That's an even dumber statement as politicians don't simply represent voters, they are meant to represent their entire boarder.
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by Unified Heartless States » Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:52 am
by Dyakovo » Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:53 am
by Infected Mushroom » Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:54 am
Herrebrugh wrote:Valyrian Freeholds wrote:
This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
If you forfeit voting you also forfeit the right to complain about the government, or to criticise it because you didn't vote.
That's stupid. There are plenty of reasons not to vote. Just because you choose not to, doesn't mean you don't get to complain about what the government of your country does.
Though, "I won't vote because I'd rather game" is a pretty stupid reason...
by Unified Heartless States » Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:55 am
by Herrebrugh » Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:57 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:Herrebrugh wrote:
That's stupid. There are plenty of reasons not to vote. Just because you choose not to, doesn't mean you don't get to complain about what the government of your country does.
Though, "I won't vote because I'd rather game" is a pretty stupid reason...
no its a completely reasonably justified decision
its a much better use of your time utility-wise
by Ifreann » Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:57 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:Ifreann wrote:If meaning is deciding the course of national politics, then accomplishing things in video games is less meaningful than voting.
but voting will never allow you to personally decide the course of national politics
whether or not your one vote is in or out, it makes no difference in the ultimate determination
in a video game, you put in the work, you will get the results if you practice enough
by Infected Mushroom » Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:58 am
Herrebrugh wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
no its a completely reasonably justified decision
its a much better use of your time utility-wise
Voting doesn't take a lot of time and gives you more influence in your country than gaming does. So if you care about having influence in your country at all, voting is obviously the better option.
It's comparing apples to oranges, anyway...
by Herrebrugh » Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:59 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:Herrebrugh wrote:
Voting doesn't take a lot of time and gives you more influence in your country than gaming does. So if you care about having influence in your country at all, voting is obviously the better option.
It's comparing apples to oranges, anyway...
you are engaged in self-delusion if you think you have meaningful ''influence'' in choose to waste your time at the ballot box
by Infected Mushroom » Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:00 am
by Valyrian Freeholds » Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:02 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:Herrebrugh wrote:
Voting doesn't take a lot of time and gives you more influence in your country than gaming does. So if you care about having influence in your country at all, voting is obviously the better option.
It's comparing apples to oranges, anyway...
you are engaged in self-delusion if you think you have meaningful ''influence'' in choose to waste your time at the ballot box
by Dyakovo » Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:02 am
by Herrebrugh » Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:02 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:Herrebrugh wrote:
You haven't refuted anything I said, you know...
the token but ultimately empty ''influence'' that you exercise by voting when your vote decides nothing... is worth less than the utility and achievements that you can acquire by spending the time on video games instead
by Infected Mushroom » Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:03 am
Valyrian Freeholds wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
you are engaged in self-delusion if you think you have meaningful ''influence'' in choose to waste your time at the ballot box
You engage in self-delusion by thinking that achieving something on a little light box spewing pixels at you is meaningful. There's a lot of people in syria who can't vote AND can't play video games because their electrics have been bombed to hell and their leader is an undemocratic despot. You're clearly underachieving if you think playing video games can get you any sort of tangible achievement.
by Infected Mushroom » Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:04 am
Dyakovo wrote:Unified Heartless States wrote:Discussion requires at least two. . . Best not to forget your failures, else repeat them at a later date.
There's really nothing to discuss... This, like the rest of his threads, is just a blog for him to bitch about something has inconvenienced him in some fashion disguised with a moronic hypothetical so that it'll fly under the mod's radar.
I mean seriously, in this hypothetical you have to choose between giving up one of two "rights"... Of which, only one is actually a right.
by Herrebrugh » Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:04 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:Valyrian Freeholds wrote:
You engage in self-delusion by thinking that achieving something on a little light box spewing pixels at you is meaningful. There's a lot of people in syria who can't vote AND can't play video games because their electrics have been bombed to hell and their leader is an undemocratic despot. You're clearly underachieving if you think playing video games can get you any sort of tangible achievement.
achievements in many video games in ranked games is a very worthwhile achievement, it shows dedication, skill, and a capability for teamwork
whereas anyone can show up to cast a statistically insignificant vote, not everyone can achieve the same things in the games, its actually challenging yourself
by Valyrian Freeholds » Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:05 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:Valyrian Freeholds wrote:
You engage in self-delusion by thinking that achieving something on a little light box spewing pixels at you is meaningful. There's a lot of people in syria who can't vote AND can't play video games because their electrics have been bombed to hell and their leader is an undemocratic despot. You're clearly underachieving if you think playing video games can get you any sort of tangible achievement.
achievements in many video games in ranked games is a very worthwhile achievement, it shows dedication, skill, and a capability for teamwork
whereas anyone can show up to cast a statistically insignificant vote, not everyone can achieve the same things in the games, its actually challenging yourself
by Dyakovo » Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:05 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:Dyakovo wrote:There's really nothing to discuss... This, like the rest of his threads, is just a blog for him to bitch about something has inconvenienced him in some fashion disguised with a moronic hypothetical so that it'll fly under the mod's radar.
I mean seriously, in this hypothetical you have to choose between giving up one of two "rights"... Of which, only one is actually a right.
the two rights are different and distinct
I have explained this very clearly in the OP
by Infected Mushroom » Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:06 am
Herrebrugh wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
achievements in many video games in ranked games is a very worthwhile achievement, it shows dedication, skill, and a capability for teamwork
whereas anyone can show up to cast a statistically insignificant vote, not everyone can achieve the same things in the games, its actually challenging yourself
The point of voting isn't to "challenge yourself"...
by Socialist Tera » Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:06 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:Valyrian Freeholds wrote:
You engage in self-delusion by thinking that achieving something on a little light box spewing pixels at you is meaningful. There's a lot of people in syria who can't vote AND can't play video games because their electrics have been bombed to hell and their leader is an undemocratic despot. You're clearly underachieving if you think playing video games can get you any sort of tangible achievement.
achievements in many video games in ranked games is a very worthwhile achievement, it shows dedication, skill, and a capability for teamwork
whereas anyone can show up to cast a statistically insignificant vote, not everyone can achieve the same things in the games, its actually challenging yourself
by Herrebrugh » Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:07 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:Dyakovo wrote:There's really nothing to discuss... This, like the rest of his threads, is just a blog for him to bitch about something has inconvenienced him in some fashion disguised with a moronic hypothetical so that it'll fly under the mod's radar.
I mean seriously, in this hypothetical you have to choose between giving up one of two "rights"... Of which, only one is actually a right.
the two rights are different and distinct
I have explained this very clearly in the OP
by Infected Mushroom » Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:08 am
Socialist Tera wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
achievements in many video games in ranked games is a very worthwhile achievement, it shows dedication, skill, and a capability for teamwork
whereas anyone can show up to cast a statistically insignificant vote, not everyone can achieve the same things in the games, its actually challenging yourself
You can achieve those in sports and other activities. It is not exclusive to video games making video games worthless in context compared to vote.
by Infected Mushroom » Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:09 am
Herrebrugh wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
there is no point then since one vote doesn't make a difference and will in practice never decide a candidate, let alone policy
To "challenge yourself" isn't the only point something can have...Infected Mushroom wrote:
the two rights are different and distinct
I have explained this very clearly in the OP
Right... Which is why it's stupid to attempt to compare the two...
by Dyakovo » Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:09 am
by Herrebrugh » Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:09 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:Herrebrugh wrote:
To "challenge yourself" isn't the only point something can have...
Right... Which is why it's stupid to attempt to compare the two...
the two rights are distinct but when you put them in conflict (you can only choose one), it does make for a meaningful comparison
by Socialist Tera » Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:10 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:Socialist Tera wrote:You can achieve those in sports and other activities. It is not exclusive to video games making video games worthless in context compared to vote.
the availability of various avenues does nothing to undermine the value of one relatively effective avenue towards that desirable objective
voting on the other hand, isn't by any measure an effective way of achieving its stated objective for any given individual
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