by Conserative Morality » Thu Nov 20, 2014 9:58 pm
by Shiie » Thu Nov 20, 2014 9:59 pm
by Southern Arkansas » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:01 pm
by Conserative Morality » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:02 pm
Shiie wrote:Only great men have dominated history.
by NERVUN » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:02 pm
by Anglo-California » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:04 pm
by Fartsniffage » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:04 pm
Shiie wrote:Only great men have dominated history.
by Rifty » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:04 pm
NERVUN wrote:Only if you're studying western history...
by Shiie » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:04 pm
Are you saying that great men and culture are separate and can independently exist?Conserative Morality wrote:Shiie wrote:Only great men have dominated history.
On the risk of going off-topic... cultural forces have forced history along just as often as great men. It's not an either/or - great men create cultures, cultures create great men, and every great man in history has worked through the lens of his culture, even if he seeks to change it.
by Great Franconia and Verana » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:06 pm
by Threlizdun » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:06 pm
by Empire of Narnia » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:07 pm
by Conserative Morality » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:10 pm
Shiie wrote:Are you saying that great men and culture are separate and can independently exist?
by The Liberated Territories » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:10 pm
by The Kingdom Historia » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:11 pm
by Conserative Morality » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:12 pm
The Liberated Territories wrote:If anything, the "Roman culture" has dominated and influenced history the most. Yet Romans weren't exclusively white.
Such an idea also negates contributions from other cultures, e.g. Arabs and algebra.
Next time you do some algebra - thank an Arab.
by -The West Coast- » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:13 pm
by Conserative Morality » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:13 pm
Anglo-California wrote:The problems you're talking about are because people starting thinking that white history = global history
by Dracoria » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:14 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:The white 'race' has dominated history, according to some. Is this view ahistorical, whatever its (In my opinion, complete lack of) scientific merit? Whatever one's opinion on race, is it true that the cultural construct we generally recognize as the white race has dominated world events, striving forward where other races merely followed? Is it true that certain races have gotten the short end of the historical stick, so to speak, or is it simply that the bias of some leads them to apply current circumstances to history?
In case my tone didn't make it apparent, I'm not a fan of the idea. I think it's morally unsound and has no basis in history; not even in European history.
Discuss.
by Norstal » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:14 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:The white 'race' has dominated history, according to some. Is this view ahistorical, whatever its (In my opinion, complete lack of) scientific merit? Whatever one's opinion on race, is it true that the cultural construct we generally recognize as the white race has dominated world events, striving forward where other races merely followed? Is it true that certain races have gotten the short end of the historical stick, so to speak, or is it simply that the bias of some leads them to apply current circumstances to history?
In case my tone didn't make it apparent, I'm not a fan of the idea. I think it's morally unsound and has no basis in history; not even in European history.
Discuss.
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by Anglo-California » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:17 pm
Norstal wrote:Conserative Morality wrote:The white 'race' has dominated history, according to some. Is this view ahistorical, whatever its (In my opinion, complete lack of) scientific merit? Whatever one's opinion on race, is it true that the cultural construct we generally recognize as the white race has dominated world events, striving forward where other races merely followed? Is it true that certain races have gotten the short end of the historical stick, so to speak, or is it simply that the bias of some leads them to apply current circumstances to history?
In case my tone didn't make it apparent, I'm not a fan of the idea. I think it's morally unsound and has no basis in history; not even in European history.
Discuss.
I'm so glad China is rising in power so that we can finally end this bullshit about white people being the superior race.
by Aahmerica » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:17 pm
by Fartsniffage » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:17 pm
-The West Coast- wrote:In my opinion the white race has been significantly dominant for centuries. For hundreds of years we've dictated and discovered, we've founded and fought and settled and brought civilization to significantly uncivilized areas of the world. The past when significant inventions were discovered by, for example, the Chinese and gunpowder were literal coincidences.
Gunpowder was only discovered and invented because a Chinese man mixed several things together trying to make bigger, more powerful fireworks. That isn't to say they're not as smart as we are, they often are just as smart, but it does mean that they're not all amazing inventors or superior people in comparison to my race. It was definitely coincidental.
They definitely can take credit for uncovering various important academic tools like algebra, but those were singular men, not the entire race of people, and often times those great thinkers were educated by Europeans and their tools taken and improved upon by Europeans to be more efficient in the future.
by Terra Sector Union » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:17 pm
Strobe Talbot. wrote:n the next century (now), nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single global authority and realize national sovereignty wasn’t such a great deal after all.
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