Texas, Would we be better off without the USA?

[CIB EMPIRE]

Put al poll out for this

[Luciratus]

Second one from the bottom. Total military recruits(army, navy, airforce). It is 1st of 55, so that settles it Texas does have the largest military of any state in the Union.

[Dyakovo]

Second one from the bottom. Total military recruits(army, navy, airforce). It is 1st of 55, so that settles it Texas does have the largest military of any state in the Union.

Ummm...
No.
People from Texas who have enlisted in the U.S. Armed Forces are not Texas' military.
Texas' military is the Texas National Guard, Air National Guard, and Texas State Guard Maritime Regiment.

[Luciratus]

They supply the most soldiers of any state to the United States army which is the point I was trying to make. I apologize for wording it so awkwardly though. Thank you for catching my mistake.

[Dyakovo]

They supply the most forces in the United States army which is the point I was trying to make.

It is not what you said though...

[Timurid Empire]

No. The union would never allow it, hasn't this happened once? WWII was it?

[Dyakovo]

No. The union would never allow it, hasn't this happened once? WWII was it?

WWII was about a US state seceding? What are you smoking?

[Latin Hispania]

I don't know exactly how this would go, but if Texas THREATENED to raise in arms against the US, they might get "independence" or a deal that is unfair to the US.
If the US didn't accept the independence, and Texas DID raise in arms, then a fierce battle would be fought between Texans and the rest of the US. I think it's be pretty interesting to see. US specops going house after hous only to find an old man with a Benelli M4 shotgun waiting for them... priceless. Of course in the end Texas would be nothing more than a glass crater.
If by some random act of God Texas went independent, it would be a succesful country. All that oil has to come in handy sometime.

[Timurid Empire]

No. The union would never allow it, hasn't this happened once? WWII was it?

WWII was about a US state seceding? What are you smoking?

Something that would kill a normal man.

[Sibirsky]

No. The union would never allow it, hasn't this happened once? WWII was it?

WWII was about a US state seceding? What are you smoking?

Damn. Most of Europe was destroyed, as well as massive involvement in Asia over a state leaving the union? This is bigger than I thought. And whatever that shit is, pass it.

[Kiregpanzer]

If we went south and invaded Mexico we could probably survive on our own. That's what Sam Houston wanted to do after the first secession, as opposed to joining the Confederacy (which, as we all know, worked out splendidly).

I've got that filed away as a prologue under "Plans to Take Over The World".

[Cobhanglica]

Second one from the bottom. Total military recruits(army, navy, airforce). It is 1st of 55, so that settles it Texas does have the largest military of any state in the Union.

Ummm...
No.
People from Texas who have enlisted in the U.S. Armed Forces are not Texas' military.
Texas' military is the Texas National Guard, Air National Guard, and Texas State Guard Maritime Regiment.

But how many of those people in the US Armed Force do you think would come back to Texas if Texas left the Union? Don't forget, when the Southern states seceded from the Union, many US military personnel of Southern descent left the US military to follow their state. Robert E. Lee had previously been a US Army general, but joined the Confederacy because he was more loyal to his home state of Virginia than to the US government.

[Gift-of-god]

But how many of those people in the US Armed Force do you think would come back to Texas if Texas left the Union? Don't forget, when the Southern states seceded from the Union, many US military personnel of Southern descent left the US military to follow their state. Robert E. Lee had previously been a US Army general, but joined the Confederacy because he was more loyal to his home state of Virginia than to the US government.

The white ones might, but not the rest of them.

[Farnhamia]

But how many of those people in the US Armed Force do you think would come back to Texas if Texas left the Union? Don't forget, when the Southern states seceded from the Union, many US military personnel of Southern descent left the US military to follow their state. Robert E. Lee had previously been a US Army general, but joined the Confederacy because he was more loyal to his home state of Virginia than to the US government.

The white ones might, but not the rest of them.

Some of the white ones, maybe. The country is not, despite what a great many of our conservative friends here think, not the same as it was in 1860. It may be trite to point this out, but prior to the Civil War it was common usage to say, "The United States are." After the war that became, "The United States is." Many people in those days did see themselves as citizens of their states as much as citizens of their country, and in many cases, the state loyalty overrode loyalty to country. Frankly, it diminishes Colonel Lee in my estimation because he chose Virginia over the United States. I do not think that same outlook is to be found much in the modern armed forces. Some would desert, of course, but I think the majority would remain true to their oaths.

[Xsyne]

Haven't you heard of the man a couple months ago who burnt his house down and flew a plane into the IRS building because of them taking EVERYTHING them closing two of his businesses for unjust reasons and him flipping hell and giving up.

You mean the guy who murdered a Vietnam vet after the IRS told him that he was not a church, and therefore could not avoid taxes by claiming to be a church?

hadn't heard that part of the story? Why was there NO coverage of the media saying this?

Uhh, there was. Lots of it, in fact. It was the same idiot who crashed his plane into the IRS building in Austin. Xsyne just got his facts mixed up -- he didn't murder a 'Nam vet over it; he was the 'Nam vet and he crashed his plane because of it. Summary of events: pores over tax laws with his buddies and realizes the "wonderful 'exemptions' that make institutions like the vulgar, corrupt Catholic Church so incredibly wealthy," attempts to evade taxes by declaring himself a church and is summarily denied, gets pissed as hell, and crashes his plane into the IRS building. That quote is taken from his suicide note.

Vernon Hunter, the IRS worker who died, was a Vietnam vet.

[Fanaglia]

Haven't you heard of the man a couple months ago who burnt his house down and flew a plane into the IRS building because of them taking EVERYTHING them closing two of his businesses for unjust reasons and him flipping hell and giving up.

You mean the guy who murdered a Vietnam vet after the IRS told him that he was not a church, and therefore could not avoid taxes by claiming to be a church?

hadn't heard that part of the story? Why was there NO coverage of the media saying this?

Uhh, there was. Lots of it, in fact. It was the same idiot who crashed his plane into the IRS building in Austin. Xsyne just got his facts mixed up -- he didn't murder a 'Nam vet over it; he was the 'Nam vet and he crashed his plane because of it. Summary of events: pores over tax laws with his buddies and realizes the "wonderful 'exemptions' that make institutions like the vulgar, corrupt Catholic Church so incredibly wealthy," attempts to evade taxes by declaring himself a church and is summarily denied, gets pissed as hell, and crashes his plane into the IRS building. That quote is taken from his suicide note.

Vernon Hunter, the IRS worker who died, was a Vietnam vet.

Well there you go. See how easy it is to make a mistake? But my point was that there was plenty of coverage; the bit that got the strongest response from Valenskiivov was misleading at best. My point still stands.

[ILYLOL]

No. The union would never allow it, hasn't this happened once? WWII was it?

WWII was about a US state seceding? What are you smoking?

he's smoking 8!

[Regnum Ardesco]

Don't let Oklahoma hit you on the way out.

[Luciratus]

Don't let Oklahoma hit you on the way out.

Oklahoma isn't seceding. Neither is Texas. They are both great states but they are both better off with the U.S. I apologize for not knowing as much about Oklahoma as I could but I think it is possible that both states could survive without the U.S.; though they would be diminished a bit. The only talk of seccession comes from Texas governor Perry's comments to an over-excited crowd. Most of these comments were more hot-air and pandering than real desire for seccession. The majority of Texans do not want to secede. However the Feds should at least pay some concern to our interests just as they should to that of the other states. As far as I know Oklahoma isn't anywhere near seccession. I think that is more of a conspiracy theory or stretcher than anything truthful.

[Utvara]

Texas can leave, but we get to keep Austin as an exclave.

[Luciratus]

Texas can leave, but we get to keep Austin as an exclave.

Jocular: You can keep it. Its too liberal and is going bankrupt anyway. However we keep the music industry and want sole custody of the capital buildings(as they are absolutely gorgeous and they are our center government). You may also provide haven for the Democrats of Houston, Dallas, and San Antonio. We want Houston(it has oil), Dallas(it's big), and San Antonio(I just like the name and its pretty) though. Also we want to annex Louisiana, Oklahoma, and possibly Canada. This is going to be complicated. Deal or no Deal?

[NERVUN]

We would be better off without zombies.