could give me superpowers
its been 2 and a half hours and 27 pages XD
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Communism is this. "Hurrah, free money for everyone!" *five minutes later* "Oh, we're a totalitarian, omnipresent, money-wasting morally depraved dictatorship-bureaucracy? Deal with it. Pay taxes like a good comrade."

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