Ban the Burqa?

[Ardoki]

Well, none of them actually exist. However you all do worship the same imaginary deity, even though you refuse to believe that.

We don't that. While I don't affiliate with Archeuland's position, we don't know if he really does exist.

If you cannot prove something exists, it is by default non-existant.

For example we cannot prove that a flute-playing hippopotamus does not lives on Mercury. But we have no reason and evidence to believe one does, therefore we by default refuse to recognise its existence.

[Genivaria]

Please recognize that not all of us recognize the same god. What I worship is something that could be considered different based on appearance, guidelines, etc; that doesn't mean I worship the same god as Archeuland, or a Jew, or a Muslim.

Christians, Jews and Muslims worship the exact same god. It is clearly in their texts, the Bible is built from the Torah, the Koran is built from the Bible. They are extensions of the previous religion.

Can you provide evidence to back up your claim that they do not?

The fact that he doesn't recognize this shows that not only is he ignorant of Islam and Judaism, he's ignorant of his own religion as well.

[All Natural France]

Please recognize that not all of us recognize the same god. What I worship is something that could be considered different based on appearance, guidelines, etc; that doesn't mean I worship the same god as Archeuland, or a Jew, or a Muslim.

Christians, Jews and Muslims worship the exact same god. It is clearly in their texts, the Bible is built from the Torah, the Koran is built from the Bible. They are extensions of the previous religion.

Can you provide evidence to back up your claim that they do not?

No, as I simply can't believe the stories or moral beliefs of any such Jewish, Christian, or Muslim Holy Books. As my signature says, I'm agnostic. I do believe there is a god, but I don't think that it's refutable to even say that the bible is accurate to detail the World's History or the beliefs of a Christian.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Guys, you're about to turn this into an Atheism vs Theism thread, and I don't appreciate that.

This was a good "Rag on the French Government" thread, and you guys are ruining it.

I was going to add something but meh, there's no point. As soon as A&B comes in, it will turn into a clusterfuck of theism vs atheism.

[Ardoki]

Christians, Jews and Muslims worship the exact same god. It is clearly in their texts, the Bible is built from the Torah, the Koran is built from the Bible. They are extensions of the previous religion.

Can you provide evidence to back up your claim that they do not?

The fact that he doesn't recognize this shows that not only is he ignorant of Islam and Judaism, he's ignorant of his own religion as well.

Yes.

While they disagree on some issues (e.g. the Jews believe Jesus was a fraud, the Muslims believe he was a prophet, and the Christians believe he was the messiah), they all technically worship the same god, and agree on most things.

[Genivaria]

Guys, you're about to turn this into an Atheism vs Theism thread, and I don't appreciate that.

This was a good "Rag on the French Government" thread, and you guys are ruining it.

Ken Ham feels the need to make everything the fault of the evil secularists in every thread.
Perhaps he should actually make his own instead of de-railing others.

[Archeuland and Baughistan]

I have no issue with meeting a Muslim, but my goal will be to teach them about Christ, not to embrace their prophet's teachings.

How about you just leave them alone and let them believe whatever they want?

Why do they have to do it in my nation? Why can't they have their burqas, Sharia law, and mosques in a nominally Islamic country instead? Why America? Why Europe? I see it as a sort of 'population jihad', if you will. They move into countries, increase in numbers, and work their way up, eventually creating an Islamic jihadist state. That is what France is headed towards now. That is what Europe as a whole, and Britain, is headed towards now. Total Islamic rule.

It's not a good thing. It's a sign that we've let down on our Christian morality, and that Christendom is losing authority in Europe. The secular vacuum created by the EU's totalitarianism will allow Islam to sweep in and seize control. I suspect that will happen within the next fifty years.

[Jamjai]

Muslims accept Jesus and the other prophets
Do u accept our prophet?

Here's another fundamental difference between Islam and Christianity - Muslims say that Christ was a prophet, but Christians and many Jews say that Christ is the Messiah. Since Christians also say that Christ is one with God in the Trinity, and Muslims say that Christ is a mere prophet, we truthfully do not worship the same God.

yea, so what Jesus is the leader of Christianity, Moses is leader of the Jewish and our prophet is the leader of the muslims

[Sebastianbourg]

Christians, Jews and Muslims worship the exact same god. It is clearly in their texts, the Bible is built from the Torah, the Koran is built from the Bible. They are extensions of the previous religion.

Can you provide evidence to back up your claim that they do not?

No, as I simply can't believe the stories or moral beliefs of any such Jewish, Christian, or Muslim Holy Books. As my signature says, I'm agnostic. I do believe there is a god, but I don't think that it's refutable to even say that the bible is accurate to detail the World's History or the beliefs of a Christian.

Oh, we're both theistic agnostics then.

[All Natural France]

We don't that. While I don't affiliate with Archeuland's position, we don't know if he really does exist.

If you cannot prove something exists, it is by default non-existant.

For example we cannot prove that a flute-playing hippopotamus does not lives on Mercury. But we have no reason and evidence to believe one does, therefore we by default refuse to recognise its existence.

Such thing as speculation exists. Again, I don't claim to know what exactly would be the morals, the belief, or even what god is, but I can have my own speculative that it is a Christian God without the morals or the lessons or any such unnecessary things written in the bible.

[Genivaria]

How about you just leave them alone and let them believe whatever they want?

Why do they have to do it in my nation? Why can't they have their burqas, Sharia law, and mosques in a nominally Islamic country instead? Why America? Why Europe? I see it as a sort of 'population jihad', if you will. They move into countries, increase in numbers, and work their way up, eventually creating an Islamic jihadist state. That is what France is headed towards now. That is what Europe as a whole, and Britain, is headed towards now. Total Islamic rule.

It's not a good thing. It's a sign that we've let down on our Christian morality, and that Christendom is losing authority in Europe. The secular vacuum created by the EU's totalitarianism will allow Islam to sweep in and seize control. I suspect that will happen within the next fifty years.

There's so much wrong with this post it's sad.

[The Confederacy of Nationalism]

Christians, Jews and Muslims worship the exact same god. It is clearly in their texts, the Bible is built from the Torah, the Koran is built from the Bible. They are extensions of the previous religion.

Can you provide evidence to back up your claim that they do not?

No, as I simply can't believe the stories or moral beliefs of any such Jewish, Christian, or Muslim Holy Books. As my signature says, I'm agnostic. I do believe there is a god, but I don't think that it's refutable to even say that the bible is accurate to detail the World's History or the beliefs of a Christian.

Not entirely what agnostic means. Are you a theist, but do you believe that no human can claim to know and explain who or what God is? That's different.

[All Natural France]

Guys, you're about to turn this into an Atheism vs Theism thread, and I don't appreciate that.

This was a good "Rag on the French Government" thread, and you guys are ruining it.

I was going to add something but meh, there's no point. As soon as A&B comes in, it will turn into a clusterfuck of theism vs atheism.

Creepoc Infinite needs come come here

[Archeuland and Baughistan]

The fact that he doesn't recognize this shows that not only is he ignorant of Islam and Judaism, he's ignorant of his own religion as well.

Yes.

While they disagree on some issues (e.g. the Jews believe Jesus was a fraud, the Muslims believe he was a prophet, and the Christians believe he was the messiah), they all technically worship the same god, and agree on most things.

You're free to believe in pluralism, but I do not, and neither do millions of others who would prefer to live in Christian countries without mosques or burqas.

[Galloism]

Why do they have to do it in my nation? Why can't they have their burqas, Sharia law, and mosques in a nominally Islamic country instead? Why America? Why Europe? I see it as a sort of 'population jihad', if you will. They move into countries, increase in numbers, and work their way up, eventually creating an Islamic jihadist state. That is what France is headed towards now. That is what Europe as a whole, and Britain, is headed towards now. Total Islamic rule.

It's not a good thing. It's a sign that we've let down on our Christian morality, and that Christendom is losing authority in Europe. The secular vacuum created by the EU's totalitarianism will allow Islam to sweep in and seize control. I suspect that will happen within the next fifty years.

There's so much wrong with this post it's sad.

Does this mean I can ask him to leave my secular country and go somewhere else with a Christian theocracy?

[Pan-America under the United States]

How about you just leave them alone and let them believe whatever they want?

Why do they have to do it in my nation? Why can't they have their burqas, Sharia law, and mosques in a nominally Islamic country instead? Why America? Why Europe? I see it as a sort of 'population jihad', if you will. They move into countries, increase in numbers, and work their way up, eventually creating an Islamic jihadist state. That is what France is headed towards now. That is what Europe as a whole, and Britain, is headed towards now. Total Islamic rule.

It's not a good thing. It's a sign that we've let down on our Christian morality, and that Christendom is losing authority in Europe. The secular vacuum created by the EU's totalitarianism will allow Islam to sweep in and seize control. I suspect that will happen within the next fifty years.

I'm sure a lot of the things people believed in the 60's about today didn't happen.

Christian morality? Are you implying that anyone who isn't a Christian doesn't have "morality"?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I was going to add something but meh, there's no point. As soon as A&B comes in, it will turn into a clusterfuck of theism vs atheism.

Creepoc Infinite needs come come here

Opposition clusterfuck is still a clusterfuck.

[Genivaria]

Yes.

While they disagree on some issues (e.g. the Jews believe Jesus was a fraud, the Muslims believe he was a prophet, and the Christians believe he was the messiah), they all technically worship the same god, and agree on most things.

You're free to believe in pluralism, but I do not, and neither do millions of others who would prefer to live in Christian countries without mosques or burqas.

Bye.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_City

[Sebastianbourg]

There's so much wrong with this post it's sad.

Does this mean I can ask him to leave my secular country and go somewhere else with a Christian theocracy?

I think he's Protestant and I don't think there's a Protestant theocracy out there.

[All Natural France]

No, as I simply can't believe the stories or moral beliefs of any such Jewish, Christian, or Muslim Holy Books. As my signature says, I'm agnostic. I do believe there is a god, but I don't think that it's refutable to even say that the bible is accurate to detail the World's History or the beliefs of a Christian.

Not entirely what agnostic means. Are you a theist, but do you believe that no human can claim to know and explain who or what God is? That's different.

Actually yes, I would believe that a human can claim to know god, but there are so many various ways that it can be proven and disproven that there's no one infinite way of actually proving or explaining god. Explain all he wants, claim all he wants, doesn't make him right.

[Ardoki]

Yes.

While they disagree on some issues (e.g. the Jews believe Jesus was a fraud, the Muslims believe he was a prophet, and the Christians believe he was the messiah), they all technically worship the same god, and agree on most things.

You're free to believe in pluralism, but I do not, and neither do millions of others who would prefer to live in Christian countries without mosques or burqas.

I personally believe that the state should encourage the adoption of atheism, and enact policies to destroy religion. However that is just my opinion.

[The Confederacy of Nationalism]

Yes.

While they disagree on some issues (e.g. the Jews believe Jesus was a fraud, the Muslims believe he was a prophet, and the Christians believe he was the messiah), they all technically worship the same god, and agree on most things.

You're free to believe in pluralism, but I do not, and neither do millions of others who would prefer to live in Christian countries without mosques or burqas.

Well, this tolerant and secular forum doesn't want to live with your fundamental Christian beliefs.

[Galloism]

Does this mean I can ask him to leave my secular country and go somewhere else with a Christian theocracy?

I think he's protestant and I don't think there's a protestant theocracy out there.

Yeah, but I live in a secular country and I want that sort of religious oppressive nonsense out of here.

I say we build them an island.

[Sebastianbourg]

You're free to believe in pluralism, but I do not, and neither do millions of others who would prefer to live in Christian countries without mosques or burqas.

I personally believe that the state should encourage the adoption of atheism, and enact policies to destroy religion. However that is just my opinion.

Mate, laïcité is stupendous but state atheism is not.

[Genivaria]

Does this mean I can ask him to leave my secular country and go somewhere else with a Christian theocracy?

I think he's Protestant and I don't think there's a Protestant theocracy out there.

He's specifically a Dominionist.
Which is pretty much against the original values of Protestantism.

Freedom of Religion is pretty much anathema to him.