United Russian Soviet States wrote:Liberalism and political correctness is ruining America.
Can't you tell the difference between liberalism and neoliberalism? Or is that too much to ask of you?
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by United North Atlantic States » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:31 pm
United Russian Soviet States wrote:Liberalism and political correctness is ruining America.
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by Keyboard Warriors » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:32 pm
The Grim Reaper wrote:Geilinor wrote:I don't. Why choose to have it represent only the bad parts of our history?
The argument is that it doesn't only represent the GOOD parts of US history.
"its display “does not express only selective aspects of its symbolism but the entire spectrum of its interpretation.”"
It is inappropriate to celebrate the bad things that have been done representing that, and any flag, in the opinion of the students who have participated in this vote, in the context of the student government room.
by Vista Major » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:32 pm
Sheltopolis wrote:Srsly....
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015/03/06/uc-irvine-students-vote-to-remove-american-flag-from-campus-lobby/Students at UC Irvine have voted for a more “inclusive space” by banning the American flag on part of the campus.
Under resolution R50-70 passed Thursday, the Associated Students of UCI voted to remove all flags, including Old Glory, from a student government work room on campus, according to the Associated Students website.
A portion of the resolution reads: “(F)lags construct paradigms of conformity and sets homogenized standards for others to obtain which in this country typically are idolized as freedom, equality and democracy.”
Authored by student Matthew Guevara, the resolution goes on to state that since “the American flag has been flown in instances of colonialism and imperialism,” its display “does not express only selective aspects of its symbolism but the entire spectrum of its interpretation.”
This is just beyond bullshit. I hope the liberals on this site will agree with me that while America is certainly guilty of its fair share of crimes and has often overstepped its constitutional boundaries, it has also done many wonderful things for this world, such as ending World War II and defeating Nazi Germany, the Civil Rights Movement and equality for minorities, putting man on the moon, the Industrial revolution, and standing as a bastion of free speech and enterprise throughout its 200-some year history. I understand these students' points that the U.S. is guilty of several horrible crimes over the years (slavery, segregation, imperialism, drug war, etc., not that those are uniquely American to begin with), but it is the United States Constitution that gives these kids the right to say what they want, express how they feel, and live safely in a first-world nation.
I say this not as some faux-patriot sissy but as a decent American that our flag should be flown with pride as it represents, in my opinion, equality, individual liberty, and the voluntary and open exchange of ideas and goods. No we are not perfect, but what country is? And what other country has university students that would bring down their own homeland for the sake of political correctness? You've got to figure that if immigrants are living in America, they are damn well pleased with how it treats them. It seems that only in America that we nitpick at non-existent issues to make everyone "feel included". I don't understand it. If these (public school) kids are so disgusted with the display of American memorabilia in their school, I highly suggest they ought to cut the funding they receive from the republic which the flag stands for.
Thoughts?
by United North Atlantic States » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:32 pm
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by Alyakia » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:32 pm
Geilinor wrote:Scomagia wrote:Because there's fuck all in the way of good parts?
Let's see:
Abolitionism
Passage of the 13th and 14th Amendments
Industrialization
Civil Rights Movement
Women's suffrage movement
Creation of National Parks
Desegregation
NASA
Defeat of Nazi Germany
Flags don't only represent governments, but nations and their people. That's why I also included good things Americans have done independently of the government.
by Oneracon » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:32 pm
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by The Grim Reaper » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:33 pm
by Conserative Morality » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:33 pm
Alyakia wrote:don't you find it funny that you include "we were so horrible that people literally came home from nazi germany lamenting how shit their own country treated them comparatively and well 30 years later we decided to stop being so horrible, waaaaaaay behind the curve" as a good thing
by Lenciland » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:33 pm
Karlsreich wrote:And on the fourth day, God created Saturn. And he liked it. So he put a ring on it.
by Alyakia » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:33 pm
by Olthar » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:34 pm
Oneracon wrote:They took it, along with all other flags, out of one room. Get over yourselves.
by Sheltopolis » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:34 pm
by Geilinor » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:34 pm
by Geilinor » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:34 pm
by Oneracon » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:34 pm
Lenciland wrote:I thought that we'd all be thrilled. A group of politically active young people democraticly deciding on a resolution that they believed in. What's more American than that?
Oneracon wrote:They're expressing their opinions, even when they're unpopular, and that's the least American thing anyone can do!
Compass
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.72
Pro: | LGBTQ+ rights, basic income, secularism, gun control, internet freedom, civic nationalism, non-military national service, independent Scotland, antifa |
Anti: | Social conservatism, laissez-faire capitalism, NuAtheism, PETA, capital punishment, Putin, SWERF, TERF, GamerGate, "Alt-right" & neo-Nazism, Drumpf, ethnic nationalism, "anti-PC", pineapple on pizza |
by The Grim Reaper » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:35 pm
Keyboard Warriors wrote:No flag, mascot or crest or otherwise is ever (or should ever be) taken to symbolize the entire spectrum of its interpretation as that would just be silly. To attempt to a apply such a policy in which all possible interpretations of flags is only going to end in a lot more tears than would a thoughtful consideration of the message and symbolism behind them.
Frankly they can ban it if they want to, it's their choice to do so. So long as they're aware that their reasoning doesn't make a great deal of sense. They could have just said "we'd be more comfortable without the flag" rather than this pseudo-intellectualism bs.
by United Russian Soviet States » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:35 pm
The Grim Reaper wrote:United North Atlantic States wrote:Can't you tell the difference between liberalism and neoliberalism? Or is that too much to ask of you?
I don't think neoliberalism is what he's looking for, and neither is classical liberalism - I assume he's referring to Democrat-leaning or the far-left. You want social liberalism.
by United North Atlantic States » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:37 pm
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by Alyakia » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:37 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:Alyakia wrote:don't you find it funny that you include "we were so horrible that people literally came home from nazi germany lamenting how shit their own country treated them comparatively and well 30 years later we decided to stop being so horrible, waaaaaaay behind the curve" as a good thing
Reform isn't a good thing?
by The Grim Reaper » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:37 pm
by Yumyumsuppertime » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:37 pm
Oneracon wrote:Yumyumsuppertime wrote:Ridiculous. Fox couldn't do a better job of painting lefty American students as being anti-patriotic and having no love of country. In reality, it's just the sort of silliness that college students with no real world experience engage in in order to make points, and is therefore worthy of little more than an eyeroll.
They're expressing their opinions, even when they're unpopular, and that's the least American thing anyone can do!
by Geilinor » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:38 pm
by Saint-Germaine » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:39 pm
by The Grim Reaper » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:39 pm
by United North Atlantic States » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:39 pm
United Russian Soviet States wrote:I am referring to social liberalism.
Great Islamic Caliphate wrote:[…] United North Atlantic States (Europe, Australasia and North America), […]
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