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[The Nihilistic view]

It's does because the president has the power to create ministries. He has created it so it's lawful.

No, he doesn't. The President is head of state, it's the Prime Minister that creates ministries. And until said ministries are codified, you can't really defer it powers, since the next PM could very well abolish it.

Yes you can defer powers to it, the next one can do what they like but that does not effect what is now. The ministry exists so it can have powers given to it.

Any ministry can be un-codified so that argument does not stand as a reason not to do it.

[Maklohi Vai]

This is absolutely ridiculous and overly expensive. No country, not even the United States, keeps a separate ambassador and embassy for every country that it recognizes and has diplomatic relations with. There's simply no need, and the costs are far too great. Furthermore, just because you recognize a country does not mean you have diplomatic relations with it. I love the concept behind this, and I applaud you for it, but I'm not at all happy with its current form. I'd recommend that you edit this clause accordingly before re-posting.

No, we should have one in almost every country, they are there to help our citizens overseas primarily if they get into trouble from anything from being arrested to loosing a passport. don't have an embassy and these citizens have nowhere to go and nobody to help them.

Ever heard of a primary consulate? This is when an ambassador covers multiple countries and only has an embassy in one, but has consulates in others controlling the minor affairs of that country. They can help out citizens just like an embassy could.

https://www.gov.uk/government/world/organisations Britain has one in virtually every country in the world, not to necessarily for diplomatic relations but to helps it's citizens in trouble. That's about 190 ish below. This is the only way to properly provide consular services to or citizens in foreign lands. It's pretty much just the tiny islands the UK does not have a presence on or other countries overseas possessions.

Something similar to this is what I'd advocate for Aurentina. Notice how you said "virtually every country," which does not mean, under any circumstances, "every country" as used in the bill at hand. I believe in having ministries in virtually every country, but not every single country.

[The New Sea Territory]

Let's just say if you dare to try to even think of nationalizing my land, I will bring every little piece of your existence within the Senate down as a personal vendetta.

I'm genuinely curious how you can achieve that, so...

Galt's Gulch Expropriation Act
Author: Ainin [NDP] | SIMBEDS: Domestic Development | Urgency: High
Sponsors: Kouralia, New Zepuha [ALM], Malgrave [MSP], Unicario [RG]

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The Senate of the Aurentine Commonwealth,

Decrying the lax management and regulation of the gulch in Southwestern Aurentina commonly known as "Galt's Gulch",

Believing the land would be much better used to be enjoyed by tourists as a park,

Hereby enacts the following clauses:

1. Effective immediately, Galt's Gulch, whose limits are to be determined by geological and topological data as the dry valley, excluding the neighbouring mountains, shall be nationalised.
2. Its current owners shall be compensated £100/km².
3. The territory shall be renamed Anthony C. Blair National Park, to be managed by the National Forestry Service.

Your not nationalizing my land. Period. Theft of private property. Not happening.

[Maklohi Vai]

I'm genuinely curious how you can achieve that, so...

Galt's Gulch Expropriation Act
Author: Ainin [NDP] | SIMBEDS: Domestic Development | Urgency: High
Sponsors: Kouralia, New Zepuha [ALM], Malgrave [MSP], Unicario [RG]

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The Senate of the Aurentine Commonwealth,

Decrying the lax management and regulation of the gulch in Southwestern Aurentina commonly known as "Galt's Gulch",

Believing the land would be much better used to be enjoyed by tourists as a park,

Hereby enacts the following clauses:

1. Effective immediately, Galt's Gulch, whose limits are to be determined by geological and topological data as the dry valley, excluding the neighbouring mountains, shall be nationalised.
2. Its current owners shall be compensated £100/km².
3. The territory shall be renamed Anthony C. Blair National Park, to be managed by the National Forestry Service.

Your not nationalizing my land. Period. Theft of private property. Not happening.

*admin hat on*

When did you establish in canon that this land was your private property?

[Minarchist States]

I'm genuinely curious how you can achieve that, so...

Galt's Gulch Expropriation Act
Author: Ainin [NDP] | SIMBEDS: Domestic Development | Urgency: High
Sponsors: Kouralia, New Zepuha [ALM], Malgrave [MSP], Unicario [RG]

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The Senate of the Aurentine Commonwealth,

Decrying the lax management and regulation of the gulch in Southwestern Aurentina commonly known as "Galt's Gulch",

Believing the land would be much better used to be enjoyed by tourists as a park,

Hereby enacts the following clauses:

1. Effective immediately, Galt's Gulch, whose limits are to be determined by geological and topological data as the dry valley, excluding the neighbouring mountains, shall be nationalised.
2. Its current owners shall be compensated £100/km².
3. The territory shall be renamed Anthony C. Blair National Park, to be managed by the National Forestry Service.

Your not nationalizing my land. Period. Theft of private property. Not happening.

It's already in queue. I made up another bill to combat it.

Want to help draw up a map?

[Geilinor]

Your not nationalizing my land. Period. Theft of private property. Not happening.

*admin hat on*

When did you establish in canon that this land was your private property?

*admin hat also on*
You cannot claim that the land is yours without establishing how you acquired it.

[The Union of the West]

Tariff Regulation Act
Category: Business and Finance | Urgency: Moderate
Authors: The Union of the West [RefP], Prussia-Steinbach [IP]
Sponsors: Minarchist States [LPA], Geilinor [NDP], Divitaen [CMP], Corenea [RefP], Distruzio [CMP], New Zepuha [ALM], Calimera II [RefP], The IASM [IP]

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The Aurentine Senate,

REALISING that tariffs tend to adversely distort consumer prices on some goods which are basic necessities of living,

BELIEVING that no one should have to pay a tariff on basic amenities,

RECOGNISING that certain imported products from foreign producers better satisfy consumer tastes and preferences,

Hereby passes the following measures:

Defines:

1. Food as any non-liquid substance consumed in order to provide sustenance and basic subsistence.
2. Beverage as any liquid substance consumed in order to provide sustenance and basic subsistence.
3. Clothing as any fibre or textile material used to cover or adorn the body.
4. Medicinal Good as any product that is used in treatment or prevention of disease.
5. Tariff as a tax on an imported good.
6. Alcoholic Beverage as any beverage containing alcohol.
7. Custom-Made Clothing as clothing made according to the specifications of an individual purchaser.
8. Lavish Clothing as clothing that is sumptuously rich, elaborate, or luxurious, as decided by the Ministry of Customs.
9. Lavish Food as food that is sumptuously rich, elaborate, or luxurious, as decided by the Ministry of Customs.
   

Exempts the following from all tariffs, with exceptions defined below:

1. Food
2. Beverages
3. Clothing
4. Medicinal Goods

Exempts the following from the aforementioned tariff exemptions:

1. Alcoholic Beverages
2. Custom-Made Clothing
3. Lavish Clothing
4. Lavish Foods

Pruss and I's bill. I won't submit until he gives his approval, so any more sponsors?

[Minarchist States]

Under his history in the senate database he put that he had grown up and lived there prior to becoming a senator, and somehow the land as a whole came into hands of the GGOP hence the name.

[Maklohi Vai]

Under his history in the senate database he put that he had grown up and lived there prior to becoming a senator,

Ok, fine.

and somehow the land as a whole came into hands of the GGOP hence the name.

This is where the problem lies.

[The Union of the West]

Is there a bill that requires just compensation for any land that the government takes?

[Geilinor]

Under his history in the senate database he put that he had grown up and lived there prior to becoming a senator, and somehow the land as a whole came into hands of the GGOP hence the name.

Somehow? Purchased, inherited, seized, what?

[Libertechie]

These discounts are certainly getting me in the mood for Americanos, I must say.

[Maklohi Vai]

Is there a bill that requires just compensation for any land that the government takes?

Some people have argued that the LLA did so with this clause:

(11) No one can be deprived of property, unless demanded by public necessity, legally constituted, and under the condition of a just and prior compensation,

[The Union of the West]

These discounts are certainly getting me in the mood for Americanos, I must say.

OOC: Nice flag!

[The Nihilistic view]

Is there a bill that requires just compensation for any land that the government takes?

Some people have argued that the LLA did so with this clause:

(11) No one can be deprived of property, unless demanded by public necessity, legally constituted, and under the condition of a just and prior compensation,

Just, compensation would mean that either the owner of the land would agree to give it to the state or the market rate must be paid in the nationalization. £100 per KM/sq is not the market rate for land.

[Calimera II]

Is there a bill that requires just compensation for any land that the government takes?

Some people have argued that the LLA did so with this clause:

(11) No one can be deprived of property, unless demanded by public necessity, legally constituted, and under the condition of a just and prior compensation,

And a "just" compensation should be based on the market value of the disputed land.

[Minarchist States]

Under his history in the senate database he put that he had grown up and lived there prior to becoming a senator, and somehow the land as a whole came into hands of the GGOP hence the name.

Somehow? Purchased, inherited, seized, what?

Ok, I dug up more info. Galt's Gulch was an area in southwestern Aurentina compromising four districts. These districts were served, not owned, by four senators in the GGOP. The people of these districts wanted to secede, but the act was rejected by the senate. So no, the lands of GG aren't as barren as I thought, nor they were owned by any public entity - making all three bills illegal. There was a link to another thread with more info, but apparently it got eaten up by the F7 machine.

[The Union of the West]

Is there a bill that requires just compensation for any land that the government takes?

Some people have argued that the LLA did so with this clause:

(11) No one can be deprived of property, unless demanded by public necessity, legally constituted, and under the condition of a just and prior compensation,

Wait a second. When a person's income is taxed, do they receive just and prior compensation?

[Libertechie]

These discounts are certainly getting me in the mood for Americanos, I must say.

OOC: Nice flag!

OOC: Aww shucks! I feel kinda proud of it, put a lot of effort into, thanks for recognizing :')

[The Nihilistic view]

Some people have argued that the LLA did so with this clause:

(11) No one can be deprived of property, unless demanded by public necessity, legally constituted, and under the condition of a just and prior compensation,

Wait a second. When a person's income is taxed, do they receive just and prior compensation?

What?

[The Union of the West]

Wait a second. When a person's income is taxed, do they receive just and prior compensation?

What?

Income tax takes property, and according to this, there has to be just and prior compensation. Is this requirement being met?

[The Nihilistic view]

Somehow? Purchased, inherited, seized, what?

Ok, I dug up more info. Galt's Gulch was an area in southwestern Aurentina compromising four districts. These districts were served, not owned, by four senators in the GGOP. The people of these districts wanted to secede, but the act was rejected by the senate. So no, the lands of GG aren't as barren as I thought, nor they were owned by any public entity - making all three bills illegal. There was a link to another thread with more info, but apparently it got eaten up by the F7 machine.

So New Sea Territory might own a lot of land there but there is also other citizens and towns of people that live, work and own property there?

[The Union of the West]

Ok, I dug up more info. Galt's Gulch was an area in southwestern Aurentina compromising four districts. These districts were served, not owned, by four senators in the GGOP. The people of these districts wanted to secede, but the act was rejected by the senate. So no, the lands of GG aren't as barren as I thought, nor they were owned by any public entity - making all three bills illegal. There was a link to another thread with more info, but apparently it got eaten up by the F7 machine.

So New Sea Territory might own a lot of land there but there is also other citizens and towns of people that live, work and own property there?

Sharecropping?

[Minarchist States]

Ok, I dug up more info. Galt's Gulch was an area in southwestern Aurentina compromising four districts. These districts were served, not owned, by four senators in the GGOP. The people of these districts wanted to secede, but the act was rejected by the senate. So no, the lands of GG aren't as barren as I thought, nor they were owned by any public entity - making all three bills illegal. There was a link to another thread with more info, but apparently it got eaten up by the F7 machine.

So New Sea Territory might own a lot of land there but there is also other citizens and towns of people that live, work and own property there?

Exactly. Both bills are illegal and I'll remove mine once Ainin removes his.

Hmm, now that GG has received so much attention I should make a thread about it...

[Geilinor]

Somehow? Purchased, inherited, seized, what?

Ok, I dug up more info. Galt's Gulch was an area in southwestern Aurentina compromising four districts. These districts were served, not owned, by four senators in the GGOP. The people of these districts wanted to secede, but the act was rejected by the senate. So no, the lands of GG aren't as barren as I thought, nor they were owned by any public entity - making all three bills illegal. There was a link to another thread with more info, but apparently it got eaten up by the F7 machine.

Yes, that does make all the bills illegal. GG is a district of Aurentina just like any other, so no single person owns it. It would be like expropriating Leishaagen, which is impossible.