Okay. I laughed.
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by Dyakovo » Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:00 pm
by Grave_n_idle » Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:03 pm
Dyakovo wrote:Grave_n_idle wrote:
Why doesn't it make sense?
It's entirely consistent to think that a certain form of structure is advantageous for the general populace, whilst simultaneously not believing in it's stated central belief. For example - if you think that religion serves a valid purpose as a cutch for people in emotional distress, or as a mechanism for promoting altruism, or even cynically thinking that it's just a good way to control people - none of that requires you to actually believe the beliefs of the religion.
Indeed. While I view religion as a crutch, as with actual physical crutches, I don't see a valid reason for denying it to people who do need it.
by Nekronia » Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:10 pm
I am one. I feel as though people should be atheist or agnostic until one of the religions is proven to be objectively correct, as faith can make any belief system feel real. However, I have nothing against theists or anything. It's just not my cup of tea.Creepoc Infinite wrote:What are your thoughts on atheism, and why?
Nothing. That's the whole point. I've never had a religion.Creepoc Infinite wrote:If you are one, what convinced you to be atheist?
The Templar High Council wrote:The number of times Nek makes sense is grossly outnumbered by the times he doesn't.
by Paid To Troll » Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:11 pm
Nekronia wrote:I am one. I feel as though people should be atheist or agnostic until one of the religions is proven to be objectively correct, as faith can make any belief system feel real. However, I have nothing against theists or anything. It's just not my cup of tea.Creepoc Infinite wrote:What are your thoughts on atheism, and why?Nothing. That's the whole point. I've never had a religion.Creepoc Infinite wrote:If you are one, what convinced you to be atheist?
My family absolutely refused to admit that Santa and the Easter Bunny and all that existed until I was in... middle school? So I thought an invisible space wizard was just another one of those things like the magic fat man who can infiltrate billions of homes in one night and deliver objects sometimes larger than the chimney itself without anyone noticing. The whole thing seemed rather ridiculous to me, so it just had to be one of those things like Santa, right? You can imagine my face when I realized that the vast majority of the world believed this kind of thing or a variant of it. No one's proven any religion to me, so I'll stick with what's been proven by fact and evidence.
...why is it that whenever I explain my reasons for being atheist, I always sound like an neckbearded antitheist prick? I swear I'm completely chill with religious people. This is just my reason for not being one of them.
by Dyakovo » Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:15 pm
Valaran wrote:Dyakovo wrote:That was me being polite.
Oh
In which case, I appreciate it.
And for the record, I will likely reassess my views at some point. Me not knowing what to believe is (meant to be) temporary. I'm still collating arguments and the like, if you will, which is why I have no firm opinion.
Later I may well fall neatly (and without fuss) into one of those two camps. So either way, thanks for the debate; it was still instructive and helpful
by The Smith Protectorate » Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:32 pm
by Murkwood » Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:34 pm
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Murkwood, I'm surprised you're not an anti-Semite and don't mind most LGBT rights because boy, aren't you a constellation of the worst opinions to have about everything? o_o
Benuty wrote:I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.
Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.
by Tagmatium » Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:37 pm
The Sanguinian Islands wrote:edgy, condesending, unkempt and rude
its one thing to not believe, but another to be ISIS level about it
North Calaveras wrote:Tagmatium, it was never about pie...
by Murkwood » Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:39 pm
Tagmatium wrote:The Sanguinian Islands wrote:edgy, condesending, unkempt and rude
its one thing to not believe, but another to be ISIS level about it
Herpaderp.
You know of any militant atheist terrorist groups carving up nations and indulging in mass murders, then please do show them as evidence.
Otherwise, such blatant hyperbole does you no good, as all it serves is to make you look foolish.
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Murkwood, I'm surprised you're not an anti-Semite and don't mind most LGBT rights because boy, aren't you a constellation of the worst opinions to have about everything? o_o
Benuty wrote:I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.
Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.
by Paid To Troll » Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:40 pm
Murkwood wrote:Tagmatium wrote:Herpaderp.
You know of any militant atheist terrorist groups carving up nations and indulging in mass murders, then please do show them as evidence.
Otherwise, such blatant hyperbole does you no good, as all it serves is to make you look foolish.
The USSR's and China's anti religious campaigns, for one. As for terrorism, how about this?
by Distruzio » Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:44 pm
by Tagmatium » Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:44 pm
Murkwood wrote:Tagmatium wrote:Herpaderp.
You know of any militant atheist terrorist groups carving up nations and indulging in mass murders, then please do show them as evidence.
Otherwise, such blatant hyperbole does you no good, as all it serves is to make you look foolish.
The USSR's and China's anti religious campaigns, for one. As for terrorism, how about this?
North Calaveras wrote:Tagmatium, it was never about pie...
by Murkwood » Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:44 pm
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Murkwood, I'm surprised you're not an anti-Semite and don't mind most LGBT rights because boy, aren't you a constellation of the worst opinions to have about everything? o_o
Benuty wrote:I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.
Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.
by Paid To Troll » Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:46 pm
by Soviet Haaregrad » Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:53 pm
by Dyakovo » Wed Nov 12, 2014 1:00 pm
by Ereria » Wed Nov 12, 2014 1:01 pm
by Grave_n_idle » Wed Nov 12, 2014 1:10 pm
Ereria wrote:I usually find people that calls them selves 'atheist' in real life to be people with repulsive personalities. I have not met one somewhat militant atheist or whatever you will call them that is a nice person. That's me though. People that rather say ''I don't really believe in anything'' or that they don't know seems to be like any other person. Of course im generalising and it's most probably militant atheists that are good persons.
by Idzequitch » Wed Nov 12, 2014 1:21 pm
Ereria wrote:I usually find people that calls them selves 'atheist' in real life to be people with repulsive personalities. I have not met one somewhat militant atheist or whatever you will call them that is a nice person. That's me though. People that rather say ''I don't really believe in anything'' or that they don't know seems to be like any other person. Of course im generalising and it's most probably militant atheists that are good persons.
by Paid To Troll » Wed Nov 12, 2014 1:25 pm
Idzequitch wrote:Ereria wrote:I usually find people that calls them selves 'atheist' in real life to be people with repulsive personalities. I have not met one somewhat militant atheist or whatever you will call them that is a nice person. That's me though. People that rather say ''I don't really believe in anything'' or that they don't know seems to be like any other person. Of course im generalising and it's most probably militant atheists that are good persons.
I think that's a false correlation. Many atheists are perfectly pleasant people, but there are some of them who get rather nasty when debating matters of religion, or the origin of the world, etc. But since those are the forums that creationists see them in most often, they think of them as assholes, when they really aren't 95% of the time.
by True American States » Wed Nov 12, 2014 1:28 pm
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:i don't know you, but I suspect on some level, you're an actual conservative, not one of the ragbag of gun nuts, arch-reactionaries, fringe politics aficionados, and anarcho-capitalists hijacking the term nowadays.
Terstotzka wrote:Bit fancy, bit cool, But still pretty American :p
by Paid To Troll » Wed Nov 12, 2014 1:29 pm
by Tagmatium » Wed Nov 12, 2014 1:29 pm
True American States wrote:Its morally bankrupted. I'm a former atheist.
North Calaveras wrote:Tagmatium, it was never about pie...
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