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Repeal SC#174 "Condemn Stujenske"

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Repeal SC#174 "Condemn Stujenske"

Postby Constie » Sat Apr 18, 2015 4:26 am

The Security Council,
Realizing that Stujenske is sitting and enjoying the new condemnation badge this nation has recived,

Wanting to make sure that this does not encourage Stujenske to further harm, such as banjecting natives of Lazarus,

Noting that when the outcome of the vote became irreversible, he banjected Harmonia one of the longest standing members of Lazarus,

Also noting that Krulltopia voted for "Condemn Stujenske" a nation whom is the Emperor of the Pacific the very region behind the coup in Lazarus,

Seeing that soon after, Stujenske began a wave of banjection, possibly under the pretext of expanding the new found infamy blowing around this tyrannical nation. At the time Stujenske had waning influence that had obviously taken a hit with Harmonia being banjected.

In Conclusion, all SC#174 did was encourage Stujenske to further harm through his newfound infamy. We must stop this if we are to bring an end to this puppet filled and tyrannical rule.
Because of this, the Security Council herby repeals SC#174 "Condemn Stujenske"
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Postby Goddess Relief Office » Sat Apr 18, 2015 4:57 am

Constie wrote:The Security Council,
Realizing that Stujenske is sitting and enjoying his new condemnation badge,



You're mistaken on two things. The reason for the condemn and its effects.

Yes, the condemn does give Stujenske a badge which he allegedly fancies, but this is not about him. The goal is to inform those WA natives in Lazarus who may still be in the dark about the situation about Stujenske. A player who logins once a week (which is 70 percent of all nations) may be disengaged from the RMB, he may have blocked all telegrams from recruiters and players alike, but the passage of the resolution will ensure a TG gets sent directly from NationStates WA. That telegram and the badge on Stu's page serve as reminders that this is not a nation worthy of supporting.

I don't believe Harmonia's ban had anything to do with the condemnation. Since before the condemn Stujenske had already banned ex-delegates DYP and KK.
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Postby Constie » Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:03 am

Goddess Relief Office wrote:
Constie wrote:The Security Council,
Realizing that Stujenske is sitting and enjoying his new condemnation badge,



You're mistaken on two things. The reason for the condemn and its effects.

Yes, the condemn does give Stujenske a badge which he allegedly fancies, but this is not about him. The goal is to inform those WA natives in Lazarus who may still be in the dark about the situation about Stujenske. A player who logins once a week (which is 70 percent of all nations) may be disengaged from the RMB, he may have blocked all telegrams from recruiters and players alike, but the passage of the resolution will ensure a TG gets sent directly from NationStates WA. That telegram and the badge on Stu's page serve as reminders that this is not a nation worthy of supporting.

I don't believe Harmonia's ban had anything to do with the condemnation. Since before the condemn Stujenske had already banned ex-delegates DYP and KK.

I feel like this can only encourage him to more action, plus, the WA telegram already went out so the condemnation is no longer needed

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Postby Bears Armed » Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:04 am

Constie wrote:The Security Council,
Realizing that Stujenske is sitting and enjoying his new condemnation badge,

Wanting to make sure that this does not encourage him to further harm, such as banjecting natives of Lazarus,

Noting that when the outcome of the vote became irreversible, he banjected Harmonia one of the longest standing members of Lazarus,

Also noting that Krulltopia voted for "Condemn Stujenske" a nation whom is the Emperor of the Pacific the very region behind the coup in Lazarus,

Seeing that soon after, Stujenske began a wave of banjection, possibly under the pretext of expanding his new found infamy. At the time he had waning influence that had obviously taken a hit with Harmonia being banjected.

In Conclusion, all SC#174 did was encourage Stujenske to further harm through his newfound infamy. We must stop this if we are to bring an end to this puppet filled and tyrannical rule

Illegal terminology...and I have doubts about whether one can refer to "banjection", too.
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Postby Canton Empire » Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:05 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Constie wrote:The Security Council,
Realizing that Stujenske is sitting and enjoying his new condemnation badge,

Wanting to make sure that this does not encourage him to further harm, such as banjecting natives of Lazarus,

Noting that when the outcome of the vote became irreversible, he banjected Harmonia one of the longest standing members of Lazarus,

Also noting that Krulltopia voted for "Condemn Stujenske" a nation whom is the Emperor of the Pacific the very region behind the coup in Lazarus,

Seeing that soon after, Stujenske began a wave of banjection, possibly under the pretext of expanding his new found infamy. At the time he had waning influence that had obviously taken a hit with Harmonia being banjected.

In Conclusion, all SC#174 did was encourage Stujenske to further harm through his newfound infamy. We must stop this if we are to bring an end to this puppet filled and tyrannical rule

Illegal terminology...and I have doubts about whether one can refer to "banjection", too.

You can't use pronouns?
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Postby Bears Armed » Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:07 am

Canton Empire wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:Illegal terminology...and I have doubts about whether one can refer to "banjection", too.

You can't use pronouns?

You're supposed to be talking about an entire nation, not [OOC] an indivdidual player.
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Postby Constie » Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:08 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Canton Empire wrote:You can't use pronouns?

You're supposed to be talking about an entire nation, not [OOC] an indivdidual player.

Ok, let me edit this

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Postby Arcturus Novus » Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:13 am

Constie wrote:The Security Council,
Realizing that Stujenske is sitting and enjoying his new condemnation badge,

Wanting to make sure that this does not encourage him to further harm, such as banjecting natives of Lazarus,

Noting that when the outcome of the vote became irreversible, he banjected Harmonia one of the longest standing members of Lazarus,

Also noting that Krulltopia voted for "Condemn Stujenske" a nation whom is the Emperor of the Pacific the very region behind the coup in Lazarus,

Seeing that soon after, Stujenske began a wave of banjection, possibly under the pretext of expanding his new found infamy. At the time he had waning influence that had obviously taken a hit with Harmonia being banjected.

In Conclusion, all SC#174 did was encourage Stujenske to further harm through his newfound infamy. We must stop this if we are to bring an end to this puppet filled and tyrannical rule

I don't think that repealing this condemnation is going to put the Lazarene government back into power.
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Postby Miris » Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:59 am

The Republic of Miris strongly opposes a repeal of SC174.

The Security Council exists, in part, to issue condemnations. Following the logic used in this draft, there would never be any purpose in passing such legislation ever again. Can a nation see a condemnation as a "badge of honor?" Perhaps. But one could make that argument every time, and thus render any SC condemnation useless by this logic.

This, however, is flawed logic.
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Postby Bears Armed » Sat Apr 18, 2015 6:00 am

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Canton Empire wrote:You can't use pronouns?

You're supposed to be talking about an entire nation, not [OOC] an indivdidual player.

Oh, and for the same reason the "whom" probably needs replacing too...
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Postby Elke and Elba » Sat Apr 18, 2015 7:32 am

I'm not sure if the author's taking any hints - submitted once and it got removed; submitted again and likely to be removed again.

Would the author kindly take heed of the supposed telegram sent by one of the mods informing as to why the proposal has been removed?
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Postby Constie » Sat Apr 18, 2015 7:39 am

Elke and Elba wrote:I'm not sure if the author's taking any hints - submitted once and it got removed; submitted again and likely to be removed again.

Would the author kindly take heed of the supposed telegram sent by one of the mods informing as to why the proposal has been removed?

I did, and I edited it according to their telegram. Thank you

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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Sat Apr 18, 2015 9:02 am

Constie wrote:
Elke and Elba wrote:I'm not sure if the author's taking any hints - submitted once and it got removed; submitted again and likely to be removed again.

Would the author kindly take heed of the supposed telegram sent by one of the mods informing as to why the proposal has been removed?

I did, and I edited it according to their telegram. Thank you

No you didn't, since it still violated Rule 4.
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Postby Sedgistan » Sat Apr 18, 2015 12:48 pm

Just to clarify a couple of points raised in the thread: "nation who/whom" is fine, as is "banjection".

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Postby Sainterre » Sat Apr 18, 2015 1:01 pm

The way I see it, giving or not giving Stujenske the badge itself does not affect necessarily his actions in regards to banning and ejecting. I just believe that it's the attention, which is exactly what you are doing by trying the repeal his condemnation.
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Postby CreepyCut » Sun Apr 26, 2015 12:25 pm

I don't see any point in repealing it as it probably wouldn't really make any difference to him. As the other delegates/nations have said, it'll only increase attention even further; why this proposal is slightly giving that effect.

Keep things as they are, for now.
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Sun Apr 26, 2015 12:28 pm

I still see at least two R4 violations.
Constie wrote:The Security Council,
Realizing that Stujenske is sitting and enjoying the new condemnation badge this nation has recived,

Wanting to make sure that this does not encourage Stujenske to further harm, such as banjecting natives of Lazarus,

Noting that when the outcome of the vote became irreversible, he banjected Harmonia one of the longest standing members of Lazarus,

Also noting that Krulltopia voted for "Condemn Stujenske" a nation whom is the Emperor of the Pacific the very region behind the coup in Lazarus,

Seeing that soon after, Stujenske began a wave of banjection, possibly under the pretext of expanding the new found infamy blowing around this tyrannical nation. At the time Stujenske had waning influence that had obviously taken a hit with Harmonia being banjected.

In Conclusion, all SC#174 did was encourage Stujenske to further harm through his newfound infamy. We must stop this if we are to bring an end to this puppet filled and tyrannical rule.
Because of this, the Security Council herby repeals SC#174 "Condemn Stujenske"
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Postby We Are Not the NSA » Sun Apr 26, 2015 4:07 pm

But Stujenske isn't the delegate of Lazarus anymore. He can't do any further harm or banject nations.

Also instead of
Also noting that Krulltopia voted for "Condemn Stujenske" a nation whom is the Emperor of the Pacific the very region behind the coup in Lazarus,

The proper (or at least better) grammatical phrasing would be:
Also noting that Krulltopia, the nation who is the Emperor of the Pacific, voted for "Condemn Stujenske",

[verb]ing that The Pacific is the very region behind the coup in Lazarus,

The sentence is clunky, and is much better separated.
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Postby Funkadelia » Sun Apr 26, 2015 4:20 pm

We Are Not the NSA wrote:But Stujenske isn't the delegate of Lazarus anymore. He can't do any further harm or banject nations.

You could repeal virtually any condemn or commend due to that idea.

The point is that we, as the world community, have condemned Stujenske for their horrific actions in Lazarus. Whether that nation enjoys it or not is irrelevant. The point of a resolution to condemn is to show that the world has an extreme disapproval of the actions taken by a particular nation or region.
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Postby We Are Not the NSA » Sun Apr 26, 2015 5:53 pm

Funkadelia wrote:
We Are Not the NSA wrote:But Stujenske isn't the delegate of Lazarus anymore. He can't do any further harm or banject nations.

You could repeal virtually any condemn or commend due to that idea.

The point is that we, as the world community, have condemned Stujenske for their horrific actions in Lazarus. Whether that nation enjoys it or not is irrelevant. The point of a resolution to condemn is to show that the world has an extreme disapproval of the actions taken by a particular nation or region.

That is what I meant. I was referring to :
Wanting to make sure that this does not encourage Stujenske to further harm, such as banjecting natives of Lazarus,

This is a terrible reason for repeal, because Stujenske is no longer in power. I'm not saying I support a repeal.
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