by Aardenland » Sun Jun 14, 2015 8:27 am
by Katganistan » Sun Jun 14, 2015 9:30 am
by Frisbeeteria » Sun Jun 14, 2015 9:33 am
by Katganistan » Sun Jun 14, 2015 9:35 am
Frisbeeteria wrote:... or ... you could carefully read the issues and try to anticipate the effects before making poor choices.
Every change in your stats is foreshadowed in the options. Game issues don't arbitrarily do random things. You're a 'National Leader' now, and you should take responsibility for your actions.
by Aardenland » Sun Jun 14, 2015 12:46 pm
Frisbeeteria wrote:... or ... you could carefully read the issues and try to anticipate the effects before making poor choices.
Every change in your stats is foreshadowed in the options. Game issues don't arbitrarily do random things. You're a 'National Leader' now, and you should take responsibility for your actions.
by The Agnostic Collective » Sun Jun 14, 2015 1:37 pm
by Aardenland » Sun Jun 14, 2015 3:59 pm
The Agnostic Collective wrote:The game isn't obligated to warn players of ill effects caused by issues, nor should it (unless it's one of those broken issues, in which case, they strongly advise that you dismiss the issue.) You're supposed to think these things through before you settle on an option. My aspiring Anarchy nation suffered an equal blow to Political Freedoms, but instead of running to the forum, I worked on getting things back on track and it didn't take long. Learn from your mistakes and move on.
by Trelatche » Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:00 pm
Aardenland wrote:Perhaps it is not obliged, but to what degree? I find the issues aspect of the game to be intuitive in some ways, but very unintuitive in others. How long can I have a tax rate of 90% before the economy falls in? By implementing the change I suggested, people can have a choice to do it one way or the other, and it will prevent people giving up NS due to frustration.
As an aside I'm curious, and a little concerned, as to why everyone here is so demanding in their language. I have an issue, and wish to discuss it intelligently, with users responding to my idea with the same consideration I would give to theirs.
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by Phydios » Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:21 pm
Aardenland wrote:Perhaps it is not obliged, but to what degree? I find the issues aspect of the game to be intuitive in some ways, but very unintuitive in others. How long can I have a tax rate of 90% before the economy falls in? By implementing the change I suggested, people can have a choice to do it one way or the other, and it will prevent people giving up NS due to frustration.
As an aside I'm curious, and a little concerned, as to why everyone here is so demanding in their language. I have an issue, and wish to discuss it intelligently, with users responding to my idea with the same consideration I would give to theirs.
If you claim to be religious but don’t control your tongue, you are fooling yourself, and your religion is worthless. Pure and genuine religion in the sight of God the Father means caring for orphans and widows in their distress and refusing to let the world corrupt you. | Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter. On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’ But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’James 1:26-27, Matthew 7:21-23
by Aardenland » Sun Jun 14, 2015 6:47 pm
Phydios wrote:Why do you think a high tax rate will eventually result in a collapsed economy? On one of my puppets, I had a tax rate of over 90% and a "High" economy (as taken from the Trends page) for weeks. Then I deliberately imploded it by choosing an issue option that's widely known to do so.
Trelatche wrote:I don't think your tax rate has anything to do with your economy imploding, I have a slightly older puppet that has a tax rate of nearly 97%, and it still sits at 100/100 in terms of economy. Keep in mind that this nation simulator was meant to be tongue-in-cheek anyway, most of the issues have pretty overstated effects compared to what would actually occur in real life. When in doubt, just dismiss the issue.
Phydios wrote: We are discussing it. But you are far from the first person to complain about unintentional effects from issues. The answer to any proposal to make issue effects more predictable will (as far as I know) always be the same: no. A lack of people taking your side does not mean everyone here is being rude.
In the future, do what every nation should do- read the issue options carefully, remember that NS exaggerates things, and realize that the option you choose might still have unexpected effects. Also, you can try searching for "nationstates issue #XXX" using your favorite search engine. Some people have recorded the stat changes and/or effect lines for certain options of certain issues. The stat change records won't be 100% accurate for you, and there isn't information on many issues, but searching the Web can help sometimes.
by The Agnostic Collective » Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:08 pm
by Phydios » Sun Jun 14, 2015 9:08 pm
Frisbeeteria wrote:To paraphrase the other 9,999 times this has been requested, "not gonna happen". This satirical game is, by design, all about unexpected consequences. If you want predictability, this is not the game for you.
If you claim to be religious but don’t control your tongue, you are fooling yourself, and your religion is worthless. Pure and genuine religion in the sight of God the Father means caring for orphans and widows in their distress and refusing to let the world corrupt you. | Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter. On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’ But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’James 1:26-27, Matthew 7:21-23
by Luna Amore » Sun Jun 14, 2015 9:24 pm
"If anything is bloated about the taxes and how our money is spent, it's those business subsidies!" rages @@RANDOMNAME@@, a concerned and rather irate citizen. "If you ask me, the government needs to cut the corporate welfare for these rich bigwigs! Cut the average guy a tax break, and keep the programs that benefit the people, not big business!"
by Sanctaria » Sun Jun 14, 2015 9:50 pm
The Agnostic Collective wrote:The game isn't obligated to warn players of ill effects caused by issues, nor should it (unless it's one of those broken issues, in which case, they strongly advise that you dismiss the issue.)
by The Agnostic Collective » Mon Jun 15, 2015 12:56 pm
Sanctaria wrote:The Agnostic Collective wrote:The game isn't obligated to warn players of ill effects caused by issues, nor should it (unless it's one of those broken issues, in which case, they strongly advise that you dismiss the issue.)
The game doesn't recommend in any instance that you dismiss an issue if it's "broken" - if there's a fix needed with an issue, we fix it.
Only one issue in the game has a built-in-by-the-admins warning, and that's the WA Woes issue - selection of option 1 will resign you from the WA. The warning is there so people don't accidentally resign from the WA and lose delegacy or hard earned endorsements.
by Luna Amore » Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:49 pm
The Agnostic Collective wrote:Sanctaria wrote:The game doesn't recommend in any instance that you dismiss an issue if it's "broken" - if there's a fix needed with an issue, we fix it.
Only one issue in the game has a built-in-by-the-admins warning, and that's the WA Woes issue - selection of option 1 will resign you from the WA. The warning is there so people don't accidentally resign from the WA and lose delegacy or hard earned endorsements.
Maybe not anymore, but there use to be a poorly written issue that would not have the desired effect of what the option you chose. It had a big warning message plastered at the top recommending that players dismissed it. That is what I was referring to. Dismissing such issues are a way to avoid the unforeseen results of it until it's fixed.
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