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by Hatsunia » Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:09 pm
by Slafstopia » Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:10 pm
by Genivaria » Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:12 pm
Hatsunia wrote:So is the real question, "Why is America trading with a heavily authoritarian one-party state?"
Also, communism in theory =/= communism in practice.
by Benuty » Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:13 pm
by Slafstopia » Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:13 pm
by Rehansu Tir » Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:17 pm
Blasveck wrote:Saiwania wrote:China is not communist. Hell, I'd say that it is more capitalist than the US. That is why China's economy is quickly on the way to surpassing the rest of the world. Because the Chinese are shrewd, calculating, and have the willpower to win. Where Americans are failing, they will excel.
Except for the fact that China's economy is going to start collapsing in some odd years, unless they change their social policies.
by Ourisio » Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:18 pm
Luveria wrote:After a long session of deep thought, I've decided to use Ourisio's post as copypasta. It's got the marine sniper feel to it.
by Rehansu Tir » Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:20 pm
by Flenski » Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:20 pm
Regnum Dominae wrote:China isn't communist. They're somewhere in-between state-socialist and state-capitalist.
Cutting off trade with China would destroy the American economy.
by Flenski » Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:21 pm
by Rehansu Tir » Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:22 pm
Blasveck wrote:
I can't remember where I read it, but somewhere I read about the evolution of economies, and how America isn't supposed to be a "manufacturing" economy anymore.
It's supposed to be a "technology" and "smarts" economy.
Places like China take up the banner as "manufacturers".
But I'm probably wrong on this account.
by Arumdaum » Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:24 pm
North Korea has reserves of more than 200 mineral types distributed over 80% of its territory with ten reserves recording large deposits of magnetite, tungsten ore, graphite, gold ore, and molybdenum. Among the largest resources with more than 2 million tons of estimated reserve are: Zinc which tops the list with 21.1 million tons of estimated resource; followed by non-metallic resource of 21 million tons of limestone and magnesite 6 million tons; and other mineral sources such as iron 5 million tons, anthracite 4.5 million tons, copper 2.9 million tons, barite 2.1 million tons, gold and graphite also 2 million tons each.[1]
by Arumdaum » Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:26 pm
Stahn wrote:China is a dictatorship. They don't have free elections and joining labor unions is only allowed if they are state sanctioned.
Theoratically, a communist nation doesn't have to be totalitarian. But China clearly is.
It was Nixon by the way, that managed to open China's borders in order to trade with them. And if China is not communist now (hard to say as there is no generally accepted definition of communist) it absolutely was at the time of Nixon.
by Rehansu Tir » Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:28 pm
by Genivaria » Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:29 pm
Rehansu Tir wrote:Genivaria wrote:Communists don't really care for Monarchies.
neither do republics, yet the US has the Bushs, the clintons, the gores, the kennedys, etc, etc. Not to mention that americans are more obsessed with the british royal family than any of their subjects are. Americans have a serious inferiority complex when it comes to monarchy.
by Arumdaum » Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:31 pm
The Ben Boys wrote:First of all, China is communist in name only.
Second of all, and more important, why is a "communist" country trading with America?
by Fedeledland » Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:39 pm
The major (if only) country we trade often with is China.
My question is, why are we trading with them?
After WWII we, along with the other allied nations, try to stop communism and help form more Capitalistic countries. Do you agree that we should technically be trading with them, or do you support it, or is it unrealiliatic to stop? Questions, comments, concerns and prayers all welcome here
My vote is "no but in certain cases yes"
by Rehansu Tir » Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:39 pm
Flenski wrote:Regnum Dominae wrote:China isn't communist. They're somewhere in-between state-socialist and state-capitalist.
Cutting off trade with China would destroy the American economy.
The chinese socialist-capitalists fled to Taiwan (Formosa) After the chinese civil war (Before WWII-WWII and AfterWWII to 1950's)
leaving China to the control of Communist China. US trades with China for economy and better goods and toys.
by Rehansu Tir » Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:41 pm
Genivaria wrote:Rehansu Tir wrote:
neither do republics, yet the US has the Bushs, the clintons, the gores, the kennedys, etc, etc. Not to mention that americans are more obsessed with the british royal family than any of their subjects are. Americans have a serious inferiority complex when it comes to monarchy.
1. None of the listed names constitute a monarchy so I fail to see your point.
2. Blame Disney movies glorifying Princesses.
by Keronians » Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:44 pm
4years wrote:Keronians wrote:
1. Right, so you're one of those people who factor land as a part of capital? Well, I personally disagree with that, but I guess it can work. In any event, you don't think human capital exists? THAT really is economics 101. As for the rest of your paragraph, I'm going to have to ask you to insert proper punctuation and grammar because I can't understand anything as is.
2. The LTV does not factor in profit in the traditional sense. From what I have understood, it (incorrectly) mistakens profit for value added. The surplus labour time you mentioned is added value here.
1. You don't really get how economics work do you? Natural resources become capital when they are invested in and aren't relevant to value calculations otherwise. And your source even acknowledges that human capital (using a terrible definition of capital one might add) is a useless term for various other phenomenon.
2. Stop embrassing yourself. New value is only produced by human labour, profit is value produced by human labour beyond the cost of the human labour.
by Souriya Al-Assad » Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:47 pm
Flenski wrote:Genivaria wrote:Because trading is mutually beneficial. Why shouldn't we trade with them?
The chinese socialist-capitalists fled to Taiwan (Formosa) After the chinese civil war (Before WWII-WWII and AfterWWII to 1950's)
leaving China to the control of Communist China. US trades with China for economy and better goods and toys.
by Saiwania » Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:54 pm
Flenski wrote:US trades with China for economy and better goods and toys.
by Sibirsky » Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:09 pm
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