Ban the Burqa?

[Galloism]

Bullshit. I'm not pro-Islam in any way, but why the hell should the government be able to tell me what to wear?

They force you to wear pants.

Fascists!

[Benuty]

Here's another fundamental difference between Islam and Christianity - Muslims say that Christ was a prophet, but Christians and many Jews say that Christ is the Messiah. Since Christians also say that Christ is one with God in the Trinity, and Muslims say that Christ is a mere prophet, we truthfully do not worship the same God.

Uh, no.
Yes you do worship the same god, Christ has nothing to do with it. Your logic makes no sense.

Sans the whole Trinitarian Christian deity issue.

[The Confederacy of Nationalism]

Not Muslims, Europeans. Europeans are scared of Freedom of Expression.

That's not it at all. With the negatives of the swastika and our history, I see no problem that we banned it from being used or displayed. Don't compare that with the ban on the burqa. Not the same.

Banning swastikas still violates the individual's right to express themselves however they choose. A fascist is still a person.

[Galloism]

...

Even if that were true, which would require significant proof, I'm not sure how that's connected with World War 2.

Wars, it's connected with wars. Europe has seen so many devastating wars, people are willing to give up their freedoms for safety and protection from war and fascism.

Didn't the last major western European conflict end almost 70 years ago?

[Archeuland and Baughistan]

If the nations of Europe only returned to their Christian roots...they could unite to restore the gospel that is being subverted by the tyrannical European Union, and the looming threat of ISIS.

You are ignorant of Europe, the EU, and European history.
I'm shocked, SHOCKED I say.

We need to restore Europe to its Crusade-era boundaries, adding in a few restored kingdoms, like King Cnut's kingdom, as well as the Holy Roman Empire at its extent. Then there's Constantine's domain, minus a separate Byzantine Empire, a Frankish Kingdom ruled by Charlemagne's ancestors (which probably no longer even exist), and so on. Minus a corrupt Catholic Church, adding in a Protestant/Catholic/Orthodox church headquartered not in Rome, but in Jerusalem and Constantinople.

These Christian countries could make a very peaceful Europe, and be strong against invasions from ISIS.

[The Confederacy of Nationalism]

Wars, it's connected with wars. Europe has seen so many devastating wars, people are willing to give up their freedoms for safety and protection from war and fascism.

Didn't the last major western European conflict end almost 70 years ago?

Yes, that was WW2, if you were wondering.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

That's not it at all. With the negatives of the swastika and our history, I see no problem that we banned it from being used or displayed. Don't compare that with the ban on the burqa. Not the same.

Banning swastikas still violates the individual's right to express themselves however they choose. A fascist is still a person.

Why would anyone want to express themselves using a swastika unless they're Buddhist or hinduist?

[Sebastianbourg]

We're not scared of freedom of expression; we're scared of crazy immigrants and because of our paranoia that extends to most non-Western European or non-Anglophone immigrants.

how about eastern Europeans?

The anti-immigration politicians here tend to be Eurosceptic and especially critical of immigration from Eastern Europe.

[Pan-America under the United States]

If the nations of Europe only returned to their Christian roots...they could unite to restore the gospel that is being subverted by the tyrannical European Union, and the looming threat of ISIS.

If they "returned to their "Christian roots", they'd be burning people at the stake and imprisoning people for not believing what they believe. That's their "Christian roots."

[Jamjai]

That's not it at all. With the negatives of the swastika and our history, I see no problem that we banned it from being used or displayed. Don't compare that with the ban on the burqa. Not the same.

Banning swastikas still violates the individual's right to express themselves however they choose. A fascist is still a person.

Hinduism is related to swastikas

[Galloism]

You are ignorant of Europe, the EU, and European history.
I'm shocked, SHOCKED I say.

We need to restore Europe to its Crusade-era boundaries, adding in a few restored kingdoms, like King Cnut's kingdom, as well as the Holy Roman Empire at its extent. Then there's Constantine's domain, minus a separate Byzantine Empire, a Frankish Kingdom ruled by Charlemagne's ancestors (which probably no longer even exist), and so on. Minus a corrupt Catholic Church, adding in a Protestant/Catholic/Orthodox church headquartered not in Rome, but in Jerusalem and Constantinople.

These Christian countries could make a very peaceful Europe, and be strong against invasions from ISIS.

Ok, I actually laughed out loud.

We need to figure out a way to get A&B and Infected Mushrooms arguing against each other.

[The Confederacy of Nationalism]

Banning swastikas still violates the individual's right to express themselves however they choose. A fascist is still a person.

Why would anyone want to express themselves using a swastika unless they're Buddhist or hinduist?

Maybe neo-nazis? They have terrible beliefs, but that doesn't make it alright to oppress them.

[Archeuland and Baughistan]

If the nations of Europe only returned to their Christian roots...they could unite to restore the gospel that is being subverted by the tyrannical European Union, and the looming threat of ISIS.

If they "returned to their "Christian roots", they'd be burning people at the stake and imprisoning people for not believing what they believe. That's their "Christian roots."

Well, that's one interpretation of history. An interesting tale indeed.

[All Natural France]

You are ignorant of Europe, the EU, and European history.
I'm shocked, SHOCKED I say.

We need to restore Europe to its Crusade-era boundaries, adding in a few restored kingdoms, like King Cnut's kingdom, as well as the Holy Roman Empire at its extent. Then there's Constantine's domain, minus a separate Byzantine Empire, a Frankish Kingdom ruled by Charlemagne's ancestors (which probably no longer even exist), and so on. Minus a corrupt Catholic Church, adding in a Protestant/Catholic/Orthodox church headquartered not in Rome, but in Jerusalem and Constantinople.

These Christian countries could make a very peaceful Europe, and be strong against invasions from ISIS.

The Underlined is bullshit
The Italicized is never going to happen
The Bolded is more bullshit
The Shrinked text is even more bullshit.
All in all: Argument -10/10

[Sebastianbourg]

That's not it at all. With the negatives of the swastika and our history, I see no problem that we banned it from being used or displayed. Don't compare that with the ban on the burqa. Not the same.

Banning swastikas still violates the individual's right to express themselves however they choose. A fascist is still a person.

National Socialists (German or Austrian fascists) identify with the swastika but other fascists don't (and they aren't necessarily racist).

[Galloism]

Didn't the last major western European conflict end almost 70 years ago?

Yes, that was WW2, if you were wondering.

So the vast majority of the population has never been through a major western european conflict?

[Genivaria]

You are ignorant of Europe, the EU, and European history.
I'm shocked, SHOCKED I say.

We need to restore Europe to its Crusade-era boundaries, adding in a few restored kingdoms, like King Cnut's kingdom, as well as the Holy Roman Empire at its extent. Then there's Constantine's domain, minus a separate Byzantine Empire, a Frankish Kingdom ruled by Charlemagne's ancestors (which probably no longer even exist), and so on. Minus a corrupt Catholic Church, adding in a Protestant/Catholic/Orthodox church headquartered not in Rome, but in Jerusalem and Constantinople.

These Christian countries could make a very peaceful Europe, and be strong against invasions from ISIS.

The level of ignorance is hilarious.

[Ethel mermania]

Wars, it's connected with wars. Europe has seen so many devastating wars, people are willing to give up their freedoms for safety and protection from war and fascism.

Didn't the last major western European conflict end almost 70 years ago?

It pretty much defines the widead acceptance of the eu. If they are bound together politically, they won't war.

[Pan-America under the United States]

You are ignorant of Europe, the EU, and European history.
I'm shocked, SHOCKED I say.

We need to restore Europe to its Crusade-era boundaries, adding in a few restored kingdoms, like King Cnut's kingdom, as well as the Holy Roman Empire at its extent. Then there's Constantine's domain, minus a separate Byzantine Empire, a Frankish Kingdom ruled by Charlemagne's ancestors (which probably no longer even exist), and so on. Minus a corrupt Catholic Church, adding in a Protestant/Catholic/Orthodox church headquartered not in Rome, but in Jerusalem and Constantinople.

These Christian countries could make a very peaceful Europe, and be strong against invasions from ISIS.

"Charlemagne's ancestors (which probably no longer even exist)"

Most people on Earth are descended from Charlemagne, you dunce.

Do you REALLY think that anyone wants to fight ISIS because they're "Muslims"? People want to fight ISIS because they're slaughtering people. Uniting "Christian kingdoms" wouldn't change that fact. It would just give it an idiotic reason to do so.

[The Confederacy of Nationalism]

Banning swastikas still violates the individual's right to express themselves however they choose. A fascist is still a person.

National Socialists (German or Austrian fascists) identify with the swastika but other fascists don't (and they aren't necessarily racist).

I'm aware.

[Genivaria]

Didn't the last major western European conflict end almost 70 years ago?

It pretty much defines the widead acceptance of the eu. If they are bound together politically, they won't war.

That IS one of the big arguments actually.
At the very least tieing their fates together means that war becomes counter-productive for everyone involved.

[Ethel mermania]

They force you to wear pants.

Fascists!

I agree, a pantsless society is best society.

[The Confederacy of Nationalism]

Yes, that was WW2, if you were wondering.

So the vast majority of the population has never been through a major western european conflict?

Yes. Just because they haven't experienced it, doesn't mean they want to.

[All Natural France]

You are ignorant of Europe, the EU, and European history.
I'm shocked, SHOCKED I say.

strong against invasions from ISIS.

Europe is not under invasion of ISIS. Realize that. From that, I'm dis-including Turkey.

[Galloism]

So the vast majority of the population has never been through a major western european conflict?

Yes. Just because they haven't experienced it, doesn't mean they want to.

Just saying it would be silly for people to be deathly afraid of something that hasn't happened the entire time they've been alive.

That would be like me... hmm... uh... hmm.. uh..., oh yes... nope.

Ok, if something had never happened during my lifetime, I would probably not be afraid of it.