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by Cora II » Sun Nov 22, 2015 1:53 pm
by Nodin » Mon Nov 23, 2015 7:31 pm
Cormac Stark wrote:The difference between them and the Nazis they fight is rather simple: They aren't Nazis. There really doesn't need to be any other difference, as that one is more than sufficient.
Misley wrote:I'll wait while you compile the list.
Misley wrote:That's not how membership in any organization works. Godless Monkey is not and has never been a member of The Red Fleet.
Misley wrote:They had embassies with REATO members.
by Misley » Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:24 pm
by ii Darth Maul ii » Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:40 pm
by Misley » Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:41 pm
ii Darth Maul ii wrote:For what it's worth, I will continue to support this proposal until it is passed. The correlation between Red Fleet operations and Nazi Europa's growth is undeniable. Europa was basically a backwater when I was founded about seven years ago. Now, it has over 600 nations. Just by putting two and two together, the Fleet's activity has only served to grow Europa.
by The Stalker » Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:48 pm
Misley wrote:nah, i'm pretty sure it's the hundreds of dollars you've poured into telegram stamps that have made NE the size that it is now.
by Cormac Stark » Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:50 pm
ii Darth Maul ii wrote:For what it's worth, I will continue to support this proposal until it is passed. The correlation between Red Fleet operations and Nazi Europa's growth is undeniable. Europa was basically a backwater when I was founded about seven years ago. Now, it has over 600 nations. Just by putting two and two together, the Fleet's activity has only served to grow Europa.
by ii Darth Maul ii » Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:54 pm
Misley wrote:ii Darth Maul ii wrote:For what it's worth, I will continue to support this proposal until it is passed. The correlation between Red Fleet operations and Nazi Europa's growth is undeniable. Europa was basically a backwater when I was founded about seven years ago. Now, it has over 600 nations. Just by putting two and two together, the Fleet's activity has only served to grow Europa.
Nazi Europa didn't exist seven years ago, and neither did Woody's stamp recruitment campaigns.
Did no one teach you that correlation isn't causation?
by Cormac Stark » Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:56 pm
ii Darth Maul ii wrote:A general statement about statistics does not hide the obvious. As the Fleet raids far right wing regions, the original nations head to the most prominent fascist region, Nazi Europa. I've tried my hand at stamps before, and it is absolutely ludicrous to attribute the exponential growth of a region to stamps. You are afraid to admit the other cause, and so you use stamps as an excuse.
by Misley » Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:01 pm
ii Darth Maul ii wrote:Misley wrote:Nazi Europa didn't exist seven years ago, and neither did Woody's stamp recruitment campaigns.
Did no one teach you that correlation isn't causation?
A general statement about statistics does not hide the obvious. As the Fleet raids far right wing regions, the original nations head to the most prominent fascist region, Nazi Europa. I've tried my hand at stamps before, and it is absolutely ludicrous to attribute the exponential growth of a region to stamps. You are afraid to admit the other cause, and so you use stamps as an excuse.
by The Stalker » Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:08 pm
by ii Darth Maul ii » Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:13 pm
Misley wrote:ii Darth Maul ii wrote:A general statement about statistics does not hide the obvious. As the Fleet raids far right wing regions, the original nations head to the most prominent fascist region, Nazi Europa. I've tried my hand at stamps before, and it is absolutely ludicrous to attribute the exponential growth of a region to stamps. You are afraid to admit the other cause, and so you use stamps as an excuse.
Really? Ludicrous?
Tell that to The Communist Bloc, who are the second (or third, haven't checked in a while) largest UCR and have never had the kind of adversarial military response that Nazis get.
by ii Darth Maul ii » Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:14 pm
by ii Darth Maul ii » Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:16 pm
The Stalker wrote:Stamps are the easiest and main source of growth for all the largest regions.
If you throw enough money at it you get results. On occasion i've gotten stamps I get a really decent rate of return, and for NE I image their return is lower than the average region therefore the reason they spend hundreds of dollars. Gotta be a lot, I couldn't imagine wasting that much money lol.
Cormac Stark wrote:ii Darth Maul ii wrote:A general statement about statistics does not hide the obvious. As the Fleet raids far right wing regions, the original nations head to the most prominent fascist region, Nazi Europa. I've tried my hand at stamps before, and it is absolutely ludicrous to attribute the exponential growth of a region to stamps. You are afraid to admit the other cause, and so you use stamps as an excuse.
Hi! Me again, since you seem to have missed my last post.
My region gained 230 nations in less than a month, using stamps. Totally possible for stamps to deliver that kind of exponential growth. Perhaps your recruitment telegram is just bad.
by Cormac Stark » Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:17 pm
ii Darth Maul ii wrote:Perhaps I missed the stamp train. I used stamps for about several months around 2010 (not for my current region) and I saw a paltry return.
by The Silver Sentinel » Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:18 pm
ii Darth Maul ii wrote:Perhaps I missed the stamp train. I used stamps for about several months around 2010 (not for my current region) and I saw a paltry return.
by ii Darth Maul ii » Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:24 pm
by The Silver Sentinel » Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:28 pm
ii Darth Maul ii wrote:Cormac Stark wrote:You used stamps years before they even existed?The Silver Sentinel wrote:Erm... Stamps didn't come around until 2014, so try again?
Shoot, my mistake. I ceased to exist for about two years, so I have a poor recollection of what I did. I think I used an API client key. In that case, ignore anything I said previously about stamps.
by ii Darth Maul ii » Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:33 pm
The Silver Sentinel wrote:ii Darth Maul ii wrote:
Shoot, my mistake. I ceased to exist for about two years, so I have a poor recollection of what I did. I think I used an API client key. In that case, ignore anything I said previously about stamps.
You know, there are a lot of us that actually want TRF's commendation repealed, and you making inane comments like this is not helping the cause. If you care at all for this to pass, please just stop.
by Pulau Singapura » Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:41 am
by Nodin » Tue Nov 24, 2015 9:28 pm
Misley wrote:it will perhaps surprise you to learn that ForeStarnya gave up his commission back in 2013, shortly after La Pasionaria was deleted. he has not had a role in The Red Fleet since, so his three-year old opinion on what makes a valid target for The Red Fleet really doesn't apply here.
and in case people forget, Libertatem entered this whole game when they buddied up to GGR a few years ago. if they didn't know the world they were entering by trying to make friends with the fash, that's not really my problem. I'll happily raid them, REATO regions, and their friends until they're all dust.
Misley wrote:nah, i'm pretty sure it's the hundreds of dollars you've poured into telegram stamps that have made NE the size that it is now.
Misley wrote:You can't deny that there are plenty of honest-to-god fascists and Nazis that inhabit your region.
Nodin wrote:If you do buy off on the notion that NE and TGGR are anything but insults to Nazism, TRF’s attempts to ‘fight’ that kind of Nazism have resulted in the formation of the largest Nazi region to ever exist in the game—to my knowledge. I can't seem to figure out how that's commendable.
by The Stalker » Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:34 pm
by Godless Monkey » Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:26 pm
Nodin wrote:Misley wrote:That's not how membership in any organization works. Godless Monkey is not and has never been a member of The Red Fleet.
Funny stuff coming from an individual who thinks everyone who participates in a right-wing coalition op is a ‘fash’. GM participates in update capacity with TRF and supports all TRF ops. Darth Maul is correct. For all intents and purposes GM is TRF.
ii Darth Maul ii wrote:The Silver Sentinel wrote:You know, there are a lot of us that actually want TRF's commendation repealed, and you making inane comments like this is not helping the cause. If you care at all for this to pass, please just stop.
I am also one of those people, so don't talk down to me. I made a faux pas, but don't insult me when I have been making valid contributions to the resolution.
by Elke and Elba » Thu Nov 26, 2015 8:13 am
Ratateague wrote:NationStates seems to hate the Geneva Convention. I've lost count in how many times someone has tried to introduce something like it. Why they don't like it is a mystery to me. Probably a lot of jingoist wingnuts.
Ardchoille wrote:When you consider that (violet) once changed the colour of the whole game for one player ... you can understand how seriously NS takes its players.
by Misley » Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:06 am
Elke and Elba wrote:Can OP please submit this ASAP, and let us be done with this trite? It is hilarious how both parties try to make themselves look better than the other - which really says a lot about the mediocrity of either front, and your ideological spat insofar should not be rubbing the noses of other WA Nations like garlic; because no one needs to know about it.
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