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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:53 pm

Australian Republic wrote:There's a difference between being bored and being unprofessional and drawing silly things, and drawing a NAZI symbol


As I said the person could have drawn the peace symbol or a happy face. I am pretty sure no one would be complaining.
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Postby Dyakovo » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:53 pm

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Versailles-Champagne wrote:Wait a minute, this woman actually bothered to look at what she was eating?? Blasphemy, I say!
In all seriousness though, firing the employee was probably a bit over the top since it was most likely an immature kid. A nice slap on the wrist would have sufficed in my book. Although, I can see where they're coming from. It is difficult to find common ground when something like this happens, especially if the company is large and can easily be targeted by bad publicity.

Yeas, but they could also be targeted for unfair dismisal

Being fired for violating company policy is the exact opposite of unfair dismissal.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:55 pm

Australian Republic wrote:Like I said, the Swastika could represent Buddhism.
And before anyone starts the "But in modern America..."
Prove to me that there are no Buddhists in Modern America, and that this kid is not Buddhist himself


Well, the fact that he told his boss that he did it because he was bored instead of saying "It's a holy symbol to me" would be one major fucking clue to anyone with an ounce of reading comprehension. But maybe that's just me.

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Postby Tekania » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:55 pm

Australian Republic wrote:
Versailles-Champagne wrote:Wait a minute, this woman actually bothered to look at what she was eating?? Blasphemy, I say!
In all seriousness though, firing the employee was probably a bit over the top since it was most likely an immature kid. A nice slap on the wrist would have sufficed in my book. Although, I can see where they're coming from. It is difficult to find common ground when something like this happens, especially if the company is large and can easily be targeted by bad publicity.

Yeas, but they could also be targeted for unfair dismisal


North Carolina is an at-will-employment state. Unless the firing happens to specifically be targeted in discrimination to someone because they are a member of a protected class for a reason of their membership in said protected class...... there is no "unfair dismissal". The manager could walk in and for whatever reason look at someone and go "you're fired" without stating any reason and it would be perfectly fine.
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Postby Rothuria » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:56 pm

Meh. Butter. Swastika. There are worse things to be outraged about. :roll:
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:56 pm

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As does the company that hired said fast-food worker.

Seriously? You are paying someone minimum wage to make crappy food and deal with annoying customers. If you seriously expect loyal, dedicated, professional workers you are delusional.


How about employees who don't inscribe hate symbols on the product? Is that too much to ask for?

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:58 pm

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Of course I expect fast food employees to act professionally, but that isn't the point. The point is that his employers likely expected him to act more professionally. There's no doubt that this was a bored employee. Fast food work is boring. I know this from experience. Still, if you're going to draw a symbol that causes offense, then you have to expect that if you're found out, there's a good chance that the person who finds you out will be offended.


If the person was board and wanted to draw on food, why not draw inoffensive symbols instead, like the peace symbol or a smiley face?


Exactly! I mean, if someone wants to draw nonsense on the buns, that's fine. Just stay away from the stuff that could easily piss off the customers. No swastikas, no penises, no obscenities.

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Postby Versailles-Champagne » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:59 pm

Australian Republic wrote:
Versailles-Champagne wrote:Wait a minute, this woman actually bothered to look at what she was eating?? Blasphemy, I say!
In all seriousness though, firing the employee was probably a bit over the top since it was most likely an immature kid. A nice slap on the wrist would have sufficed in my book. Although, I can see where they're coming from. It is difficult to find common ground when something like this happens, especially if the company is large and can easily be targeted by bad publicity.

Yeas, but they could also be targeted for unfair dismisal

They can, but I don't think many people consider his dismissal to be unfair. The people whining about race and tolerance are a very loud group and get attention in the media much easier.

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Postby Galter Gulcher » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:59 pm

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Galter Gulcher wrote:That lady is probably fat.

And it would matter if she is, because?


She probably doesn't need the butter anyway so to say.
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:02 pm

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Dyakovo wrote:And it would matter if she is, because?


She probably doesn't need the butter anyway so to say.


What's this got to do with the price of tea in China?
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Postby Dyakovo » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:03 pm

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Dyakovo wrote:And it would matter if she is, because?


She probably doesn't need the butter anyway so to say.

In other words, it doesn't matter, you just were grasping at straws, looking for an excuse to attack the woman.
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Postby Tekania » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:03 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Australian Republic wrote:Like I said, the Swastika could represent Buddhism.
And before anyone starts the "But in modern America..."
Prove to me that there are no Buddhists in Modern America, and that this kid is not Buddhist himself


Well, the fact that he told his boss that he did it because he was bored instead of saying "It's a holy symbol to me" would be one major fucking clue to anyone with an ounce of reading comprehension. But maybe that's just me.


Indeed, customer brings a swastika drawn bun to me with a complaint.... i'm going to discuss it with the employee and it's going to play out three ways:
1. He will say the symbol is holy to him... to which I will ask him not to do it as it can cause offense to customers who may see it. And let them take a pass it for now.
2. He will say he is sorry and that he did wrong and will not do it again... in which case he can still work, and take a pass on it now.
3. He will say he was bored and just clowning around.... he will be fired.

There's a general concept in customer service roles called owning the situation. Someone who cannot take ownership of their act and responsibility.... needs to go.
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Postby Versailles-Champagne » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:04 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
Versailles-Champagne wrote:Wait a minute, this woman actually bothered to look at what she was eating?? Blasphemy, I say!
In all seriousness though, firing the employee was probably a bit over the top since it was most likely an immature kid. A nice slap on the wrist would have sufficed in my book. Although, I can see where they're coming from. It is difficult to find common ground when something like this happens, especially if the company is large and can easily be targeted by bad publicity.

Being an immature kid does not give one a free pass to violate company policy.

I agree, but I still think that it was a little extreme. If it was the first time he did something like that then he should be given a second chance. If it happens repeatedly, then he can be fired without a second thought.

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Postby Galter Gulcher » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:05 pm

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She probably doesn't need the butter anyway so to say.

In other words, it doesn't matter, you just were grasping at straws, looking for an excuse to attack the woman.


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Postby Tekania » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:08 pm

Versailles-Champagne wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Being an immature kid does not give one a free pass to violate company policy.

I agree, but I still think that it was a little extreme. If it was the first time he did something like that then he should be given a second chance. If it happens repeatedly, then he can be fired without a second thought.

Under North Carolina law, not only are second thoughts optional.... first thoughts are optional as well.
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Postby Dyakovo » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:10 pm

Versailles-Champagne wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Being an immature kid does not give one a free pass to violate company policy.

I agree, but I still think that it was a little extreme. If it was the first time he did something like that then he should be given a second chance. If it happens repeatedly, then he can be fired without a second thought.

That's not how the real world works. In the real world, if you violate company policy and your best defense is "I was bored", you will be out of a job.
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Postby Versailles-Champagne » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:15 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
Versailles-Champagne wrote:I agree, but I still think that it was a little extreme. If it was the first time he did something like that then he should be given a second chance. If it happens repeatedly, then he can be fired without a second thought.

That's not how the real world works. In the real world, if you violate company policy and your best defense is "I was bored", you will be out of a job.

I am very much aware that the real world does not function in this way. I'm merely stating my opinion on what I think would have been a fair resolution to this problem. I'm not defending his actions, nor am I trying to say that the company was in the wrong by doing what they did. If they feel like firing him, then so be it, he brought it upon himself.

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Postby Aurora Novus » Thu Aug 14, 2014 12:33 am

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Because it was a joke. It was humerous, and that's how she should have taken it. As something funny that happened. Not something to be morally outraged over.


It was a joke?

See, I've spent my whole life enjoying comedy. I've even written some comedic material that proved reasonably popular for a local theater group. Comedy is one of the things that I consider sacred in life. I'm always open to new types of humor.

Explain the joke to me.


The absurdity of something like that is funny. It's funny because it's ridiculous. It's so out there. A hidden buttered swastika? That's funny.

It doesn't have to be some rigorously thought-out joke to be funny. Some things are funny because of how silly and absurd they are.

Evidently she, and you, don't find it funny. I'm not asking you to find it funny. I'm saying that you should recognize it for what it is; stupid humor. And to not treat it like some moral outrage, as she has. That's not stupid funny, that's just stupid.

She should've just eaten her sandwhich and gone about her day. Instead she had to try and harm someone else's, because she couldn't stand the thought of not being the morality police.

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Postby Princess Anna of Arendelle » Thu Aug 14, 2014 12:36 am

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It was a joke?

See, I've spent my whole life enjoying comedy. I've even written some comedic material that proved reasonably popular for a local theater group. Comedy is one of the things that I consider sacred in life. I'm always open to new types of humor.

Explain the joke to me.


The absurdity of something like that is funny. It's funny because it's ridiculous. It's so out there. A hidden buttered swastika? That's funny.

It doesn't have to be some rigorously thought-out joke to be funny. Some things are funny because of how silly and absurd they are.

Evidently she, and you, don't find it funny. I'm not asking you to find it funny. I'm saying that you should recognize it for what it is; stupid humor. And to not treat it like some moral outrage, as she has. That's not stupid funny, that's just stupid.

She should've just eaten her sandwhich and gone about her day. Instead she had to try and harm someone else's, because she couldn't stand the thought of not being the morality police.


Its amazing how a symbol can have so much power

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Postby Neutraligon » Thu Aug 14, 2014 12:36 am

Aurora Novus wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
It was a joke?

See, I've spent my whole life enjoying comedy. I've even written some comedic material that proved reasonably popular for a local theater group. Comedy is one of the things that I consider sacred in life. I'm always open to new types of humor.

Explain the joke to me.


The absurdity of something like that is funny. It's funny because it's ridiculous. It's so out there. A hidden buttered swastika? That's funny.

It doesn't have to be some rigorously thought-out joke to be funny. Some things are funny because of how silly and absurd they are.

Evidently she, and you, don't find it funny. I'm not asking you to find it funny. I'm saying that you should recognize it for what it is; stupid humor. And to not treat it like some moral outrage, as she has. That's not stupid funny, that's just stupid.

She should've just eaten her sandwhich and gone about her day. Instead she had to try and harm someone else's, because she couldn't stand the thought of not being the morality police.


No it really isn't. All it is is stupid. It isn't stupid humor, it's just stupid. Why should she have to. She did not like having a swasttka on her sandwich, so she complained. It isn't about morality police, it's about someone acting in an unprofessional manner.

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Aurora Novus wrote:
The absurdity of something like that is funny. It's funny because it's ridiculous. It's so out there. A hidden buttered swastika? That's funny.

It doesn't have to be some rigorously thought-out joke to be funny. Some things are funny because of how silly and absurd they are.

Evidently she, and you, don't find it funny. I'm not asking you to find it funny. I'm saying that you should recognize it for what it is; stupid humor. And to not treat it like some moral outrage, as she has. That's not stupid funny, that's just stupid.

She should've just eaten her sandwhich and gone about her day. Instead she had to try and harm someone else's, because she couldn't stand the thought of not being the morality police.


Its amazing how a symbol can have so much power


Why is it so amazing? Symbols are representations of an actual thing. The US flag represents the US, which is why people who dislike the US or disagree with the US burn the flag.
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Postby Dyakovo » Thu Aug 14, 2014 12:37 am

Aurora Novus wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
It was a joke?

See, I've spent my whole life enjoying comedy. I've even written some comedic material that proved reasonably popular for a local theater group. Comedy is one of the things that I consider sacred in life. I'm always open to new types of humor.

Explain the joke to me.


The absurdity of something like that is funny. It's funny because it's ridiculous. It's so out there. A hidden buttered swastika? That's funny.

It doesn't have to be some rigorously thought-out joke to be funny. Some things are funny because of how silly and absurd they are.

Evidently she, and you, don't find it funny. I'm not asking you to find it funny. I'm saying that you should recognize it for what it is; stupid humor. And to not treat it like some moral outrage, as she has. That's not stupid funny, that's just stupid.

She should've just eaten her sandwhich and gone about her day. Instead she had to try and harm someone else's, because she couldn't stand the thought of not being the morality police.

She did not treat it as a moral outrage, nor did she try to harm someone else's day.
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Postby Princess Anna of Arendelle » Thu Aug 14, 2014 12:38 am

Neutraligon wrote:
Aurora Novus wrote:
The absurdity of something like that is funny. It's funny because it's ridiculous. It's so out there. A hidden buttered swastika? That's funny.

It doesn't have to be some rigorously thought-out joke to be funny. Some things are funny because of how silly and absurd they are.

Evidently she, and you, don't find it funny. I'm not asking you to find it funny. I'm saying that you should recognize it for what it is; stupid humor. And to not treat it like some moral outrage, as she has. That's not stupid funny, that's just stupid.

She should've just eaten her sandwhich and gone about her day. Instead she had to try and harm someone else's, because she couldn't stand the thought of not being the morality police.


No it really isn't. All it is is stupid. It isn't stupid humor, it's just stupid. Why should she have to. She did not like having a swasttka on her sandwich, so she complained. It isn't about morality police, it's about someone acting in an unprofessional manner.


This joke is the same as graffiti or vandalism. Its an attempt to troll someone for fun. I would never write a swastika on someones food. WHAT IF SHE WAS JEWISH, she could have sued the company

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Postby Keyboard Warriors » Thu Aug 14, 2014 12:39 am

Aurora Novus wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
It was a joke?

See, I've spent my whole life enjoying comedy. I've even written some comedic material that proved reasonably popular for a local theater group. Comedy is one of the things that I consider sacred in life. I'm always open to new types of humor.

Explain the joke to me.


The absurdity of something like that is funny. It's funny because it's ridiculous. It's so out there. A hidden buttered swastika? That's funny.

It doesn't have to be some rigorously thought-out joke to be funny. Some things are funny because of how silly and absurd they are.

Evidently she, and you, don't find it funny. I'm not asking you to find it funny. I'm saying that you should recognize it for what it is; stupid humor. And to not treat it like some moral outrage, as she has. That's not stupid funny, that's just stupid.

She should've just eaten her sandwhich and gone about her day. Instead she had to try and harm someone else's, because she couldn't stand the thought of not being the morality police.

"Coz itz funny lol" is not and has never been an excuse for anything. I know if you actually find a swastika drawn on a sandwich funny, there'll never be any agreement between us on what actually constitutes funny so I won't bother going down that path. Although I'm curious as to why she should be shamed for exercising her right to voice her opinion on the matter. And why she shouldn't feel compelled to report unprofessional behavior on the part of an employee to the manager.

Hopefully I don't have to convince you how unprofessional it is to draw controversial symbols on consumer products.
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Postby Princess Anna of Arendelle » Thu Aug 14, 2014 12:41 am

Keyboard Warriors wrote:
Aurora Novus wrote:
The absurdity of something like that is funny. It's funny because it's ridiculous. It's so out there. A hidden buttered swastika? That's funny.

It doesn't have to be some rigorously thought-out joke to be funny. Some things are funny because of how silly and absurd they are.

Evidently she, and you, don't find it funny. I'm not asking you to find it funny. I'm saying that you should recognize it for what it is; stupid humor. And to not treat it like some moral outrage, as she has. That's not stupid funny, that's just stupid.

She should've just eaten her sandwhich and gone about her day. Instead she had to try and harm someone else's, because she couldn't stand the thought of not being the morality police.

"Coz itz funny lol" is not and has never been an excuse for anything. I know if you actually find a swastika drawn on a sandwich funny, there'll never be any agreement between us on what actually constitutes funny so I won't bother going down that path. Although I'm curious as to why she should be shamed for exercising her right to voice her opinion on the matter. And why she shouldn't feel compelled to report unprofessional behavior on the part of an employee to the manager.

Hopefully I don't have to convince you how unprofessional it is to draw controversial symbols on consumer products.


Exactly, the lack of professionalism is all too common

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Postby Keyboard Warriors » Thu Aug 14, 2014 12:41 am

Princess Anna of Arendelle wrote:
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No it really isn't. All it is is stupid. It isn't stupid humor, it's just stupid. Why should she have to. She did not like having a swasttka on her sandwich, so she complained. It isn't about morality police, it's about someone acting in an unprofessional manner.


This joke is the same as graffiti or vandalism. Its an attempt to troll someone for fun. I would never write a swastika on someones food. WHAT IF SHE WAS JEWISH, she could have sued the company

Graffiti or vandalism isn't funny. Neither is punching someone in the face or stomping on their cellphone. If you find graffiti or vandalism funny, you have my pity.
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