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by Dyakovo » Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:45 pm
by Prezelly » Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:45 pm
by Yumyumsuppertime » Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:46 pm
by Othelos » Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:47 pm
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:Prezelly wrote:I don't know, maybe just as important to recognize that there is a national tree or national animal.
Yes, but having a national tree or national animal is simply a matter of symbolism, not belief. Having a national religion means that that religion is the very underpinning of one's society.
by Worldly Philosophers » Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:48 pm
by Prezelly » Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:48 pm
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:Prezelly wrote:I don't know, maybe just as important to recognize that there is a national tree or national animal.
Yes, but having a national tree or national animal is simply a matter of symbolism, not belief. Having a national religion means that that religion is the very underpinning of one's society.
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by Othelos » Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:52 pm
Prezelly wrote:Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Yes, but having a national tree or national animal is simply a matter of symbolism, not belief. Having a national religion means that that religion is the very underpinning of one's society.
Not really. A society doesn't have to be supported by it's majority religion. It just usually is, and if the point is that making it the national religion would set it up as such, I think it is safe to assume that it is already ingrained into many in the US
by Prezelly » Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:53 pm
Othelos wrote:Prezelly wrote:Not really. A society doesn't have to be supported by it's majority religion. It just usually is, and if the point is that making it the national religion would set it up as such, I think it is safe to assume that it is already ingrained into many in the US
But religion (more specifically christianity) is on the decline in the US, and it looks to continue that way. A third of millenials don't consider themselves christians, which is much higher than in older generations.
by Salandriagado » Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:56 pm
by Othelos » Wed Feb 25, 2015 6:02 pm
Prezelly wrote:Othelos wrote:But religion (more specifically christianity) is on the decline in the US, and it looks to continue that way. A third of millenials don't consider themselves christians, which is much higher than in older generations.
At the moment it is still the majority, and still ingrained in society. I'm not saying I support this, I'm saying it doesn't matter
by Prezelly » Wed Feb 25, 2015 6:03 pm
by Ostroeuropa » Wed Feb 25, 2015 6:05 pm
by Yumyumsuppertime » Wed Feb 25, 2015 6:11 pm
Prezelly wrote:Othelos wrote:But religion (more specifically christianity) is on the decline in the US, and it looks to continue that way. A third of millenials don't consider themselves christians, which is much higher than in older generations.
At the moment it is still the majority, and still ingrained in society. I'm not saying I support this, I'm saying it doesn't matter
by Prezelly » Wed Feb 25, 2015 6:13 pm
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:Prezelly wrote:At the moment it is still the majority, and still ingrained in society. I'm not saying I support this, I'm saying it doesn't matter
I think that in places like Sweden and England, where they've seen the results of religious oppression and warfare in an up-close and personal manner, state religions are tolerable due to the fact that nobody wants to make a big deal out of them, and the societies are heavily secular anyway. However, in America, we have groups of enormously influential religious conservatives who would take a state religion as an excuse to enforce all sorts of nonsense. They're already powerful enough. I don't want to give them another tool to use.
by Othelos » Wed Feb 25, 2015 6:18 pm
Prezelly wrote:Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
I think that in places like Sweden and England, where they've seen the results of religious oppression and warfare in an up-close and personal manner, state religions are tolerable due to the fact that nobody wants to make a big deal out of them, and the societies are heavily secular anyway. However, in America, we have groups of enormously influential religious conservatives who would take a state religion as an excuse to enforce all sorts of nonsense. They're already powerful enough. I don't want to give them another tool to use.
There is enough opposition to this that nothing drastic will happen, at least without consequence.
by Yumyumsuppertime » Wed Feb 25, 2015 6:18 pm
Prezelly wrote:Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
I think that in places like Sweden and England, where they've seen the results of religious oppression and warfare in an up-close and personal manner, state religions are tolerable due to the fact that nobody wants to make a big deal out of them, and the societies are heavily secular anyway. However, in America, we have groups of enormously influential religious conservatives who would take a state religion as an excuse to enforce all sorts of nonsense. They're already powerful enough. I don't want to give them another tool to use.
There is enough opposition to this that nothing drastic will happen, at least without consequence.
In today's society I find it unlikely that the US will fall into repression found like that in the old English and Swedish times
by Prezelly » Wed Feb 25, 2015 6:19 pm
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:Prezelly wrote:There is enough opposition to this that nothing drastic will happen, at least without consequence.
In today's society I find it unlikely that the US will fall into repression found like that in the old English and Swedish times
And yet it's not a fight we should have to have in the first place. A national religion would only serve to encourage them to reach even farther. I'm not sure that you're aware of just how influential the Dominionists are.
by Yumyumsuppertime » Wed Feb 25, 2015 6:32 pm
Prezelly wrote:Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
And yet it's not a fight we should have to have in the first place. A national religion would only serve to encourage them to reach even farther. I'm not sure that you're aware of just how influential the Dominionists are.
I am, but their opposition I believe is just as powerful
by Fera Insula » Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:13 pm
by Norstal » Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:19 pm
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:Pretty much what it says on the tin. In a poll by Public Policy Polling, and in response to the question "Would you support or oppose establishing Christianity as the national religion?" (Q17), 57% of Republicans interviewed stated that they supported this idea.
This strikes me as troubling. While it's no surprise that the GOP has leaned ever more right over the past few decades, and has pandered particularly to the religious right during that period of time in a mad scramble for votes, I find it disturbing that a majority of people in the party are so openly disdainful of the Constitution. Previously, the rhetoric was at least hidden behind a veil of "We respect everyone's right to believe as they wish". Now it's more of a "If you're not all about Jesus, then you're not really an American".
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by Salus Maior » Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:40 pm
by Russels Orbiting Teapot » Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:55 pm
Fera Insula wrote:Had this been proposed back in the 1700s maybe this would of been a good idea. It would of been a way to unite the peoples, them being mainly Christian Protestants, the problem with it now is that America is much to diverse. Not everyone is Christian, and not every Christian sect is in agreement with one another. Placing a national religion will only divide the nation not unite it.
by Norstal » Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:04 pm
Russels Orbiting Teapot wrote:Fera Insula wrote:Had this been proposed back in the 1700s maybe this would of been a good idea. It would of been a way to unite the peoples, them being mainly Christian Protestants, the problem with it now is that America is much to diverse. Not everyone is Christian, and not every Christian sect is in agreement with one another. Placing a national religion will only divide the nation not unite it.
In the 1700s this would have led to riots and church burnings.
It was the fear of those things that led the founders to write the first amendment as they did.
Read a history book.
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