International Basketball Championships IX (Signups Closed)

[Legokiller]

The Legokiller National Basketball team is in!

OOC: Can any of our leaders come in and watch the game in the Stadiums during the games?

[Soviet Canuckistan]

We would like to field a team at this championship.

[Qazox]

Qazox, as defending runners-up; will come back to try to take that one more step.

[Sibirsky]

We're in.

[95X]

95X!

[Western cuba]

Western Cuba will like to sign up.

[Altimarus]

₂₀Altimarus signs up!

Puppet of Carasatoga.

[Carasatoga]

₂₀Altimarus signs up!

Puppet of Carasatoga.

Confirming.

[Cosumar]

In!

[Cakistan]

Cakistan will sign up for this edition of International Basketball Championships.

[Delaclava]

Delaclava signs up.

[Mangolana]

Western Cuba and Mangolana IBC 9 Bid

Basketball in Western Cuba

Basketball is widely played in Western Cuba, but not on a large scale. While basketball court's are located in parks and recreation centers around the country and several minor leagues are set up across the country there is no official major league. The Western Cuban Sports Association aka the WCSA hopes that by hosting the International Championships along with Mangolana we'll be able to promote the growth of basketball in Western Cuba and the possible formation of a league in Western Cuba.

Basketball in Mangolana

Mangolana burst on to the world basketball scene last year when a young and still strong Mangolana basketball team shocked the world to finish top in there group, and finish sixth place in the tournamnet overall. Mangolana naow has the rank of 9th best in the world, and will be looking to hold this position if not climb to the best in the world. Since then though, basketball in Mangolana has expierienced a strong push in people of all ages. Children now play BasketBall as commonly as soccer at schools. Adults watch basketball games at bars. The elderly fight over who was the best player of all time. Mangolana has expierienced a strong basketball shock, which makes it the perfect place to have a world basketball championships and promote the sport of basketball.

Format

If possible Western Cuba and Mangolana hope to use a Championship format of 32 teams or any number divisible by 8. In which 32 teams are used, eight groups of 4 teams each will be formed. Each team will play each team in there group 3 teams creating a total of 9 group stage games.If we have 5 teams per group or more, it will be a double round robin group stage. The top two teams in each group will advance to the knockout rounds. The Round of 16 will be an elimination round. The Quarterfinals will have loser of game A play the loser of game D, while the loser of game B will play the loser of game C and vice-versa for quarterfinal winners. The loser of game A-D and game B-C will play for seventh place, the winners for first place. The Semi-Finals are a three-game series. The Finals a Five-Game series. The third place match, fifth place match, and seventh place match will be played, but will only consist of a single game which will be played on the first match day of the finals.

Scorinator

Both Mangolana and Western Cuba have agreed that the newest version of Xkorinate will be used for this competition as it is the best a really only choice for a basketball simulator. Mangolana will scorinate his games between 8 and 9pm EST. I will scorinate groups 2,4,6, and 8, which may be renamed later. Western Cuba will scorinate groups 1,3,5 and 7 around 7pm EST.

Expierience

Mangolana which has some good experience in hosting tournaments in NS has currently hosted the World Lacrosse Championship XI hosted with Xkorinate, Market Cup, Market Cup II, Soccer for Hope, Beach Cup 4 hosted with NSFS 3, World Indoor Soccer Championships and has co-hosted the Baptism of 44 with Xkorinate, in which I experienced computer problems and had to pull out 3/4 thru the group stage. This will be one of the feature tournaments for Mangolana hosting history.

Western Cuba which has never hosted anything, will be attempting to make its hosting debut with this co-host bid. This will be a big step in the history of Western Cuba and will deeply help them gain some good experiences.

Stadium

Every game in the International Championship's for a double round robin group schedule will take place in a Mangolana/Western Cuba location. For triple round robin schedule, only the final group stage game will take place in the host countries, while the first two will take place in that countries home arena. A total of eight stadiums will be used which are listed for the following. Four of the stadium's are Western Cuban and the other four Mangolanan.

Group 1-Guevera Center, Havana City, Western Cuba (Capacity-20,000)
Group 2- Smith Court at Denton Stadium, Mascona, Mangolana (Capacity- 22,000)
Group 3-Go! Energy Center, Southern Havana, Western Cuba (Capacity- 18,000)
Group 4- Narcana Times Forum, Narcana, Mangolana (Capacity- 16,000)
Group 5- Jose's Cuisine Arena, Trinidad, Western Cuba (Capacity- 19,000)
Group 6- Cruze Enterprise stadium, Arlnet, Mangolana (Capacity- 14,500)
Group 7- Guzman Motors Center, Ovalle, Western Cuba (17,000)
Group 8- Crosstown Court, Mangolana City, Mangolana (12,000)

Round of 16:
Guevera Center
Crosstown Court
Narcana Times Forum
Go! Energy Center

Semi Finals
Guevera Center
Cruze Enterprise Stadium

Finals
Smith Court at Denton Stadium

Third Place Game

Guevera Center

[Civil Citizenry]

Western Cuba and Mangolana IBC 9 Bid

Why have you decided to co-host together? The IBC doesn't seem large enough to require two nations to handle the workload.

How can we be sure that Mangolana will not become unavailable for several days in the middle of the tournament, as he did during the most recent Baptism of Fire? And how can we be sure that Western Cuba, who has never hosted anything before, will be able to continue the tournament smoothly if his partner goes absent? What modes will you two take to ensure that in the case of one host becoming unable to continue, the tournament can still be completed?

In which 32 teams are used, eight groups of 4 teams each will be formed. Each team will play each team in there group 3 teams creating a total of 9 group stage games.

Why a triple round-robin?

Every game in the International Championship's will take place in a Mangolana/Western Cuba location. That includes the group stage.

Why is the entire group stage being played in the host nations? For my World Lacrosse Championships, I had a triple round-robin where the final leg was hosted in my own nation, while the other two were home-and-away-style. Even the Beach Cup I hosted a while back had the entire group stage played in Civil Citizenry (as is precedent with that competition). But I would never have suggested an entire group stage in the host nation for a tournament this large. Getting to play at home, or going on the road to a rival's stadium, is a factor that very often works its way into RPs - especially in basketball, where having home advantage is a huge deal. I know I'm not alone on this (looking at Sarzonia, haha) - I wouldn't vote for any bid that suggests the entire group stage be played in the host nations.

Now, if you're going to implement a three-legged group stage with one being in the host nations, that's a little more reasonable. But that's not what you've specified.

The Round of 16, and the Quarterfinals are single games, once you lose your out.

Why are you departing from precedent where the early playoff rounds, as well as the semifinals, are best-of-three?

[Megadia]

Megadia will compete

[Mangolana]

Why have you decided to co-host together? The IBC doesn't seem large enough to require two nations to handle the workload.

We have decided to co-host this tournament for one reason. We both do not feel that we can handle this tournament alone. Western Cuba is just trying to get there hosting career started and I feel like I can help him with that here and now.

How can we be sure that Mangolana will not become unavailable for several days in the middle of the tournament, as he did during the most recent Baptism of Fire? And how can we be sure that Western Cuba, who has never hosted anything before, will be able to continue the tournament smoothly if his partner goes absent? What modes will you two take to ensure that in the case of one host becoming unable to continue, the tournament can still be completed?

During the BoF my computer suffered a catostrophic failure (it died). If it had not I can promise you that I would have finished that tournament with Qazox. There is a less than a percentage chance that I will go missing ever again. I and Western Cuba will take the necessary actions though in case something does happen even if that does meen relinquishing the hosting responsibilities to someone that can handle it though that is the last ditch effort to salvage the tournament.

Why a triple round-robin?

That is my fault, if there are 32 teams then We will have a triple round robin to get to 9 games in the group stage. If there are more teams per group like 5, then it will be a double round robin for the group stage, to give us 8 group stage games.

Why is the entire group stage being played in the host nations?

Once again my fault, if there are double round robin group stage then all the group stage games will be played in host countries. If triple round robin, it will be home and home with the third game being played in the host countries.

Why are you departing from precedent where the early playoff rounds, as well as the semifinals, are best-of-three?

You are right, and I will make it so that the losers in the round of 16 will be eliminated. Losers in the quarterfinals will go on to play two more games, in which I will edit into the bid. But we will have eight places specified.

[Civil Citizenry]

I and Western Cuba will take the necessary actions though in case something does happen even if that does meen relinquishing the hosting responsibilities to someone that can handle it though that is the last ditch effort to salvage the tournament.

And what are these "necessary actions"? I seem to remember having quite a few organizational hiccups in the World Lacrosse Championships you co-hosted. How will you avoid them if a problem does arise?

Why are you departing from precedent where the early playoff rounds, as well as the semifinals, are best-of-three?

You are right, and I will make it so that the losers in the round of 16 will be eliminated. Losers in the quarterfinals will go on to play two more games, in which I will edit into the bid. But we will have eight places specified.[/quote]

That's not what I meant at all. In the past, the round of sixteen, the quarterfinals, and the semifinals have all been best-of-three series, meaning a team needs to win two games out of a possible three to advance. Why are you not following the same procedure?

A consolation bracket to determine fifth through eighth is fine, though in the past IBC consolations have involved ranking the top sixteen playoff competitors. Indeed, Delaclava even went above and beyond in IBC VII (and pardon me if this was done prior to him) by having a Best of the Rest tournament for all the teams that did not reach the playoffs. Anyway, why a consolation bracket for only the quarterfinal losers?

And a further, unrelated question: who will scorinate what groups and when? The WLC Mangolana co-hosted with Allamunnic States saw the two hosts scorinate all the groups on different days (and not alternately, which got very confusing); because they did not send their files to each other, there were no full tables available until they were compiled after the final day of the group stage. So Mangolana and Western Cuba, what is your solution to prevent a logistical nightmare like that from happening again?

[Carasatoga]

Why did no one criticize my bid? I kind of want to answer these questions too.

Our Ro16 will only be a single game, where the losers go into the first round of the "best-of-the-rest" tournament. The Quarterfinals will be best of 3 with the losers qualifying for the second round of the BotR tournament. Each of the BotR games will be 1 match, except the finals which will be best of 3. There will also be a consolation game for the BotR tournament which will decide the 7th and 8th place teams. The BotR tournament will be held in Olympic Stadium and Tide Stadium. The semifinals will also be best of 3, with the losing playing in a consolation game for third, which will be best of 3, and the finals will be best of 5.

The Best-of-the-Rest Tournament will look like this:

Loser 1/16
                Winner of 1/16-8/9
                                               Winner
                Loser of 1/4 Game 1
Loser 8/9
                                                            Winner
Loser 4/13
                Winner of 4/13-5/12
                                                Winner
                Loser of  1/4 Game 2
Loser 5/12
                                                                       BotR Champion (5th Place)
Loser 2/15
                Winner of 2/5-7/10
                                               Winner
                Loser of 1/4 Game 3
Loser 7/10
                                                           Winner
Loser 3/14
                Winner of 3/16-6/11
                                                Winner
                Loser of 1/4 Game 4
Loser 6/11

[Ipeland]

Ipeland will join in

[Mangolana]

And what are these "necessary actions"? I seem to remember having quite a few organizational hiccups in the World Lacrosse Championships you co-hosted. How will you avoid them if a problem does arise?

these actions include giving full rain of the tournament to Western Cuba, recruiting a third-party player to scorinate matches in which are nations take part if the co-host is unavailable. We will do any actions that are thought of, or suggested by other users to make this tournament a very smoothly run tournament and one of the best.

That's not what I meant at all. In the past, the round of sixteen, the quarterfinals, and the semifinals have all been best-of-three series, meaning a team needs to win two games out of a possible three to advance. Why are you not following the same procedure?

We feel that placing teams up to the eighth position and not the 16th position is good for a tournament this size.

Delaclava even went above and beyond in IBC VII (and pardon me if this was done prior to him) by having a Best of the Rest tournament for all the teams that did not reach the playoffs

you are right that this is quite a spectacle.

who will scorinate what groups and when?

Mangolana will scorinate his games between 8 and 9pm EST. I will scorinate groups 2,4,6, and 8, which may be renamed later. Western Cuba will scorinate groups 1,3,5 and 7. Currently contacting him now for his times.Edit: around 7pm

The WLC Mangolana co-hosted with Allamunnic States saw the two hosts scorinate all the groups on different days (and not alternately, which got very confusing); because they did not send their files to each other, there were no full tables available until they were compiled after the final day of the group stage. So Mangolana and Western Cuba, what is your solution to prevent a logistical nightmare like that from happening again?

We will be scorinating our respective groups every match day. There will be no need to send each other info until the knockout rounds of this tournament. This will make it so there are no logistical errors this time around.

[Darmen]

The WLC Mangolana co-hosted with Allamunnic States saw the two hosts scorinate all the groups on different days (and not alternately, which got very confusing); because they did not send their files to each other, there were no full tables available until they were compiled after the final day of the group stage. So Mangolana and Western Cuba, what is your solution to prevent a logistical nightmare like that from happening again?

We will be scorinating our respective groups every match day. There will be no need to send each other info until the knockout rounds of this tournament. This will make it so there are no logistical errors this time around.

But what happens if one of you disapeers during the Group Stage? Would the play of certain groups be delayed?

[Western cuba]

No delay is necessary. If one of us does not post our Group Stage by 10 P.M of that match day the other co-host will scorinate the group in replace of him.

[Civil Citizenry]

No delay is necessary. If one of us does not post our Group Stage by 10 P.M of that match day the other co-host will scorinate the group in replace of him.

So the other host will disregard RP bonuses and eschew tables?

[Western cuba]

No delay is necessary. If one of us does not post our Group Stage by 10 P.M of that match day the other co-host will scorinate the group in replace of him.

So the other host will disregard RP bonuses and eschew tables?

RP bonuses will still be counted, and tables will still be used. I'll have to do them most likely be hand but I to be honest have all the time in the world to do so.

[Civil Citizenry]

RP bonuses will still be counted

Say we're at matchday nine. Someone has RP'd perfectly for eight straight days but didn't RP for the last one. Mangolana goes missing, you scorinate his group, that RPing nation loses because he didn't have an RP that day and you didn't count the eight previous days of bonuses he had earned. That's the thing you guys are not understanding: you can't just plug in the teams and churn out the results. You have to take into account the bonuses that nations have earned for prior matchdays. You seem not to have a solution for that.

This raises another question I overlooked: what type of bonus system are you going to use, cumulative or degrading? How many points will you be awarding, in such a way that will both respect and counteract rank?

[Mangolana]

What I think my co-host is trying to say is that we will keep in constant contact, with that said we will make sure that all RP bonuses are coordinated to each other thru Tg or other efforts. Though it seems like more work, we will TG each other RP bonuses for all days from teams within are groups. This will be a precautionary measure to prevent missed days in scorination. Rp bonuses will be culumitives.