NSG Senate Chamber [NSG Senate] - Version 4

[Sahrani DR]

Solution, if we bomb the place back to the stone age we won't get anymore letters.

Not only is this highly illegal, but my house is in there!

I'm glad i am not in your shoes.

[The Nihilistic view]

Resolution Respecting the Illegal Deployment of Forces by the Russian Federation against the Ukraine
Author: Alexander Ainin [NDP] | SIMBEDS Category: International Relations | Urgency: Utmost
Sponsors: Friedrich von Hohenzollern [RG], Robert Glasgia [MSP, Opp. Leader], Erich Malgrave [MSP]
James Brit [Ind.], Rupert Weinthal [ALM, VP], Emilia Nuckerberg [ALM, MoJ], Joshua Burchett [RG]
Emmanuel Esora [CP], John Geil [NDP]

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The Senate of the Aurentine Commonwealth,

Decrying the flagrant violation of both customary and statutory international law undertaken by the Russian Federation in its illegal deployment of forces in the Ukrainian devolved territory of Crimea,

Noting the Russian Federation's obligations under the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe (Helsinki Declaration) and the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances, both of which it has violated with impunity in the past few days,

Urging the government of Aurentina to stand with the people of Ukraine against Russian intimidation,

Hereby enacts the following resolution:

Regarding Diplomatic Missions
This resolution urges the Minister of Foreign Affairs to recall the head Aurentine diplomat currently stationed in the Russian Federation.
The resolution also urges the President of the Aurentine Commonwealth to declare the head of the Russian diplomatic mission in Aurentina persona non granta and to order him to vacate the territory of the Aurentine Commonwealth immediately.

Regarding Finances
This resolution urges and advises the Minister of the Exchequer to order all assets belonging to members of the Russian Federation Council that voted AYE to authorising a military deployment in the Ukraine and to members of President Vladimir Putin's inner circle, as well as his, frozen.

Other Repercussions
The resolution advises and urges the Ministers of Justice, the Interior and Defence to cancel any military or law enforcement exercise planned to be held in collaboration with Russian authorities.

Enactment
This resolution is affirmed to be non-binding on the Government of Aurentina.

Current bill up for debate. Counting last two now.

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

As I have said earlier. I would not be making an international precedent by ordering the freezing of assets due to the Members of Russian parmiament voting for during something that accordaing to their way of thinking is right. They have committed no crime with their votes so my official stance as minister of finance is that the following part of the current bill will not happen.

Regarding Finances
This resolution urges and advises the Minister of the Exchequer to order all assets belonging to members of the Russian Federation Council that voted AYE to authorising a military deployment in the Ukraine and to members of President Vladimir Putin's inner circle, as well as his, frozen.

[Oneracon]

As I have said earlier. I would not be making an international precedent by ordering the freezing of assets due to the Members of Russian parmiament voting for during something that accordaing to their way of thinking is right. They have committed no crime with their votes so my official stance as minister of finance is that the following part of the current bill will not happen.

The bill is a non-binding resolution, it doesn't require anyone to do anything.

[Phocidaea]

I believe this has enough sponsors to be added (I may be wrong):

First Amendment to the 23 November Act

Urgency: Moderate | Author: Phocidaea (NDP) | Category: Law and Order
[b]Sponsors: Oneracon (RG), Resora (CP), Geilinor (NDP), Uiiop (NDP)

The Senate of Aurentina,

ACKNOWLEDGING the threat terrorism and organised crime pose to Aurentina;
APPALLED at the potential for abuse of power stemming from the following language in the 23 November Act:

With the approval of a judge of the Supreme Court of Aurentina and the Chief Prosecutor of the Commonwealth Prosecution Service, the Minister of the Interior may outlaw an organisation it deems terrorist or part of an organised crime network.

HEREBY AMENDS the act as follows:

1. The section reading:

With the approval of a judge of the Supreme Court of Aurentina and the Chief Prosecutor of the Commonwealth Prosecution Service, the Minister of the Interior may outlaw an organisation it deems terrorist or part of an organised crime network.

Shall be struck out, and replaced with the following:

The Minister of the Interior, with the approval of a judge of the Supreme Court of Aurentina and the Chief Prosecutor of the Commonwealth Prosecution Service, may call a special session of the Senate to decide by simple majority whether to outlaw an organisation as a terrorist or organised crime organisation.

Queue pimping.

I will be most displeased if we get to the relevant category and this is excluded on a technicality. Is there any precedent for what happens if a bill is submitted before a category goes to vote but is ignored?

[Lamaredia]

As I have said earlier. I would not be making an international precedent by ordering the freezing of assets due to the Members of Russian parmiament voting for during something that accordaing to their way of thinking is right. They have committed no crime with their votes so my official stance as minister of finance is that the following part of the current bill will not happen.

Regarding Finances
This resolution urges and advises the Minister of the Exchequer to order all assets belonging to members of the Russian Federation Council that voted AYE to authorising a military deployment in the Ukraine and to members of President Vladimir Putin's inner circle, as well as his, frozen.

So because a murderer believes that he has done nothing wrong by murdering someone, you shouldn't prosecute them? Do you realize that that is what you are saying right now? Jesus Christ, you're unbelievable.

[Lamaredia]

I believe this has enough sponsors to be added (I may be wrong):

First Amendment to the 23 November Act

Urgency: Moderate | Author: Phocidaea (NDP) | Category: Law and Order
[b]Sponsors: Oneracon (RG), Resora (CP), Geilinor (NDP), Uiiop (NDP)

The Senate of Aurentina,

ACKNOWLEDGING the threat terrorism and organised crime pose to Aurentina;
APPALLED at the potential for abuse of power stemming from the following language in the 23 November Act:

HEREBY AMENDS the act as follows:

1. The section reading:

Shall be struck out, and replaced with the following:

Queue pimping.

I will be most displeased if we get to the relevant category and this is excluded on a technicality. Is there any precedent for what happens if a bill is submitted before a category goes to vote but is ignored?

I'll add it mate.

EDIT: Added.

[Phocidaea]

Queue pimping.

I will be most displeased if we get to the relevant category and this is excluded on a technicality. Is there any precedent for what happens if a bill is submitted before a category goes to vote but is ignored?

I'll add it mate.

EDIT: Added.

Thank you.

[Lamaredia]

I'll add it mate.

EDIT: Added.

Thank you.

No problem.

[Oneracon]

So... are we voting/debating something soon?

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

As I have said earlier. I would not be making an international precedent by ordering the freezing of assets due to the Members of Russian parmiament voting for during something that accordaing to their way of thinking is right. They have committed no crime with their votes so my official stance as minister of finance is that the following part of the current bill will not happen.

Regarding Finances
This resolution urges and advises the Minister of the Exchequer to order all assets belonging to members of the Russian Federation Council that voted AYE to authorising a military deployment in the Ukraine and to members of President Vladimir Putin's inner circle, as well as his, frozen.

So because a murderer believes that he has done nothing wrong by murdering someone, you shouldn't prosecute them? Do you realize that that is what you are saying right now? Jesus Christ, you're unbelievable.

Continue to cry if you want at will. I will not freeze the funding of people due to them voting to do something that they believe it is right especially considering there have been not a single bullet fired from their vote.
What this will give is the pretext to any government to freeze the accounts of members of parliament or senators world wide due to them voting for something or they do not like or voting against something they would like to see happen.
Again. Not happening.

[The Nihilistic view]

Chemical Safety Act passes 22-2, 5 abstain.
Repeal Alcohol Minimum Pricing Act passes 17-11, 2 abstain.

[Oneracon]

So because a murderer believes that he has done nothing wrong by murdering someone, you shouldn't prosecute them? Do you realize that that is what you are saying right now? Jesus Christ, you're unbelievable.

Continue to cry if you want at will. I will not freeze the funding of people due to them voting to do something that they believe it is right especially considering there have been not a single bullet fired from their vote.

They've been firing "warning shots" at international monitors trying to enter Crimea.[/quote]

What this will give is the pretext to any government to freeze the accounts of members of parliament or senators world wide due to them voting for something or they do not like or voting against something they would like to see happen.
Again. Not happening.

Countries freeze the assets of foreign leaders and governments all the time, currently both the US and the EU are contemplating freezing any assets held by members of the Russian government.

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

Continue to cry if you want at will. I will not freeze the funding of people due to them voting to do something that they believe it is right especially considering there have been not a single bullet fired from their vote.

They've been firing "warning shots" at international monitors trying to enter Crimea.

What this will give is the pretext to any government to freeze the accounts of members of parliament or senators world wide due to them voting for something or they do not like or voting against something they would like to see happen.
Again. Not happening.

Countries freeze the assets of foreign leaders and governments all the time, currently both the US and the EU are contemplating freezing any assets held by members of the Russian government.[/quote]
But they have not yet done that. As long as something like that does not happen I will not put a neutral country like Aurentina to go with sanctions first.

[The Nihilistic view]

One just ends up with a tit for tat, a lot of pissed off people on both sides and nothing changing. If anything it would make the Russians more stubborn.

[Oneracon]

One just ends up with a tit for tat, a lot of pissed off people on both sides and nothing changing. If anything it would make the Russians more stubborn.

Taking into account that they just invaded a sovereign nation's territory abruptly and without warning, I think stubborn Russians are the least of our problems.

[Malgrave]

Continue to cry if you want at will. I will not freeze the funding of people due to them voting to do something that they believe it is right especially considering there have been not a single bullet fired from their vote.

I think you misunderstand the reasoning behind the proposed resolution. We are voting to punish these representatives for openly violating international law by infringing upon Ukrainian territorial integrity. It is explained in the resolution that by deploying military forces in Ukraine they have broken a multitude of international treaties surrounding territorial sovereignty and the deployment of troops in the Crimea.

What this will give is the pretext to any government to freeze the accounts of members of parliament or senators world wide due to them voting for something or they do not like or voting against something they would like to see happen.
Again. Not happening.

Don't leap to illogical slippery slop arguments Senator. We're recommending assets freezes not because we don't like the result of the vote but because the vote permitted the breaking of international law and threatened to escalate the situation.

[The Nihilistic view]

One just ends up with a tit for tat, a lot of pissed off people on both sides and nothing changing. If anything it would make the Russians more stubborn.

Taking into account that they just invaded a sovereign nation's territory abruptly and without warning, I think stubborn Russians are the least of our problems.

Ok so you see no issue with making the leaders of a nation that just in invaded a nation you want them out of more suborn? Did you think that through before posting it?

[Malgrave]

Continue to cry if you want at will. I will not freeze the funding of people due to them voting to do something that they believe it is right especially considering there have been not a single bullet fired from their vote.

They've been firing "warning shots" at international monitors trying to enter Crimea.

What this will give is the pretext to any government to freeze the accounts of members of parliament or senators world wide due to them voting for something or they do not like or voting against something they would like to see happen.
Again. Not happening.

Countries freeze the assets of foreign leaders and governments all the time, currently both the US and the EU are contemplating freezing any assets held by members of the Russian government.[/quote]

The United States has already implemented certain sanctions on personal it deems responsible for the illegal deployment of troops in the Crimea. We should follow the example of our American counterparts and sanction those responsible for the illegal invasion.

[The Nihilistic view]

We have a policy of neutrality in things that don't directly concern us. I am fairly sure most of the people now pushing for acting voted in favour of the bill that said that given that it passed by such a large margin. So why are you incapable of being neutral now?

I opposed the Declaration of neutrality but now it's law we should stay out of anything that does not concern us. Perhaps the situation in Crimea shows what a mistake making a declaration of neutrality is and we should repeal it.

[East Ormania]

This is actually the only time the declaration of neutrality actually pays off.

We shouldn't get involved militarily in neither side if we don't want our asses kicked left, right and center.

[Britanno]

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Can I submit this please?

[Haelunor]

Great work on the Constitution guys.

[The Nihilistic view]

I am launching a petition here to queue jump the constitution bill to top of the queue to be debated on immediately. According to the current REA such a bill petition needs 7 signatures to go before the president.

[Beta Test]

I am launching a petition here to queue jump the constitution bill to top of the queue to be debated on immediately. According to the current REA such a bill petition needs 7 signatures to go before the president.

I'll put my signature down.