NSG Senate Chamber [NSG Senate] - Version 4

[The State of Czecho-Slovakia]

Duty to Retreat Act - NAY
Court Transparency Act - ABSTAIN
Prohibition of Youth Castration - NAY
Crimes Against Humanity Act - AYE
On the Fair Admission of Justice - AYE
Good Samaritan Law - AYE
First Amendment to the National Intelligencery Establishment Act - AYE
First Amendment to the Bestiality (Zoophilia) Act - NAY

[Libertechie]

DRA - Nay
CTA - Abstain
PYC - Nay (Morgan Freeman isn't worthy)
CHA - Aye
OFAJ - Aye
GSL - Aye
FANIEA- Aye
FABA - Aye

So many ayes from the LPA :')

Change FABA to NAY.

[Chelta]

AYE:
Court Transparency Act
Crimes Against Humanity Act
On the Fair Admission of Justice
Good Samaritan Law
First Amendment to the National Intelligencery Establishment Act
First Amendment to the Bestiality (Zoophilia) Act

NAY:
Duty to Retreat Act
Prohibition of Youth Castration Act

[Belmaria]

After carefully re-reading the Duty to Retreat Act, I have spotted a couple lines that I don't approve of.

Therefore I am changing my vote from AYE to NAY.

[Nevanmaa]

Duty to Retreat Act: NAY
Court Transparency Act: NAY
Prohibition of Youth Castration: NAY
Crimes Against Humanity Act: NAY
On the Fair Admission of Justice: NAY. If infants commit crimes, they sure as hell should be prosecuted. I don't give a damn about their age.
Good Samaritan Law: AYE
First Amendment to the National Intelligencery Establishment Act: AYE
First Amendment to the Bestiality (Zoophilia) Act: NAY

[Phocidaea]

Doesn't ex post facto only refer to the crime itself, not the punishment? I also struggle to see the ethical problem when the commuted punishment is more lenient than the original.

Nope it refers to sentencing as well. and No the new bill is harsher sentencing.

In what way is having to see a psychiatrist for a longer period more severe than effectively being banned from even being near animals for the rest of one's life?

[Celritannia]

Duty to Retreat Act: NAY
Court Transparency Act: NAY
Prohibition of Youth Castration: NAY
Crimes Against Humanity Act: NAY
On the Fair Admission of Justice: NAY. If infants commit crimes, they sure as hell should be prosecuted. I don't give a damn about their age.
Good Samaritan Law: AYE
First Amendment to the National Intelligencery Establishment Act: AYE
First Amendment to the Bestiality (Zoophilia) Act: NAY

So senator, if a 6 year old accidentally causes harm to someone, let me use the example of a playground fight, they should be sentenced? I must admit senator, this is harsh and cruel. Children will always cause harm when they are young, it is a time for them to develop. Until they acquire a sense of reason and able to differentiate between right and wrong, they should not be punished by the state.

[The Nihilistic view]

Nope it refers to sentencing as well. and No the new bill is harsher sentencing.

In what way is having to see a psychiatrist for a longer period more severe than effectively being banned from even being near animals for the rest of one's life?

Your forgetting the clause that is changed is being done because of a loophole it contained. Therefore it's wrong to use ex-post facto.

[Zurkerx]

I would like to add this to the queue under Domestic Development.

Aurentina Television Network Revision Act

Urgency: Moderate| Author(s): Zurkerx (LPA)| Co-Author(s): The Nihilistic view(ALM)| Category: Domestic Development

Co-sponsors: The Liberated Territories [LPA], New Zepuha [ALM], Belmaria [LPA], Panmerica [LPA]

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RECOGNIZING that the Aurentisë Televisënetwörk was nationalized by the government in the year 2013.

Understanding that the Aurentisë Televisënetwörk was nationalized to keep it afloat.

Believing that a purely government funded television network is suspectable to both bias and propaganda actions to whatever party or coalition that currently rules.

NOTING that the Aurentisë Televisënetwörk spends an unnecessary amount of money which can be directed at more important things.

ALSO NOTING it requires tax payer money to keep Aurentisë Televisënetwörk funded.

ALSO BELIEVING that less of a burden will not only be put on the Citizens of Aurentina, but the Aurentine Government as well.

REALIZING that the Aurentisë Televisënetwörk can survive through other means of funding.

HEREBY ENACTS the following clauses:

Clause 1- Aurentisë Televisënetwörk will no longer be funded by the Aurentine Government.

Clause 2- Aurentisë Televisënetwörk will use license fees as its form of making revenue.

Clause 3- The license fees for the Aurentisë Televisënetwörk will be optional for the people of Aurentina.

Clause 4- Those who don't subscribe to Aurentisë Televisënetwörk will not be charged the license fee and will not receive the ATN Channel.

THE FOLLOWING is define:

-Property will be define as any suitable living area or business as such:

1. A House.
2. A Business of any sort.

FUNDING will be proceeded by license fees by those who subscribe as followed:

-Employed people the ages of 21 to 65 whether a home owner, leaseholder, or business owner; shall pay £150 per year.

-Employed people between the ages of 18 to 21 and 65 to 80 that are a home owner, leaseholder, or business owner, shall pay £75 per year.

-Employed, unemployed, or retired people above the age 80 and under the age of 18 that are a home owner, leaseholder, or business owner, shall pay £0.

-In the case of the leaseholder, they must pay the license fee for each property that they lease.

-The leaseholder's age will depend on the amount paid for each property.

-Other occupants living with the leaseholder, home owner, or business owner do not have pay or subscribe to the license fee.

-All payment will be done on an annual basis.

FINES will be define as follow:

-Those found illegally tuning in to Aurentisë Televisënetwörk without a license will be fined £250.

THIS LAW shall take affect immediately once passed.

[President Pro-Tempore of the Senate]

AYE:
Court Transparency Act
Crimes Against Humanity Act
On the Fair Admission of Justice
Good Samaritan Law
First Amendment to the National Intelligencery Establishment Act
First Amendment to the Bestiality (Zoophilia) Act

NAY:
Duty to Retreat Act
Prohibition of Youth Castration Act

Voting ended a few hours ago. All votes cast after this one were done after the 48 hour limit had expired and so are annulled. this is the last valid ballot.

Either myself or the secretary will do the official count over the next few hours. But you may begin debating section b below.

- Special Commission Act
- Judicial Omnibus Act
- First Amendment to The Criminal Code of the Aurentine Commonwealth
- Local Government Act
- Repeal the Protection of Workers Act (RPWA)
- First Amendment of the Name Control and Registration Act
- 23 November Act

[The Liberated Territories]

Finally, the long awaited local government act. This will go hand in hand with the railways act. Also reduce the bureaucracy on the federal level.

Also, did Nevan actually vote against CAHA 0.o

[Aragon-Francho]

Duty to Retreat Act: NAY
Court Transparency Act: NAY
Prohibition of Youth Castration: NAY
Crimes Against Humanity Act: NAY
On the Fair Admission of Justice: NAY. If infants commit crimes, they sure as hell should be prosecuted. I don't give a damn about their age.
Good Samaritan Law: AYE
First Amendment to the National Intelligencery Establishment Act: AYE
First Amendment to the Bestiality (Zoophilia) Act: NAY

So senator, if a 6 year old accidentally causes harm to someone, let me use the example of a playground fight, they should be sentenced? I must admit senator, this is harsh and cruel. Children will always cause harm when they are young, it is a time for them to develop. Until they acquire a sense of reason and able to differentiate between right and wrong, they should not be punished by the state.

I would think the judge would be a bit more merciful and just send him to therapist.

[The Nihilistic view]

Finally, the long awaited local government act. This will go hand in hand with the railways act. Also reduce the bureaucracy on the federal level.

Also, did Nevan actually vote against CAHA 0.o

The local government act I believe may conflict with the provisions of local governments in the constitutional convention. So whilst I am for local governments I believe that we should all vote Nay to this act to avoid confusion and trouble latter.

[The Liberated Territories]

Finally, the long awaited local government act. This will go hand in hand with the railways act. Also reduce the bureaucracy on the federal level.

Also, did Nevan actually vote against CAHA 0.o

The local government act I believe may conflict with the provisions of local governments in the constitutional convention. So whilst I am for local governments I believe that we should all vote Nay to this act to avoid confusion and trouble latter.

I disagree. I want to pass it through now and modify the former after to work.

[Belmaria]

The local government act I believe may conflict with the provisions of local governments in the constitutional convention. So whilst I am for local governments I believe that we should all vote Nay to this act to avoid confusion and trouble latter.

I disagree. I want to pass it through now and modify the former after to work.

I could support that.

[The Nihilistic view]

The local government act I believe may conflict with the provisions of local governments in the constitutional convention. So whilst I am for local governments I believe that we should all vote Nay to this act to avoid confusion and trouble latter.

I disagree. I want to pass it through now and modify the former after to work.

I don't believe it's a good idea to mess with the process of the convention. It's taking long enough as it is now, adding more work is just going to make it take even longer.

[The Neo-Confederate States of America]

What is the current vote count for the bills we have just voted on?

[President Pro-Tempore of the Senate]

The Right Honorable Otto Karl Ludwig Graf von Tyrannien is confirmed as the Prime Minister.

[Maklohi Vai]

The Right Honorable Otto Karl Ludwig Graf von Tyrannien is confirmed as the Prime Minister.

Congratulations to the candidate, and as I said in my speech: prove me wrong.

[The Nihilistic view]

OOC: got an early morning appointment. So will count the bills when I get back in a couple of hours.

[Costa Fierro]

The local government act I believe may conflict with the provisions of local governments in the constitutional convention.

Except that none of what is said in the constitutional convention is either enshrined in law or finalized. We don't have a proper, functioning and ratified constitution ergo we can vote for and pass legislation pertaining to internal governance as the person who creates said laws see fit.

Said convention is not the be all and end all of law, senator. It's a very, very poor excuse for doing away with what everyone else can see as a necessary and useful bill.

[Costa Fierro]

I don't believe it's a good idea to mess with the process of the convention.

Why? It won't mess with anything. Once this bill passes, all you have to do is remove whatever clauses you have and leave it be.

[The Nihilistic view]

OOC: got an early morning appointment. So will count the bills when I get back in a couple of hours.

Counting.

[The Nihilistic view]

Duty to Retreat Act Fails 15-15, 2 abstains.
Court Transparency Act passes 19-6, 7 abstains.
Prohibition of Youth Castration Act Passes 13-12, 7 abstains and 1 annulled.
Crimes Against Humanity Act Passes 26-5, 1 abstain.
On the Fair Admission of Justice passes 23-9, 1 abstain.
Good Samaritan Law passes 20-5, 8 abstain.
First Amendment to the National Intelligencery Establishment Act passes 22-2, 9 abstain.
First Amendment to the Bestiality (Zoophilia) Act Fails 11-14, 7 abstain.

[The Nihilistic view]

Glad to see enough people believe Ex-post facto is wrong. And NB time to veto PYC.